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You’d be surprised, especially at the 6A level…

“A high school coaches’ pay scale”, lol. Just stop. Dude makes over 6 figures at the end of the day.

You always reel me back in.

I wouldn’t get too comfortable. In today’s educational society buzzwords like equity, inclusion and representation are being utilized more and more. Hell, soon not only will every team get in, we may start giving teams points on the scoreboard before kickoff or even letting teams play with 12-13 guys in the name of fairness.

Still here. Still undefeated.

There are 32 teams in 6A man. Somebody has to be at the bottom. Can your statement regarding the two LC’s also apply to Noblesville? Put them in the DAC… Look at last year’s Sagarin ratings. Noblesville was 37th in Indiana. Let’s not pretend they are fodder. They played the #4 schedule in the state and would contend for a sectional/regional title in any other class. Coaching matters, no doubt. But you are the one dismissing the two most important factors for any athletic program.

Primary factors for ANY sport. Think Tech could hire Tiger Woods as their boys golf coach and turn into state contenders?

Way to duck the questions posed.

LOL at using a one off and a team that is .333 since winning that state championship to try to drop the mic. (Lake Central has been nearly .500 in that same time frame by the way.) Why’d West leave LC for Warren then? Enrollment. Why’d he leave Warren for FC? SES.

For the last time, I’ve conceded that there are a multitude of factors but none bigger than the two mentioned in this very thread. Nothing is guaranteed…just scroll up and take a look at my head start analogy. And why won’t you give me names? If one is true, shouldn’t the reverse also be true? Low SES + the bottom of your class in enrollment = irrelevance on a state level. Prove me wrong by naming some that make the above statement false. Try all CAPS or bold next time. Maybe he always sat in the front of the classroom on East 56th Street. (Or watched too many Disney movies.)

Damn. Penn? Already? I was almost on board. NC will be fascinating to watch as the heat has to be turned up on O’Shea this fall. I think he’s easily a top 3 coach in the “former MIC” (maybe better). Not ready to throw dirt on Fishers yet, Noblesville has zero excuse this fall and don’t know enough about Lake Central. Now do the opposite for me. Gimme the names of some 6A schools with low enrollment and low SES that have had consistent success on a state wide level. Hell, do ANY class for me.

Hebert is 12-13 against the other big 3 in the MIC. His predecessor was 13-7.

We can go back and forth all day about CG. This argument is splitting hairs. They are a contender more often than not. That we agree on. Does Carmel have a “really good coach” though? I’m not completely sold. Meatloaf said it best…two outta three ain’t bad.

You’re doing it again. No one said automatic…view it as a head start or being able to run a race on flat ground while others have to run uphill. That work?

You are once again twisting my words and speaking in hyperbole. I said coaching matters. It’s why CG is what it is and NC isn’t. Their SES numbers have grown apart gradually but they aren’t all THAT different. But even THE BEST coach in the world can’t turn Arsenal Tech into Center Grove. Not to sound redundant but too many variables outside of what happens in the school house, practice or game field play a vital role. The pandemic only widened that gap. Plus, you can only put 11 on the field at a time so the Carmel argument you attempted to make doesn’t hold water. Now if you want to talk depth, special teams and fresh bodies, I’m all on board with Carmel having a huge advantage. CG is a contender more often than not. They were 8-6 three years ago (got hot and made a run to state), had 4 losses two years before that and went .500 in 2017. Like BD, you can’t let the run of sectional titles fool you. CG has a bye to the regional annually. As did BD.

It’s a combination of both. I’ve said this from day one. Cathedral is not a public school. Completely different topic. You have both, you are an annual contender. (Carmel) You have one (SES) but not the other (Center Grove), you are a contender more often than not. You have one (enrollment) but not the other (Ben Davis, Warren) you are a contender more often than not. You have neither, you are irrelevant (Tech). The right coaching staff matters, no doubt but the very definition of “coaching” is much more complex at some places more so than others. There are exceptions (as @Footballking16loves to point out) but these are pretty proven at the 6A level. While many students at Center Grove and Carmel are wondering what dessert they are going to order, those at BD, Warren and Tech are simply wondering where their next meal is going to come from. Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.

1. You are in denial of my SES takes despite the data being right in front of your face (well maybe not yours specifically) down in Johnson County. Your “Center Grove has done it, why can’t everyone” shtick is what I laugh at. There are barriers to success faced by schools that someone in your environment couldn’t take the first step to comprehend and it has nothing to do with youth programs, X’s and O’s and practice “effort.” There is a reason that coaching turnover is through the roof in general and even more so at schools with low SES numbers. Just focusing on the two schools mentioned most frequently in this thread, coaches at Warren Central’s two ball sports have left for FRANKLIN CENTRAL. Ben Davis has had two legends in the ball sports depart for PERRY MERIDIAN and MOUNT VERNON. Times have changed. 2. It’s a message board. Bitching generates conversation. Don’t be so dense.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/06/131270/marcus-freeman-claims-he-was-misquoted-but-reiterates-that-ohio-state-players-can-take-online-classes-while-notre He’a not wrong, but still…why? Who do I dislike more?

He takes it personally as some sort of discredit to Moore when someone brings up SES/enrollment.

Doesn’t matter. Only 19 sports are counted.

Or if you go 4/12 from the free throw line, you’re unemployed…

Oh it does. I’ve gone on record as stating it’s the #1 reason BD and Warren remain “contenders.” Take 1500-2000 students out of either and you have Arsenal Tech.

Lol. I’ll add #13 in that case… ”We are all going to die one day.” Hey, ensures I’m eventually correct.

Screams ME before WE.

What’s your time frame on these?