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1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said:

An interesting fact about North, they are 1-4 at Home, with their only win against Memorial, but are 4-0 in away games.

Blame that silly computerized "Husky Nation" call they play over the PA all game.

On 10/22/2022 at 9:50 AM, DumfriesYMCA said:

I’m not sure Pike Central has ever played 12 games in a football season 

Nope.  This team is just the second to ever play 11 games. (2002)  I guess this makes this season one of the all time greats.

Is the QB out against Jasper?

6 hours ago, TigerFan20 said:

Team Stats through Week 9

 

 

Thanks for doing this all year.

1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

... how a 5th place SIAC team...

VL is a 7th place siac team

1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes. Story of my life, lol.

I would add the back seat of my car to that list.

19 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said:

FINAL SIAC STANDINGS

1. Reitz 9-0

2. Jasper 6-3

3. Mater Dei 6-3

4. Memorial 6-3

5. Castle 5-4

6. North 5-4

7. Vincennes 4-5

8. Harrison 3-6

9. Bosse 1-8

10. Central 0-9


 

I fixed it for you

12 hours ago, Thornton Melon said:

finals are the catholics vs evsc all stars

I guess that means Jasper vs Reitz.

2 hours ago, tango said:

Reitz or Boonville would host either Jasper or Memorial in the final.

I think Reitz would be on the road against both Jasper and Memorial if Harrison beats Boonville.

The SIAC took a big hit in Sagarin this week

This is what the brackets will be.

Top Bracket

Bye- Central

R1 Bosse vs Boonville

Bottom

Memorial vs Harrison

Jasper vs Reitz

The Sagarin top ten by predictor are as follows after week 7

1 Reitz

2 VL

3 Castle

4 Mater Dei

5 E North

6 Memorial

7 Brownsburg

8 Jasper

9 Evansville Harrison

10 Center Grove

Bosse and Central need to start carrying their weight and kick those paperweights Brownsburg and CG out of the top ten.  I can't imagine why anyone would think the SIAC is weighted incorrectly. 😁

7 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Yes, we all know that Sagarin cannot compare closed conferences until they play noncon opponents. That doesn't explain why two closed conferences are being treated so differently. This just shows the problem has been ongoing. The fact that it was reversed last year makes it even more bizarre. 

Closed conferences should be treated differently.  Case in point, a closed conference of the mega football schools (Cathedral, Center Grove, etc) should not have the same strength of schedule as a closed conference of 1a schools.  Sagarin is probably using some aspect of last years playoff results to weight the conferences.  The SAC did not have as much playoff success in 2021 as in 2020.  The SIAC did better in 2021 then in 2020.  The "switching" of their conference strength is probably related to playoff performance.  No it is not perfect but unfortunately the only way to connect the conferences in season is to use something from last year to compare them.

The fact it was reversed is explained by the difference in playoff performance changing from 2020 to 2021

Here is one of last years conversations that this years thread is recycling.

As others have stated Sagarin cannot compare teams that are not connected.  Both conferences will not be connected until the playoffs.  Last year the same happened only in reverse.  The SAC was over-weighted during the season and the SIAC was under-weighted.  Playoff results will have outsized influence on both conferences final rating.

Last year's rankings for both conferences top five teams were as follows:

                         After week 9                           After state

SAC                3,8,11,12,19                                20,48,60,68,70     (yes, Sagarin thought 5 of the top 20 regular season teams were in the SAC)

SIAC               65, 83, 88, 113, 137                  25, 26, 31, 44, 69

One year ago there was a discussion on this board about why the SAC was valued so highly.

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

my question is….on what grounds does Bosse think they have the right to restrict live hudl? 

Probably on the same grounds the NFL has to restrict broadcasting of there games.

One big difference this year is the strength of the middle.  I didn't look at it in my chart above.  Teams 5-6 are a good deal stronger then year's past.  It could be the product of a deep conference or it could just be comparing week 5 to week 9.  The middle might weaken out by week 9 this year.

27 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

What were the rankings like before the SIAC became 10 teams 

 

similar to 2022 currently? 

Yes.  The final rankings for SIAC teams prior to 10 teams was consistent with the current alignment. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20180101000000*/http://sagarin.com/sports/hsfsend.htm

Which is to say Sagarin currently has the SIAC ranked inline with where it will be ranked after state.  I'm not familiar with how much the tournament shifted the SIAC rankings in Calpreps or Massey in years past.

Adding to my previous post:  If the SIAC has similar postseason success as the past two years then the SIAC rankings won't move much during this years tournament.

Sagarin has made a significant adjustment to the weighting of the SIAC relative to years past.  The following is a chart showing the rankings of the 1st, 2nd, 9th, and 10th ranked teams after games 9 and state.  The current season ranking has the SIAC in line with where they have finished in the final rankings after state the past two years.

              After game 9                 Final ranking after state.

2020      80:137:289:308                  21:38:213:255  

2021      65:83:240:244                   25:26:148:150

2022      20:21:163:166  (rankings after game 5)

Three games in and only one team is undefeated.

Regarding rankings:  Philosophically there are two ways to rank teams. 

One is forward thinking.  Which team is best if they played today and or moving forward? 

The other is past thinking.  Which is best based on body of work?  (Team A beat B who beat C)  Both type of ranking systems have merit.

The schedule three weeks in happens to fit in such a way that every team can be ranked with a "past looking" system in which every team can be ranked with the teams they defeated below them and the teams that beat them ranked above them.  That ranking is as follows:  (And for the record I prefer a forward looking ranking system)

Reitz

VL

MD

Castle

North

Harrison

Jasper

Memorial/Bosse (These two only share Central as a common opponent so no one really knows who is better.)🤣

Central

9 hours ago, tango said:

IMO Reitz's W over Lincoln looks more impressive than the W over Jasper at this point.

I agree.  People act like Jasper didn't just lose to Harrison a week earlier.

3 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Power Rankings after Week 3
1. Gibson Southern 3-0
2. Mater Dei 3-0
3. Reitz 3-0
4. Castle 2-1
5. Southridge 3-0
6. Vincennes 2-1
7. North 2-1
8. Boonville
9. Perry Central 3-0
10. Tecumseh 3-0
HM: Heritage Hills 2-1, North Posey 2-1, Jasper 1-2, Memorial 2-1.

MD lost to Lincoln

1 hour ago, TransplantedPanther said:

Good things are at Harrison. They scored 20 points in a game for the first time since 2016. While they haven’t been on the winning side yet, you have to score points to win, and they are getting there

 

As a Jasper fan I wish that were true.