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Is there a place where I can find all-time Sagarin ratings or a listing of the best teams ever?

Misread your question…yes. BD with 5 D1 kids and 5 more D2/D3 kids is better than Penn with 10 D2/D3 kids in this hypothetical scenario.

No, because BD likely has 5 more D2/D3 kids also.

Technically Powlus III was a D1 guy right? Warren has never lost in the football state championship game.

Partially. You should see a MIC head coaches’ “teaching schedule.” You are falling into the “black and white trap” my friend. There is a little bit of truth in what everyone in this thread is claiming, just a disagreement about the weight of weight variable. You and I place a higher priority on enrollment, others don’t. Doesn’t mean they are in denial. Don’t get frustrated. I’ve been trying to open folks’ eyes on here to the emphasis of socioeconomics for years…and it continues to fall on deaf ears.

I can get on board with this…sorta.

Warren’s Damien Shanklin to LSU.

O’Shea had it rolling at NC for a couple of years and the COVID seemed to kill all their momentum.

I wanna go back to the good vs great coach argument using North Central as an example. Luck your chops on this one @Bash Riprock… Rick Streiff: 21-23 at North Central Rick Streiff: 98-41 at Cathedral Kevin O’Shea: 25-37 at North Central Kevin O’Shea: 104-8 at LCC

The state runner up finish in 96 was a down year huh, lol?

Can’t disagree with any of this. You know where I stand.

Pretty solid stuff here @Bash Riprock assuming I am allowed to respond. Just one caveat though…how many of those runner up squads you cited were even close in the title game? We all know that more often than not, the true 6A state title game takes place WELL before Thanksgiving weekend.

I’m not even necessarily talking state titles, simply on the field regular season eye test and boxscores. Let’s simply use Brownsburg and Ben Davis for the sake of example. They have played 11 times starting in 2007 according to Harrell. Brownsburg is 5-6 in those meetings. The first three of those meetings were between 2007-2011 and Brownsburg was 0-3, losing by an average of 3 touchdowns per game. They have played 8 times since 2016 and Brownsburg has absolutely exploded in enrollment over the past decade. The Bulldogs are 5-3 (should be 6-2, lol) in those last 8. Your last statement is absolutely true and it has already started but Ben Davis couldn’t even find Brownsburg on a map in the 1990s/early 2000s. Never. Huge Russ fan.

I think you just inadvertently proved his point. Most of those other 10 schools have also “caught up” on the field, no?

1. Rando tweeting a high school coach giving advice on scheduling? 2. BD still needs to remain humble as you said yourself they suffered a lot of graduation losses. I like the out of state contests just as much as anyone but there are plenty of worthy opponents for the Giants in central Indiana.

By my calculations, Moore is a combined 34-32 (.515) against BD/Warren in his tenure. Seems like his numbers make sense… Now, BD and Warren have had multiple coaches in that time frame so I guess the next thing to do is debate the words “good vs great?” CG was largely unsuccessful against BD and Warren more often than not in the 2000s but the tide has turned.

Eh, we are finding some common ground with some on here, the only disagreement lies in what percentage of a team’s success lies in its enrollment figures.

I’ll give you that but that’s only part of the equation. In a pool of 300 players (school of 4000) while you might not always boast top level D1 talent (which is sort of laughable, I agree), you’ll always have enough depth and talent to compete and be a top 20 team. The record might not be impressive but that’s due to the schedule. Even BD/Warren’s least talented teams would win all but 2-3 other conferences in the state of Indiana…and that may be an aggressive prediction.

I think I tend to agree but am too lazy to research examples. Do you have any examples of coaches that were deemed “average” at a mega school who consistently defeated coaches that were considered “great” at 2000 students off hand?

To an extent. Talent drying up at a place of 4000+ is not the same as having cyclical talent at a school of 2500. Yes, CG is the outlier here but when you have 250-300+ kids out for football, you can ease the pain of graduation losses a bit easier. I harped on that 3-7 BD squad but they were likely still a top 20-25 team even in that “down year”…they just played a schedule that did them no favors. That’s a luxury.

Wasn’t BD 3-7 just a few years ago? Simmons’ 31-28 record was discussed above. Let’s pump the brakes on the “we’re too good for everybody” talk eh? So, how WOULD Nick Saban fare at Edinburgh?

Joe sticking it out for now…lol. Vivek has been spot on since day 1.

“Project 2025” has suddenly become the left’s new boogeyman… (The only problem is that DJT has not endorsed it nor does his name appear anywhere on the 900+ page document.) 2nd and 99 from the 1 yard line for the Democrats.

Nick Saban at Edinburgh, let’s do this.

It’s a PUBLIC forum, lol. If you wanna have a private spat and have your opinions raise above scrutiny, there is a function on the very board for that. You used the word “benefit.” I’ll count that as progress.