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1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

Well. Emil was pretty good in high school too, good enough to get a scholarship at 'Bama!  Didn't take any kind of board for him to be found!

OL will never get the credit they are due, especially in modern era football where offensive players are putting up stats at an all-time high in the sport in general.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

For whatever reason, the AP, Coaches, and the Committee will forever remember the 2019 Notre Dame team for how they performed on the road during a hurricane.............bless their little hearts, I guess they just don't understand things. 

So what if they took Georgia to the wire on the road. Who cares if they dominated what was suppose to be a good Virginia team. The 52-10 pasting of #20 Navy? Who cares. And then the complete and absolute demolition of what was suppose to be a VERY good Iowa State team. You know, the team that came with one of Iowa, two of Baylor, and one of Oklahoma? Yep, that's right. Notre Dame waxed them 33-9 in an absolute blowout. Good enough for the Top 10? Guess not. Like I said.........bless the pollsters little hearts, much learning to do. 

Kudos to Michigan, they get bragging rights over the Irish in head to head competition until they play again. And give Michigan a pass for Covid in my opinion. This is just a strange year and the Wolverines are fighting injuries and player defections. And as much as I hate to say it, give Harbaugh a pass too. By this time in his career at Michigan, he should have done more by now. But, I still think there could be light at the end of the tunnel if he completes a total evaluation of his team like Kelly did after the 4-8 season. 

Well stated.  Michigan is not Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State but they are also not Nebraska or Tennessee.

If you try to re-tool and rebuild your coaching staff every 5-6 years, you dig yourself an even deeper hole to relevancy.

There are many once proud programs that ignore this fact.

And while I agree that Harbaugh should have accomplished more by now, he took over in the midst of his two main rivals having the best runs in PROGRAM history.  MSU and OSU (and the Big Ten East in general) is/are as good as its ever been.

Third place in the division usually still means you are a top 10-15 team.  There are worse places to be.

4 hours ago, Staxawax said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-schedule-2020-the-86-games-already-postponed-or-canceled-due-to-covid-19/

Knew we couldn't make it two in a row...

6 hours ago, superjay said:

I got Chatard by 100, because tradition, history, and culture wins championships.  

You’ll give me Danville +100 then?

1 hour ago, DT said:

The Indy kids are bigger stronger and faster

They have better and newer facilities.   More access to personal training instructors. Attend college recruiting camps at a higher rate.  All of this translates to better on field performance

 

The kids are bigger and stronger or they have a higher density of big strong kids?

I think the latter which is still connected to enrollment.

1 minute ago, Indian72 said:

Maybe - hard to say.  But how many times have teams from the north played a team near metro Indy and been smashed?  Marian had a hell of a team of athletes this year and played Chatard tough but in the end, they prevailed

I’m not disagreeing.  I think the “commitment to football” that @DTrepeatedly cites is at play here.

What is the typical daily teaching schedule for most coaches in that area?

Because I can tell you first hand, how laughable things are for the powers in central Indiana from that standpoint.

16 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Gee temp, I’ve thought we’ve agreed more than not?

Eh, I haven’t kept score.  Maybe I’m wrong.

Sorry.

9 minutes ago, Indian72 said:

They seem more physical, fundamentally sounder, maybe little more discipline.  I have been to many state finals, I have seen Chartard 2x in 3 years and they play the same way

Watched their game Friday night and it was an awesome game

We think Elkhart and Merrillville were the cream of the north - look what Westfield did to Merrillville

Better coaching?  Different kind of kids?

Just now, Olympian06 said:

I’ve taken plenty of peoples money and turned them into donations on here. People make outlandish comments and either are so dumb they believe what they said or they won’t bet at all. LOL 

Likewise.  +42 is asinine.

Just now, Indian72 said:

Teams from the metro Indy area just seem to be different than the rest of the state

Don’t disagree but other than enrollment, how specifically?

14 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

More talent? Eh, somehow I’m not buying that. I’ll admit I’ve not seen 1 minute of film despite the fact I live 6 miles from Danville High School. SOS very much favors Chatard. Cathedral, Merrillville and Marian certainly prepare you more than Webo and Tri West.

But I’m also not buying the “remember they beat us when you were freshmen” thing. Danville’s history with Chatard the last 20 years is dismal at best..... many of the games absolute blowouts. That might motivate a team more than the last loss. But, either way after the first set of downs it comes down to preparedness and execution. 
Danville is the one that will need to up their game as no one they’ve played prepares them. I’m hoping they do and it’s a great final!

We finally agree.

11 minutes ago, Ugminer said:

Im just curious since i have seen few people say they just watch it on ihsaatv, so are the games still on TV like every year or only online?

Both.

