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24 minutes ago, Jon said:

Only senior are eligible for mr football so to me that implies body of work over their Indiana high school career.

What if a player moves in to the state his senior year and dominates?

25 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

IMO, it's a lifetime achievement award more than a single season, and I don't think that's all bad.  Lots of quality talent in the state, especially in the Indy Metro area.

I agree on the talent but like the Heisman Trophy, I believe it should be a single season award, hence the reason it is given annually and the year is in front of the “Mr. Football” title.

21 minutes ago, DE said:

The price doesn’t bother me. I’d just want to make sure that all the fans of each school had the chance to watch it in person before I purchased my ticket. 

Once you factor in parking, food, etc you are over $200.

IHSAAtv it is for this guy.

No thanks.

First to 40 wins.

3 minutes ago, Trojan said:

Maybe things at Danville and elsewhere are different, but I'm sure the current Chatard seniors remember well what happened in 8th grade and freshmen year.  They were probably all at those games.

 

My senior year we beat HH in semi-state, and we absolutely remembered our freshmen year losing to them.  It was brought up often.  Hell, there were even seniors who's brothers had had their hs football career ended by HH that they remembered.  Same thing my junior year when we beat Cincy Elder.  They were the only loss my 8th grade year for Chatard.  History matters and even if these kids were young, they understand that they are part of something bigger than themselves.

 

Can't wait to see redemption.  

So based on your experience are you going to “play harder?”  It’s the state championship for goodness sake.

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

You enjoy bringing up the Homestead/Noblesville game in 2019. Homestead was bored to tears that game. In the players mind, they were traveling two hours to play a "nobody", and it showed in their performance. They were mentally unprepared for what Noblesville brought to the table. They came back the next week and outplayed Carmel for a half without their best player. Carmel's depth was too much to overcome in the end. 

I agree, there is a gap between the SAC and the HCC, I'm just not sure how big it is. This isn't the 90's anymore. Yes, there was a time that the SAC would have cleaned the HCC's clock. But present day, the HCC lays solid claim as the states second best conference. 

Glad to see ya back Temp. 

Just using the data available.  I’ll tell SAC fans the same thing I tell HCC fans:  No one will take you seriously as a conference until you start winning your fair share against the others.  The HCC’s measuring stick is the MIC.  The SAC (big school’s) is the HCC under the current tournament format.

9 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

IMO, Mr. Football is as much a career award as a yearly award.  No player has had more impact on their team's success this season than Nate McCahill, that's a fact.  But Nate only has the one year and Steele has been a starter, on one of the best if not the best teamsin the state, for four years.

I'm an Irish fanboy!  If I had a vote it would be for Nate!

Opens another topic for debate...is it a one year award?  Should it be?

I still say that’s why Kiser won over Bell and Johnson over Yeast...to many it IS a career award.

2 minutes ago, BigBH said:

some do some don't....doesn't matter in this game but you keep angrily defending your lame post.

And Zionsville obviously HAS gotten better, hence why they are playing this weekend.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Respectfully disagree. The HCC's 5th best team beating the SAC's best was definitely an upset. Dwenger traveled two hours and Zionsville played catchup the entire game despite several Dwenger turnovers. Cathedral beating Dwenger by two touchdowns, I agree is debatable. Cathedral is arguably the states best team playing in 5a. No one is in their league. 

The “SAC’s best” struggled with the bottom of the HCC in 2019 and was beaten by the HCC two consecutive postseasons now.  It’s a trend.

The gap from the HCC to the SAC may actually be bigger than the gap from the MIC to the HCC.

7 minutes ago, Grover said:

CG earned that field position by limiting BD to 9 yards of total offense in the second half.

THANK YOU.  I guess that BD also forced the CG fumble at the mesh point on their second drive...

I will never accept lazy, one sided analysis, so no...we cannot have interesting discussion.

Fundamentally sound teams like CG who are not flashy get no love from some folks on here.  Hence, the reason some folks thought this game was going to be close.  CG may not be explosive compared to other teams but they impose their will and force you into submission.

BD became more and more deflated in their body language with each second half snap last night.  It was a downward spiral they could not stop.

How about we CREDIT CG for BD’s “bad quarter” next time?

17 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Doesn’t have jump off the wall stats primarily because he’s either taken out after halftime or playing with a running clock, but still good numbers nonetheless.

I could see cases for all 3 (and Huebler) but head tells me it is Steele’s to lose. 

Oh I am fully aware.  I’ve seen years like last year, where stats matter (as they should relative to the level of competition) and have also seen instances (Hunter Johnson) where stars seem to matter.

If Steele wins it, get set for back to back winners from CG.  They have three juniors that will duke it out in 2021.

Just now, DT said:

Roncallis falloff can be attributed as much or more to the departure of Coach Scifres than to the introduction of the SF or any other mitigating factors

 

If the margins of victory play out like many project next weekend it’s not too far fetched to state that the best four teams in the state reside in four different classes...

25 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I started a thread at the mid-way point of the season and thought it’d come down to these three guys:

Donovan McCulley-LN

Carson Steele-Center Grove

Nathan McCahill-Cathrdral

I will add that Roncalli’s impressive run to the state finals probably warrants some attention for Huebler. 
 

