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Yep. It’s the lifeblood of an athletic program and community. (By the way, Warsaw is hovering just above 40 percent.)

Boredom will eventually set in as Carmel and/or CG are dominating the conference in nearly every sport. Football, basketball and track and field used to be immune...no more.

That’s part of it for sure, but the numbers don’t lie. To that topic, CG and Carmel are MIC members in name only as their socioeconomics align more with the HCC schools, thus yet another reason the dynamics are shifting and it’s just a matter of time.

You’re catching up I see.

In other news, Ben Davis’ reduction in winning percentage also correlates with an increase in its free/reduced lunch percentage over that same time period. Probably just a coincidence though.

Keep punting. So their winning percentage dropping is solely due to CG and Carmel huh? Geez man. You're insufferable.

Double Check My Math: 1990's: 2-0 vs CG 9-1 vs WC 8-2 vs CAR 2000's: 7-6 vs CG 6-11 vs WC 6-4 vs CAR 2010's: 5-8 vs CG 5-8 vs WC 5-7 vs CAR

Ben Davis's win % by decade: 1990s: .876 2000s: .783 2010s: .716

I wont pretend to know Mr. Sharpe but perhaps he is at the point in his career where he wants to take on the challenge of a program that has not had a winning season in TWO decades? HSE and Fishers were under first year head coaches last season on top of coaching during a pandemic. Throwing dirt on them is a fool's errand. They have the facilities, the enrollment, the resources and the demographics to compete at an elite level and will only continue to improve as the urban sprawl and deterioration of Marion County continues. I've been wrong on the timeline thus far but I've been adamant that the HCC is the conference of the future. There is no denying it.

None as of right now but with the way the SES numbers are trending, they’ll be players very soon as Marion County continues to deteriorate. I will say that HSE/Fishers would hold their own/have a shot in Sectional 6 right now though.

Pike/NC are top 15-20 outfits that play in a brutal conference. No excuse for Lake Central. Was comparing the above 3 to Carmel. Already stated that CG/Noblesville are carbon copies of one another.

About 1300 students and 10 percent on the socioeconomic scale. So you’ll apply when the next guy at Tech walks out the door?

So CAN Tech just hire the right guy and become Center Grove?

You’re dodging the socioeconomic portion of the argument that you continue to deny. I am using Tech because they are on the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the socioeconomic argument. If it’s not a factor than why can’t Tech seem to build the “culture” you speak of?

I’ll take it one step further. Program A and Program B have similar enrollments. Program A has a 25 percent free and reduced lunch status and majority of two parent households. Program B has a 70 percent free and reduced lunch status and majority of single parent households. He just doesn’t understand that athletics is the farthest thing from families in Program B’s minds. Many students have to care for siblings and sometimes support the family by working an afterschool job and a minute situation in which they could participate in athletics have no transportation to and from practice daily. The difference between Center Grove and Arsenal Tech is more than just Eric Moore dude. You can’t build the same culture you speak of at each place because the starting line is significantly different. Kids at program B are trying to survive.

He’s lost.

CG was not a “football school” prior to Moore’s arrival. If Noblesville hires the right guy and he is given time, they could potentially follow CG’s path. The difference also becomes that Noblesville is middle of the pack in the HCC when it comes to socioeconomics. CG has a clear advantage in that regard in the MIC.

Your posts are easier to understand when you use complete sentences. Can you translate?

Noblesville and CG basically have similar demographics, enrollment and socioeconomics. The difference is that Noblesville travels north and has a grind from day 1 in the sectional whereas CG gets a “sectional bye.” No fault of CG but facts are facts. Noblesville should be better and Eric Moore is the big difference maker here. He could make Noblesville a threat in 2-3 years. Lets not forget the Millers had an undefeated Homestead outfit on the ropes a couple of years ago. They are not nearly as bad as their record indicates.

Little excuse for Noblesville but on the other hand, the giant in their sectional has nearly 2x the enrollment and a 9 percent free and reduced rate, roughly half that of Fishers/HSE and 3x less than Noblesville. Throw in STATE FINALISTS Zionsville (4 percent) and Westfield (14 percent) in their own conference and you have an uphill climb. You are playing checkers here dude.

Agreed. IMG is an athletic factory posing as a high school. ZERO interest.

You said yourself that Tech was a 2A/3A level outfit posing as a 6A school in name only. You also repeatedly say the opposite about Cathedral. This formula bears out that notion. You’re not sitting it out. You are the pioneer.

Nah, but in a perfect world you’d take the number of students enrolled and divide it by it’s population NOT on free and reduced lunch to determine classes. Take a deeper look when you get a moment. I think you’ll agree.

There’s a point of diminishing returns wise guy. In a school of 3800 (even with a free and reduced lunch rate of 65 percent) you can field a formidable football squad. In fact, enrollment is the only thing keeping Warren and Ben Davis afloat right now. Shrink their enrollment by 1000 and you have a souped up version of Arsenal Tech. When you take a look at enrollment on its surface, it’s easy to fall into the trap. Why is Ben Davis (the second largest school in the state) not dominating in state championships across the board? Because, even though they boast 2000+ male students, when you figure in a free and reduced lunch rate of nearly 70 percent, that diminishes the pool of available student athletes considerably. We just had a prominent football coach leave Warren for FRANKLIN CENTRAL. Wrap your mind around that. You “privileged” Cathedral folks are out of touch with reality. Your 600 male students (none of which are disadvantaged) is comparable to BD’s 2250 at a 70 percent disadvantaged clip.

Love how the tough guys from Cathedral and LCC have chimed in and are attempting to throw their weight around in this discussion. It’s honestly adorable. ”We play big schools all of the time. What’s the big deal?”