1 hour ago, Dave007 said:

I assume they allow running clock even in state championship game?  Reason I ask, if game gets out of hand both sides have more time / opportunity to play reserves on a big stage.  I ask that, because I think the two prime-time games (i.e. 5A and 6A) will be very lopsided.  Just hate to see a championship game end 75-90 minutes after kick-off which could be the case here.  CG had state finals circled on calendar for a long time and they will be very, very prepared.

Center Grove   56

Shamrocks      14

You’ll give me Westfield +42?  Gentlemen’s bet?

19 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Just the opposite for me.  I love the implied/real big game culmination of the kids getting to play in LOS and perhaps even fueling their desire to make that transition from the high school field to the college field to the professional field and getting a "taste" of that even if just for a day and even if it may be the only time they ever get to do it.  Just like our youth kids getting a chance to play their games on the high school field and one game a season getting to be "under the lights."  That "under the lights" game is such a special event for the kids.  As a youth coach that coached in a program where all the various team levels practiced in close proximity, we always talked to the kids about our hope for them was to move from the youth practice field, to the junior high practice field, to the varsity practice field, and eventually to the varsity game field. The other thing that I love about LOS, is the look in the eyes of the young kids in the stands.  The look in my boys eyes when we'd get to LOS and that look when they first go through the tunnel and it opens up to the seats and the field, and just the looks in their eyes during the whole experience is all worth it for me.  The game almost becomes icing on the cake.

Gimme a packed Cracker Jack box venue (not possible in the Covid era) with a standing room only crowd, any day of the week.

Wont ever happen, but Butler or Arsenal Tech in November?  Sign me up.

23 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

For me, it's great for the young men that get to play in those stadiums.  Cathedral, for example, has played in the Pro Football HOF in Canton, the Horseshoe at the Ohio State and Nippert Stadium in Cincinnati, and they've been lucky enough to have played a number of times in the RCA Dome and LOS.  It's kind of spooky for the spectators, but the players treasure that opportunity!

No doubt.  Can see that side completely.

15 minutes ago, Grover said:

21 points would be the most CG has given up all season.  

Eh, maybe one of the TDs is in garbage time.

5 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I too like college sports definitely more than professional, but high school sports have really grown on me since moving to Indiana. I will confess that I used to be a "big school football bigot" coming from Texas and from a high school that would have 6A classification in Indiana ... somewhere in the enrollment neighborhood of Pike or Penn ... but I've really grown to enjoy high school ball; especially small school ball.  The crowd size doesn't bother me as long as I have a dog in the fight ... either I coached the kids, or I know the kids' families, or I know and have coached against the coaches, whether my own kids are performing at the game or, this year for the first time, whether one of my kids is actually playing in a high school game.  At the high school level I love the game for the purity of the game and, as I've gotten older and coached so many kids, I love it because of the impact that I know that it has on the individual kids ... to an extent beyond the actual game that's taking place.

Oh, I do love the high school sports scene (hence the reason I come to this site) but there is just something about the cavernous nature of high school football in a professional sports stadium that is anti climactic to me.

Just now, DT said:

No thanks  Do your own research  Ive done mine

Seems vague.  Just say it...you know you want to.

3 hours ago, Bobref said:

I have to say I was disappointed by the Merrillville game. I enjoyed seeing Westfield. That’s a very good, very well-coached team. But Merrillville turned it over 3 times, and they had at least 7 pre-snap penalties, including at least 5 false starts. There was a very small crowd, due to distancing restrictions, so it certainly wasn’t crowd noise that caused those false starts. Just a lack of concentration at a critical time.

I saw the Pirates 3 times this year, and it was the same story each time. You cannot help but be impressed with their size, speed and athleticism. The first two times I saw them, they made these same mistakes, but the talent differential between them and the opponent was so great that they could overcome them. Not so when you play a disciplined, well-coached opponent who doesn’t make mistakes, and takes advantage of yours.

I didn’t know Coach Seiss before he came to Merrillville, but having seen him work now on multiple occasions, I have to say I’m impressed with him. But if Merrillville truly aspires to have downstate success, rather than just being the big fish in the relatively small pond that is 6A football in the North, he’s got to change these guys from athletes to football players. It’s great to have sensational athletes on your team. But they have to get better at playing football. 

It’s almost as if you cannot just build an all star team with transfers and such from other schools.. 

Discipline + Experience + Togetherness = success

Brownsburg agrees.

Just now, DT said:

A (resources) plus B (total buy in) = c (Winning)

Its quite a simple formula

 

Explain “A” in greater detail please...

I assume with “B” you are referring to administration, though correct me if I am wrong.

42 minutes ago, cg_holmeaid said:

Should be an interesting game.

Thoughts? Predictions?

I think that Sagarin has it nailed perfectly (though it’s been inaccurate this season more so than ever).

