OldschoolFB

Yeah, I whiffed huge on those. And HHS and Wayne

We will see. I don’t think Dwenger has it either but you’re underestimating the advantage Dwenger has in the trenches. Having said that, now is the time for the NE8 to pounce on Dwenger. They won’t be down forever(unless this current coach stays forever) and even if the current staff stays on for a while, they have talent in upcoming classes that can carry them past most 4A schools regardless of their current leadership.

Dwenger 42-14 North Side 45-21 Snider 42-14 Concordia 49-20 Carroll 56-10

We will see.

Can’t argue with that. I think he may think he has to get rid of it too quickly sometimes(which is also his strength) and DBs are picking up on something. And many times it’s a tight window and the really good DBs like HSE and Snider can make you pay.

Dwenger would be the favorite to anyone who is being honest. Having said that, they could EASILY lose. The issue for the NE8 is going to be the psychological hurdle and line play. I can’t say I disagree. I’m just saying if you’re picking a “favorite” they’d likely be the one. However, I think it will be either New Haven or Leo. (If I was forced to pick right now)

Dwenger would be the favorite to anyone who is being honest. Having said that, they could EASILY lose. The issue for the NE8 is going to be the psychological hurdle and line play.

He’s pretty darn good. Just trying to make plays. He will learn. I think you’d find out how good he is if he wasn’t there. He is efficient and makes ALOT of great throws.

You’re correct. Let’s Goooo!! Got it. And 100% agree!!✊🏼👊🏼

There is a little pitching into the community they helps. If you work with the kids as a parent early and often, it will make a difference but I understand your overall point. In regards to Catholics, don’t kid yourself, there are many people who don’t like them but i think it’s for far different reasons than athletics and I don’t believe it crosses over into athletics and if it did, it’s more they don’t like private schools. And just so you get where I’m coming from, I always enjoy your posts as they are well thought out and reasonable.

100% correct!!

Id suggest the public schools start emulating what these schools do in their feeder systems. Stop de-emphasizing football, active recruit from “within your own hallways” sell the program to kids at all ages and especially early on and don’t expect State Titles immediately. Give it 2-3 years and make the goals in years 1 and 2 more attainable than a State Title. You’re complaining about others success through hard work is sickening. You told (or someone on the same page as you) said Mebuck offended a ton of people. Well you offended me and at least as many as you’re claiming Me buck offended. Why should everyone else in the State lay down and not succeed for your benefit? I realize some schools have more resources and if that’s what you’re basing success on, make it the haves and the have not leagues combined with it being based on size. Don’t like that idea? Then learn to build something to believe in and win because YOU worked and over came the odds as opposed to tearing everyone else down so YOU can win. If we used your logic, why are we stopping at the fairness of facilities? Why not penalize highly athletic and talented players by only letting them play in 6A or 2 quarters? Or if you have a great arm, you can’t play QB? if they idea sounds stupid, I agree with you, welcome to the common sense club. If you like the idea, I hope you grow a pair and learn to fight no matter the odds and quit complaining about others being successful.

Carroll 41 Snider 28 Luers 42 Concordia 28 North Side 42 Northrop 13 Wayne 42 South Side 6 HHS 35 Saints 10

I’ve been a tough critic of the Saints so I’ll add this to the discussion for a positive thought. If their line continues to improve, they will be tough to beat in the Sectionals. Add an improved secondary (not O Keefe, he’s very very good) and we don’t give up the home run because we are out of position or no safety help we will be the overwhelming favorite. One DB needs help in coverage but I think he will improve. Add a less predictable passing attack with quick passes and an occasional deep ball, we could win the Semi State too. No matter what, Northwood is going to be a tough team to beat but Semi State in 4A isn’t anything to be ashamed of. If we somehow make it to State, we don’t match up well with East Central. Don’t know enough about Roncolli or New Pal to know if they can beat EC. We may match up better with those teams. I’m hoping we start a positive trend and utilize our playmakers with quick hits and stop with 90% of our routes being fly patterns. If we beat HHS, we could finish 5-4(maybe beat Snider if we can keep up with their speed) and go into playoffs with positive momentum.

