BTF

25 minutes ago, temptation said:

@Bobref?

I was thinking Rodney, but Bobref will do. 

I've got Penn winning 10-7 in overtime with 15 players on defense. But that's only if they have 15 on the kickoff team and the punt team. If special teams are even up, I'll give you your 14 points. 

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah, Penn could have had 15 players on the field on defense that night and still lost by 14.

May need a second opinion here. Can I call a friend? 

30 minutes ago, temptation said:

So it would have been 47-7.

No chance of scoring 100 though.  If the snow was falling, we're probably talking 28-14. 

25 minutes ago, temptation said:

I’ve posted this on here multiple times and will again since it seems Penn fans can now comfortably joke about it.

Warren could’ve scored 100 that night.

Agree. Therefore, the state championship should be played on a grass field near Lake Michigan somewhere. 

1 hour ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Yes, when you live in the city in which the school resides you will typically just use the name of the school. In media and when talking to people who are not always familiar with the schools around the state, using Indianapolis, South Bend or Fort Wayne helps the lay person know where in the state we are talking about.  I believe there is a South Bend Washington and a Washington HS.... If someone just posted a topic saying....OMG did you see what happened at Washington over the weekend?  most people will probably think uh oh something happened in South Bend...but the thread could be about the 4A school in southern Indiana. Plus Harrell's website lists the schools from those towns above with the city name in it.

Or they just use parentheses. Carroll (Fort Wayne) or Carroll (Flora). Carroll(Fort Wayne) sits just outside city limits, so they don't get the Fort Wayne Carroll label. The high school itself has a Fort Wayne address, but many of their students have a Huntertown address. 

40 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Well it doesn't matter, now one was getting beat 57-7....unless Penn was playing in the game. 

Look at it this way. If they cut the state in half that year, Penn would have been state champions. 

6 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

I know it was a very small dataset, but you could see in the scrimmage that Westfield was going to have trouble against Ben Davis. They could not keep BD's defensive line out of their offensive backfield.

The only thing slowing BD down is the grass. You get them in the perfect indoor environment, and it's lights out. I'll argue day and night that turf favors the faster team. I think Westfield would have suffered the same fate at Crown Point. I could be wrong, just my take. 

2 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said:

 Saying Fort Wayne ( what ever school it is) helps people know where said school is located.  If you just Snider most people would have no clue where that is at.

Agree. But a team has to be located inside the city limits. Harding, for example sat on the outside of Fort Wayne city limits and was part of the East Allen County school system. However, 90% of their student body was from inside city limits. That's partially true of Carroll and Homestead. Both cities sit on the outside, with many students sitting on the inside. Long story short, if the school sits inside limits, then it's labeled as such. No ones ever said "Indianapolis Carmel." We're just left wondering where suburban schools are from...........I guess that's what google is for. 

6 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

To be fair, It is not Fort Wayne Wayne, it is just Wayne. Example, it is not Fort Wayne Snider or Fort Wayne Luers or Fort Wayne Dwenger either

That's interesting. Not very often do you hear just Jefferson, it's Lafayette Jeff. Or Riley, it's South Bend Riley. Evansville Reitz. Indianapolis Ritter. I think when a city has more than one high school, it's common to label them with the city name in front. When there is one high school, it's just named after the ciy..............Warsaw, New Haven, Angola, ect. 

7 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I'll take indy and u can have everyone else and 19 points

`Hmmm

1 hour ago, PDB26 said:

We were really good that year, and 2002 was a huge lost opportunity for Penn. 

If––not to overlook a semi-state matchup with Snider––Penn had made it to state, then Ben Davis's last three tournament games would have been against the three teams they lost to in the regular season.

Penn was good that year. Missed opportunities are a tough pill to swallow. Homestead was also very good that year. Both teams would like a do over I'm sure. 

14 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I agree there are reasons to be excited about the progression of the best teams in 6A North, but right now I am putting money down on the House. Betting odds are in their favor, it is up to the other schools to go and take it. It is like the BIG10 and the SEC. It took a generational team in Michigan to finally beat Bama and a hot team in OSU to win in 2014. 

Sometimes lightening in a bottle can win you a title, sometimes you finally have to horses to do it, but no one has sustained success like the SEC... I mean Metro Indy.  

I'm 50/50. I betting Crown Point is more than just a one year wonder. Carroll has a D1 quarterback, and Snider's defense has the potential to be as good as they were last year led by two D1 defensive backs. Weeks 1 & 2 will be interesting. Fort Wayne takes on Indy. Crown Point takes on Arizona Prep. We'll see real quick what the north is made of. 

Just now, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I know, I just find it comical how people will go after him all the time. 

He's fine with it. If he was an attorney, I'd probably hire him. 

26 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Oh boy, a feel a firestorm brewing.... you mentioned one of those buzzwords that lands in a heated debate...Thoughts and prayers. 

He's right though, regardless of what anyone thinks. I would argue that it's fact, not opinion. 

56 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

 Out of those 4 games Penn, believe it or not, has been the closest to winning the actual game. Now that was a different era of Penn football. 