I see another one that is close in the first half and in which CG pulls away in the second.

The blueprint for Westfield is simple...though no one has been able to do so to CG for 4 quarters...

Control the clock, limit CG’s possessions and cash in (touchdowns) in the red zone.  Of course this means running the ball effectively.

Gimme the Trojans by 2-3 possessions.

Somewhere in the 38-21 neighborhood.

1 hour ago, DT said:

Being a fan of big school football primarily, I havent always paid much attention to all the little private schools and charters that have opened up across the state over the past decade.  If it werent for all these little guys, we would be much closer to the Magic 280 goal to achieve competitive balance.

If Im reading the data correctly, according to Harrels site, CC began play in 2014 with one game, where they recorded a 40-7 win over another newbie, Traders Point.  CC has steadily built and has now reached the 1A State Championship game in just its 6th full season of play.

Undoubtedly, CC roster is stocked with kids from throughout the Indy Metro, many hand picked by the coaching staff.  The campus lies conveniently just up the street from Indianas greatest football dynasty, Ben Davis HS.

So I have to ask the question.  How is this fair to the many small public schools who have toiled over the years and never had the chance to advance past a sectional let alone reach the finals.

It is my firm belief that NO private school should be allowed to play in the lowest classification for this very reason.  The very smallest PPs should be classed at a bare minimum of 2A , with a preferred 2.0 Multiplier to assign the best class fit  Covenent has taken a short cut to the state championship game, and stepped over lots of other programs with significantly less resources.  Kudos to CC on their accomplishments, but lets see it for what it really is.  

 

http://indianahsfootball.homestead.com/logs/CovenantChristian.htm#loaded

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Covenant+Christian+High+School/@39.7921165,-86.2897539,5529m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x886ca8579f1b28f1:0xbaf70228c4cec9b2!8m2!3d39.7930563!4d-86.2930584

 

http://scoreboard.homestead.com/football/logsCovenantChristian.htm#loaded

 

 

Spot on, but you failed to mention WHY privates/charters can find success so quickly.

Why do you think that is?  Tell me more about the “resources” you speak of.

1 hour ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

I wasn’t analyzing squat, I just said BD had a bad 3Q, which they DID.  Goodness gracious, some of us don’t spend all day on their keyboard at this website because they  have nothing else to do with their lives.  Some of us actually have families, practices, schedules to keep.

 

I’m not a reporter or play by play or hot take guy, so I don’t have to do anything to satisfy any of you that think I should.  I simply said BD had a bad 3Q, as they did.  It’s too bad is all.

 

 You’re pathetic temptation.  You’re truly pathetic and you could never say anything you have to say to my face.

I’m pathetic even though you’ve resorted to the name calling and while you speak to me from your ivory tower?

I may be on here more than you are but when I do log in, I don’t resort to name calling.  What’s that say about you?  
 

Like I said, I’ll call out lazy analysis EVERY TIME.  Make your daily visits (that you somehow seem to squeeze in despite being a family/career man) count by actually providing substance to the discussion.

My elementary aged kids could watch one quarter of football and tell me “dat wuz a bad quarter.”

Do better next time...and the time after that.

20 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

I give complete credit to Coach Moore and the Trojans. They dominated that second half by doing what they do. They were more physical, and they took advantage of every error. 

You get it. 

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

 

$200 sounds like a lot, but really, the differential we are talking about is only $30-$60/$75 depending on one-day or two-day attendance.  Normally you would have spent the $15 to attend the first game of the first day and stayed.  Now you have to pay for the other two of the day because each requires a ticket for re-admission.  If you normally stay for one-day, then it would cost you an extra $30.  If you would normally go for two days, I believe that you had a have a ticket for that second day.  Again, you would have paid $15 for the first game and you'll now pay an additional $30 for the second day.  If the first day ticket would normally grant you free admission to the second day, then the added cost this year would be $45 for the second day.  You would have spent the other money on parking, food, etc. regardless of whether you did re-admission or not.  That added price goes down by the way if you don't stay for all the games.  For example, if you go on Day 1 and only stay for a second game, you'd only be paying an additional $15.  I understand that some folks don't have the extra $30-$60/$75 or don't want to pay it, but all of the other talk of food and the like is already baked into the equation normally. 

Still a no brainer for me.  Maybe I’m just getting old.  The college level game is the only one worth attending in person anymore.  The atmosphere, pageantry and setting just cannot be beaten.

When it comes to high school/professional sports, it just seems a bit stale to me.  I can stay warm, sit by the fireplace and drink my own beer, eat my own snacks and go about my day while watching on my flat screen.

Something about a professional stadium being at 10 percent capacity turns me off.

Plus, when you are at the game you are often the LAST to know about injuries, etc...