At the end of the day the award is likely going to go to the best skill position player on the best team and that’s Carson Steele. McCulley and his commitment to Indiana is probably what most want to see, but I feel he needed to lead LN to at least a sectional title. 

Not sure Steele has the stats.

12 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'm willing to bet that Westfield is a much different team now than they were when they were waxed by Cathedral in week one. They are the underdog against CG for sure, but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me Westfield won this game. Sagarin has CG by 14.........I'll take the Shamrocks to cover.

I feel like Cathedral's best competition in 5a emptied their lockers a week ago. Zionsville is in big trouble. Good for them for getting there, but this game won't be close. I don't think it will be a total embarrassment, but I like the IRISH by three touchdowns. 

Wait, the team that Zionsville beat, forcing them to clean out their lockers a week ago was Cathedral’s best 5a competition?

Bold take.

7 hours ago, XStar said:

It also might be interesting because they MAY try to schedule it to limit the # of people in the building at one time rather than maximize it.  

Yes.  Never considered this myself and unsure if the IHSAA did either.  They may want to pull a 180 from your original idea, lol.

Will WeBo fans want to stick around and root for conference foe Danville?  What about neighboring county school Zionsville?

Will Zionsville fans want to cheer for conference member Westfield?

How about the Chatard, Roncalli, Cathedral contingent?  
 

This could get interesting...or ugly...depending on how you view things.

5 hours ago, PhilLee said:

They beat the hell out of teams in the state championship game.  And play as hard as any team does in the state.  Ask Roncalli (who just embarrassed 2 top 5 4A teams the past 2 weeks) what a motivated Chatard team is like to play against.  I'm not saying that Chatard wins or loses this game.  But we have decades of proof to go on, with numerous other opponents who some thought were all set to "get after" Chatard with a state championship on the line.   

Here are the last 10 state championship games BC has played in:

2019- Win over Heritage Hills 34-3

2015- Win over West Lafayette 31-7

2012- Win over Hamilton Heights 30-13

2011- Win over SB St Joe 21-7

2010- Win over SB St Joe 28-14

2007- Win over SB St Joe 31-7

2006- Win over Norwell 7-0

2005- Loss to Northwood 7-0

2003- Win over Northwood 49-0

2002- Win over Andrean 31-12

 

I'd say 9-1, while allowing an average of under 10 points a game is pretty stout.  That's the history of this program in this game. Doesn't mean 2020 plays out the same way but there's a long track record that says it may. 

As if sectionals, regionals, and semi state trophies don’t “motivate” players?

Once again, ridiculous analysis that is meaningless.  You should have stopped your last sentence at the word “way” while you were ahead.

Your analysis begins when many current Chatard players were in diapers...or the womb.

6 hours ago, PhilLee said:

I'm sure Chatard has had this game circled for a while. 

This kind of analysis always makes me chuckle.  The current Chatard seniors were in 8th grade/freshmen the last two times they were knocked out by Danville, basically meaning not one player from either team played a meaningful snap the last two times they were on opposing sidelines.

Makes for a cool storyline building up to the game for folks to talk about but means nothing of substance when predicting how the game is going to actually play out.

The coaching staff can circle whatever they want, but they aren’t suiting up.

6 hours ago, Stickfish said:

Looked like your 1’s on offense played the entire game.  No running clock, beaten in the second half by a middle of the road team in the SIAC.  Kind of sad for all the hype that was pre game.

“Beaten in the second half”, lol.

That’ll show em.

5 hours ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

I attended this game tonight as I was fortunate to get a ticket through the online portal.  Sat on the CG side.  Really enjoyed tonight's atmosphere despite the smaller crowd.  BD and CG both brought the energy.

 

Sad that BD had a bad 3rd quarter because for 24 minutes they did everything necessary to be in position to win.

Did BD’s “bad quarter” have anything to do with adjustments their opponent made or are we ignoring that fact?

CG swarmed to the ball and those quick/tunnel screen passes (BD’s bread and butter all night) had no shot in the second half...yet they had no other “go to” calls.

Some people are so quick to discredit the winning team...

5 hours ago, BigBH said:

I watched a down Avon team dismantle Zionsville team just a month ago...they have zero chance in this one

Ah, I forgot that teams don’t get better over the course of a month.  My mistake.  Thanks for setting me straight.  Man, you really know football...

5 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Against 2 of the better teams in the country. 2 teams that could only be stopped by each other. I don’t know if it’s proper to call this a litmus test. Unless keeping it respectable is passing?

Stranger things have happened.  I like what I saw out of Westfield and Zionsville tonight.

1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said:

Poor castle 

A “sand” Castle...

13 hours ago, FBO said:

Here's a wild idea.........

Wouldn't it be interesting if as the season went on, all schools classification was dynamic?  Meaning at the end of the regular season, the top 32 programs by Sagarin rating were in 6A.  The next 64 in 5A, the next 64 in 4a.......and so on........Would make for a very competitive tournament in all classes.

Of course you'd have some knuckleheads throwing games just to lower their Sagarin ratings......so I'm sure might drive the wrong behavior.

Let’s do a formula combining enrollment and free/reduced lunch while we’re at it!

Let’s not throw dirt on the HCC just yet.  Yes, Zionsville and Westfield will be big underdogs but next weekend is a huge litmus test for the Hoosier Crossroads Conference.