Snider last year has been, I think the best team to come out of the North, that is including runner up CP last year. I think Snider would have performed better against Ben Davis than CP had. But, last years Snider Team may have been the best North team in 10 or so years. 

Until the 6A North actually changes how they schedule, we will continue to come up short against them. 

If memory serves me correctly, the difference between Penn and Center Grove that year was minimal even though the outcome was double digits. Penn wasn't exactly dead during the Yoeman era, they were just hit or miss............and never good enough to win the whole thing. But let's be honest, they were in good company in that regard. 

Snider's offense was probably average, maybe a little better than average, by Snider standard. But the defense, one of their best ever, was good enough to keep them competitive in any game in my opinion. 

I like the direction the north is headed in. The two year winning streak over suburban Indy speaks volumes. The addition of Craig Buzea I think is a game changer for the north. I think Penn should be excited about the new hire. His resume appears pretty solid. I think Dinan is committed to keeping Carroll up there as a contender in 6A. He has the resources to do it. Homestead had a downturn in talent the last couple of years. When they uptick, with the combination of beefing up their schedule, they'll be back in the conversation at some point. Elkhart has the student body and a new coach. I'm a "glass half full" regarding the north at this point. 

18 minutes ago, Bobref said:

 

Winter is coming. 🥶

Lol, good one. 

14 minutes ago, temptation said:

I mean, it’s easy to cherry pick data points to fit a narrative, but I remember how shocked I was the night that the much hyped clash between Brownsburg and Westfield (on Westfield’s turf I mind you) was over in the first half.

So, looking back no.  I don’t think Westfield was on the level of BD, Brownsburg or CG.  But I still thought they were a tier above Crown Point.

It happens. I felt the same way about Snider/Valpo in 2022. I'm sure HSE fans felt that way against Carroll last season. I felt that way when Dwenger lost to Zionsville a few years back. Sometimes enough happens for the underdog to sneak out the win. Painful to watch when you think you have a championship caliber team and they don't get it done. What shocks me more than anything is that the HCC is on a two year losing streak to "true north."

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Even though I know you are right, I’ve been repeating your first line for the last 5-6 years.  They are still on the door step and weren’t even on the right side of the property line a decade ago.  The HCC has actually won a majority of regular season head to head games against the MIC over the past 2-3 years but has choked when it matters.

I was not doing critical of your list rather replying to the fact that the previous poster claimed HSE, Fishers or Westfield would have given BD a better fight.

I thought so all season last fall and Crown Point simply showed up when it mattered.

Agree, like how Carroll showed up the season before. More on that game if you want to PM me. I just don't think it would have mattered who Ben Davis played from the north. Talent, plus turf, plus perfect weather environment = unstoppable machine. Do you think Westfield was on par with Brownsburg and Center Grove? They just had an off night? Trust me, I understand off nights. They exist. The best team doesn't always win. 

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yeah, I’m not sure you can include Westfield in that list since they lost to Crown Point though that result shocked me.

Then, you add in the fact that Westfield beat HSE and HSE beat Fishers…

Ive been overly brash about the HCC too many years in a row now.  Brownsburg broke me and now Westfield seems to be trending that way.

They’ve gotta win one soon, right?

It's just a matter of time before the HCC comes through. Still the top conference from top to bottom. If the HCC wanted to, they could make a claim that they had the best team in the state last season. They just didn't finish the job. 

I had Westfield in the next eight, I'm not sure which list you're referring to? 

22 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I agree with that 100%... I think that when it comes to the Metro Indy teams that are in the North, I don't qualify them as the North. So, I think that maybe an HSE, Fishers or Westfield would have given more of a fight, but we up across the Michigan state line just don't see the quality week in and week out to actually threaten you guys anymore. 

Fort Wayne is I think closest then CP is not far behind. Just my thoughts. 

Everyone keeps saying that, yet they've stalled at semi-state two years in a road. I'm not sure anyone out of the northern bracket would have come within 21pts last year. Ben Davis, firing on all cylinders in a perfect weather environment, was unstoppable. I think Ben Davis and Brownsburg were in a league of their own with Center Grove just on the outside looking in. Throw the next eight teams (no particular order), HSE, Fishers, Westfield, Crown Point, Snider, Chatard, Cathedral, and East Central into a blender. 

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

Wow that's crazy I cant imagine someone having multiple accounts to argue with themselves

Lol, appears to be the case. 

27 minutes ago, temptation said:

His poor grammar, spelling and wild hot takes make it so damn obvious.

I briefly doubted your speculation, I guess I don't pay close enough attention to the grammar and spelling part. But "his" participation in this topic went dead, proving your accusation to be, more than likely, accurate. I went from 50% to 98%. 

3 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

Who?

Do I really have to do this all over again? C'mon man!

13 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Why are we talking about 6A schools in a 5A thread? 😛 

We're talking about how good the 6A team is that got beat by 5A Warsaw. It qualifies :). 

14 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

Isn't their QB going to Iowa?

Yes, he's the #51 ranked quarterback in the class of 2025. Those four pick 6's came at the hands of two of the best teams in the state. He threw three interceptions the rest of the season. Ironically, two of those pick 6's came from a fellow Iowa recruit. They square off again in Week 5.