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Let me reconsider that statement. He will likely come back in the event BD gets off to a hot start and starts winning games.

Not sure he’s coming back.

Somewhere in between?

No inkling at all but they handed track over to an assistant and haven’t skipped a beat.

95% of em. Nothing lower than 4A really grabs my attention.

Yep. The clock was your best friend and your running back was averaging nearly 7 yards per carry.

I mean I guess you could day so, but needing to bleed the clock late in the game with a two possession lead deep in your own territory and then throwing it at the best cornerback in the state in the process is next level overthinking.

Your pause on LN is warranted. They have a had a lot of D1 talent roll through there recently and have little to show for it. I just have a hunch that they may break through this year. This sorta surprised me when I was digging for my preseason top 50… LN has won 3 straight against Warren and has split with BD the last 4 times.

Coaching overthinking got in the way. They had BD on the ropes.

Nah, I’ll continue to call out ignorance when I see it. You are an angry old man Bash…you haven’t always been that way. You good? NC is the outlier here as Warren, Carmel and BD (along with Penn which really hurts your argument) have been up there at the top forever. Also, this thread has now reached 8 pages with me doing most of the talking. Eric Moore and Center Grove have built an amazing program from top to bottom and deserve all of the kudos in the world. Happy now? When you gonna answer @Rodney’s question about Saban?

I love when you clock in, skip pages of information and respond emotionally with the same rhetoric. I’ve discussed NC multiple times. Where’s K-Mart?

I do too, for a 6A south semi state school…not so much for a northern one.

Once again, agree on all accounts.

So everyone in 5A is now a Cathedral fan, lol?

Let me also add while I am thinking about it…another 6A program I am buying big time right now is Lawrence North… Love what Mallory is building there. I don’t fancy them a state title contender as of now but think they could end up as the sectional 5 favorite by October.

Wow, well thought out and I actually think I agree completely. How many chances does Brownsburg get? Is it/should it be state finals or bust for the Carmel coaching staff? Big seasons lie ahead for the trajectory of these two programs. I think most other programs you mentioned can sell their administration/fanbases on an upward trajectory.

Just hand him the magic CG binder and he’d be winning titles almost instantly.

Still speaking in black and white about enrollment I see. I have been outspoken that the Carmel coaching staff is on the hot seat this fall in my opinion. I’ve also stated that there is eventually a point of diminishing returns when it comes to enrollment. Carmel has roughly 2500 boys in its school, 250+ are involved in either cross country or swimming, another 100 non/football players run track. I spoke on here recently that they may actually have the opposite problem as the other mega schools. At last check, their FRL numbers was around 9 percent and with suburban mom’s shying away from football, that may actually hurt them. No sympathy though. They should be better. If I were offered any head coaching job in 6A right now but had to start from scratch, gimme Brownsburg…no excuse for them. Growing enrollment, buy in, great facilities and a free/reduced rate just under 30 percent. PERFECT for a football powerhouse.

The SES data is readily available on the DOE’s website so yes, I know. Also, I’ve lived it. Warren in 2005 is akin to where Avon and Franklin Central are now. It’s simple urban sprawl/white flight. Look, when 9 of the top 10 schools in the state finals of a particular sport are affluent/suburban schools, you’ve chosen the outlier. It does not mean that the trend is untrue. The gap in enrollment from the suburban schools has narrowed tremendously over the last decade. The top 4 Indy schools used to boast much larger margins as only about a half dozen schools were over 3000 students. That number has doubled and the gap on the field has also narrowed. Taking nothing away from West but he’s had three years at FC…by his third year at his previous stop he already had a title and was averaging 10 wins per year. If he has great coaches and development programs, what’s taking so long? Spoiler: Warren’s enrollment was the difference. He will win there but it will take time.

True, maybe higher. Pretty much everyone wins at Warren, Carmel and BD.

Because they are poorer than they have ever been. When Warren was winning those titles in the mid 2000s, they were under 60 percent (maybe even sub 50) free and reduced. Two things can be true at the same time. Why has Jayson West not had the immediate success at FC that he had at Warren? Don’t get me wrong, the Flashes are clearly on the rise but the guy with two state titles at his previous stops is 11-19 in 3 years. Check his Twitter…they are seeing never before seen numbers at the elementary and middle school levels. He was 28-10 in his first three years at Warren…did he forget how to coach? Same reasons outlined in this thread multiple times when talking about any sport.

Just made it personal because your responses are predictable. No one is disputing the first sentence of your second paragraph, just the extent to which it matters. After all, football is a classed sport, so those that matter believe it matters a whole hell of a lot.

For the last time, yes it’s more than enrollment, no one is claiming otherwise. Washington Township is still one of the more affluent areas of Marion County and is still a power in many country club sports (tennis, swimming, cross country). Their affluence lends itself to those sports at an early age. Their basketball program has been top notch for 2+ decades and it has always seemed to me that their focus and consistency there (Doug Mitchell was a legend) allowed them to thrive on the hardwood. I do remember speaking to some folks in the know during Mitchell’s tenure that claimed he was not a big multi-sport guy and discouraged his basketball players from playing football so there is also that.

Sorta. This ties into my huge enrollment advantage for the 3500+ schools. BD at 4500 with 85% FRL looks much different than Arsenal Tech at 2500 with 85% FRL. BD’s enrollment allows them to negate their disadvantage to an extent…Arsenal Tech’s doesn’t. The Titans are 6A in name only.