Carroll being good has very little to do with Dwenger’s slide. There are enough players for Dwenger to have competed with its first 2 opponents and they could have beaten Carroll. Every time? No but 1 of 5. The staff finds ways to put the team in a bad spot. For example going for it on 4th and 15 on own 15. Or in 2020 against Zionsville going for it on 4th and 3 on own 39 with 1 min left in 3rd up 20-6. Momentum shift that cost us the game. Or not playing their best in 2019 in semi state until a few injuries or not playing several key players in 2121 on offense or not using the running back they did use in 2121 often enough. Ie) Carroll and HHS and Snider housed us and he was only used in 1 series. And they had 3 guys in D at least as good. Or not letting Skarie play much D last year after being All Sac as Jr or playing a coaches son or nephew who has no business playing and I mean NO BUSINESS (2019 O Line) this year first 2 games at Safety, many Tippmann’s who are at running back(we had zero play there and all of the sudden 2 brothers were very good at that spot(still not best option save for you gets SR year) and now we HAVE to have one playing there? Or NEVER giving outmatched corners help because our Cb could cover in the CYO supposedly. I could go on and on and on and on. It’s very difficult to watch. To answer your question about HHS, no it would t matter because this coach will do things like this, he will play the right guys when his backs against the wall and the kids make plays when given the chance. For example, Snider in the playoffs in 2021. That Saints team was very good and finished 7-5. Pathetic. And they won’t beat HHS. But if we do, that makes us 5-4 again in regular season at best. Yank yank. Don’t undersell Luers either, they will get better while our coaches will be trying to divvy up stats to we can sell the “ team concept”. And we will never find a rhythm.

I agree. 100%. We are also 1-3 and two plays a way from having 3 running clocks out on us. We’ve had 5 running clocks in 2 years and 4 games. Moeller is 1-3 ve the rest of Indiana including 4A East Central. I listen to Our parents and we are now the crowd they thinks we played well when we lost 40-13. That’s how far it’s fallen. There is no other way to slice it.

I am just stating the facts. I love Dwenger. But it’s a lot closer to being an ehhh type of team. The wrong power broker in charge. They don’t know anything about athletics and the powers that be are beholden to them. And the worst part about it is they have know clue as to what they don’t know.

It’s Probably because the entire school is run by people who are seeking the destination of the job for their own personal satisfaction as opposed to it being a calling to help our youth. There are good teachers and staff and a few coaches that are good but overall anyone hired anymore seems to be just another cog in the protect each other machine and the we are always right and know better than you machine. There isn’t any self reflection with any of the major sports at Bd on the boys side and very few on the girls. We used to take pride in greatness and working harder and achieving more. We used to applaud taking on challenges. Now our coaches expect to win and have the kids do it for them. They don’t teach the sport like they used to and if a good one comes in, they’re run out because it isn’t “fair” to those who aren’t starting. Which by the way, complaining about not playing is just a passive way of being competitive and not very “fair” to the kids who have worked harder. just my thoughts. Don’t get mad at my response as you asked the question.

You are aware that the head chief demoted his OC a couple years back but forgot to inform the general public he was calling plays and setting personnel? the coach let go, or demoted, was doing a great job, the kids loved him and so did the students at the school. He actually did care about the kids. It was about making them better as opposed to himself. You know the way one J Fred Tone used to. I guess after he left, there was “Sudden Change”.

This is the best post I’ve read on here about the problems at Dwenger. Everyone’s afraid to say it. There were a handful of wise people that knew this immediately (even in 2018) and since then we’ve seen the talent in 2019 and 20 and even in 21 ( didn’t have the line to make a deep run)get completely wasted. Should have at the very least been to State in 19 and 20 and had the talent to win both years (would’ve been a tall order against New Pal and Cathedral but the kids deserved a shot) Between 2018 and 2021 they produced 3 Division 1 linemen and another (arguably the best behind Joe T)plays locally. They have also sent 5 other players to D1, have had 2 player of the year players. 18 All State Players. One of the most prolific passers in SAC history arguably their best MLB in history and Didn’t use ant least 5 other kids on offense and played D only which held them back from college offers. Even last year they wasted a couple kids ability as well. Dwenger is more than capable of winning 5A. This 4A excuse to me is sickening. The old guard never would have backed down from the 5A challenge. They would have seen it as an opportunity. That’s all I have. I need a Tylenol.

You are 100% correct!! They better change quickly or it’s going to get really bad.

Yes. And not going to get better anytime soon.

Carroll by 42 Wayne by 21 north Side by 14 homestead by 45 Snider by 50 The once mighty SAC is no more. It consists of 3.5 good teams and soon to be 3 if Dwenger doesn’t fix a few things.

I don’t understand all of the blanket categorizing of all private. Sure a few are bad at recruiting but up here in the Fort, ALL of the public schools are much much much worse with recruiting. and I don’t think Indy is any different. Cathedral is the worst offender, however. My point being the amount of moaning by public schools is sad. And they do it too

Eastbrook over Concordia Moeller over Dwenger 59-3 Snider over East Noble by 28 Wayne over Northrop by 21 Noblesville over HHS by 21 New Haven over Luers by 21 St Joe over South by 17 Carroll over Warren by 10