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1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

that Ben Davis team that Crown Point lost by 28 points to was lucky to come away with the win over Brownsburg (Brownsburg lead the whole game until they had poor decisions in the 4th qtr) Ben Davis won 28-25. Then in Regionals Ben Davis was fortunate to squeak out the win over Cathedral 27-24 (intercepted a pass in the end zone as time expired). Then in Seni-State it took Ben Davis OT to beat Center Grove 37-34. That is 3 teams from the Indy are that played Ben Davis within 3 points.

I think the point being made is that Crown Point is better this year than last. Crown Point has improved every year since Craig Buzea took over. If that's true this year as well, Westfield will have their hands full. Anyone who can't see that there's an upside with Crown Point is blind. 

4 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

its been very obvious you have an axe to grind with New Pal. 

I have an axe to grind because I won't consider small school New Pal as a Top 10 team? My stance on New Pal hasn't changed in a decade. Arguably the best program in the state pound for pound. One of the best coaches in the state. Respect all the way. The largest schools in the state dominate the Top 10, that's not a slight on the Dragons.  New Pal hasn't beaten anyone this year. No way this tiny school should be considered for the Top 10. Too much stock is being put into the Sagarin ratings, and posters on this forum are buying into it. I'm not. I might change my mind after Thanksgiving weekend. But right now, I've got them closer to 20. 

9 minutes ago, temptation said:

How many times do I have to rehash the Warren/BD game from last year?

Rivalry game? Bla, bla, bla. You have to admit, Carroll, who lost to HSE, who lost to Franklin Central, who was down to Roncalli, is just a bunch of nonsense. 

19 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Carroll lost to HSE

HSE and Fishers lost to Franklin Central

Franklin Central was down 13-10 at halftime to Roncalli before the game was cancelled due to lightning 

Carmel lost to Brebeuf Jesuit

Ben Davis hasn’t been the best this year.

i think New Pal, Chatard, Ev Memorial would do just fine. Still want to see what Memorial does outside of their conference so I’m not totally sure in them.

Not buying your analogy on this one. Snider crushed Warren Central last year, Ben Davis beat them by three. Didn't necessarily make Snider the best team in the state. Chatard? Sure. New Pal? No thanks. No opinion on Memorial. 

2 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Dude I’ve been in every Cathedral thread there is no stalking involved. You made digs at the rivalry I called you out on it (especially when you said there have been no competitive games the last 20 years yet just 6 years ago was a 4 point spread). I’ll call it as I see it. My comment was about Dwenger and Cathedral not Fort Wayne but you took it that way. There has been no trend.

So you're stalking Cathedral threads.........noted, dude.  Who's your affiliation with anyway? Certainly you're not an unbiased official. At least let us know the general area you live so we can make heads or tails of some of your speculations. 

13 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

No North Side this year and got spanked by Carroll. Are you counting those as ugly wins??? South Side was ugly for sure

Just speaking in general, regardless of the year. 

On 8/30/2024 at 8:36 PM, BTF said:

Lawrence North 35, North Side 13

Half

How it ended. North was scrappy, but they ran into a buzzsaw. 

On 8/30/2024 at 7:11 PM, BTF said:

North Side 7, Lawrence North 0

Here you go Temp. 

46 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Well, the Dwenger game was an ugly win, best thing I can say about it. 

Snider was certainly capable of scoring more points than they did, but Dwenger did look a little better than what I was expecting them to. Maybe because they get jacked up for this rivalry. But I am interested in see how the Saints match up with the likes of Leo, Columbia City, and East Noble...........arguably the most interesting sectional in the state. Because of the target on Snider's back, I'm starting to accept ugly wins versus Dwenger, Homestead, North Side, and Carroll. 

43 minutes ago, temptation said:

Can’t disagree on your schedule strength argument and I know this is an exercise in futility but Brownsburg has now “escaped” what turned out to be fraudulent teams in Noblesville and Fishers whereas LN has been in firm control of every game in which it has taken the field.

I know that margin of victory is often criticized when comparing teams but I don’t think it can be ignored either.

In fact, (and I don’t have the stats in front of me) I’m not sure LN has trailed AT ALL at any point in a game this season.

As for your other point, it also has some truth to it but head to head sorta becomes one of many data points the later we get into the season.  I mean, there are countless examples of teams in this poll that have an out of body experience (in either direction) one week and return to the norm the following.

I wanna say that North Side jumped out to a 7-0 lead against LN. Going off memory here, I'm pretty sure, not positive. I think you'd find that Noblesville and Fishers are pretty strong when not faced with the constant grind of Central Indiana. 

48 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Wait…what? You’re the one who interjected Fort Wayne Dwenger into a Cathedral vs Roncalli. Starting by doubting the rivalry while not knowing anything about it or its history then proceeded to double down with comments to another poster.  Aside from stating doesn’t Dwenger need to be better than 1-8 vs Cathedral to be on equal footing I’ve not said anything bad about the Summit. I stand by the statement, sorry if that hurt your feelings.

i think you would have seen the same result in 2015 as many other Cathedral/Dwenger games. 2015 Cathedral lost a double OT game to Avon in 6A Regionals (Avon lost to CG in double OT the next week). 2018-2019 might have been closer

Yes, I asked FootballKing a question and you felt the need to "interject." I asked him because I respect his opinion on the matter. This was never supposed to be a "beat up" session on the Irish, a program I happen to respect. Simply wondering why they are playing at a higher level now then they were a couple of decades ago. When I don't know, I ask. But thank you for proving my point that Dwenger and Cathedral weren't much different  in the 80's and 90's. 

You always stalk my posts and make snide remarks when I mention something good about Fort Wayne. Just seems to be a trend is all. But hey, I'm all in. The entertainment you provide me when you attack is priceless. 

3 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Doesn’t Dwenger need to have a better record than 1-8 to be considered equal footing? Plenty of blowouts in there.

The games look pretty competitive to me prior to 2010, not so much after that. Thanks for proving my point. Why do your feelings get massively crushed every time I mention anything good about Fort Wayne. What kind of trauma do you have that's associated with this city?

I suppose you also think Cathedral would have beaten Dwenger in 83, 90, and 91, lol . The Saints would have been competitive with Cathedreal in 15, 18, and 19...............which does actually contradict my point. 

Still wondering though, why the hatred for the Summit City? Is it their 22 state championships? Is it the massive number of athletes they produce for the size of the city? Where is this jealousy coming from? Relax, take your time. 

3 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Doesn’t Dwenger need to have a better record than 1-8 to be considered equal footing? Plenty of blowouts in there.

The games look pretty competitive to me prior to 2010, not so much after that. Thanks for proving my point. Why do your feelings get massively crushed every time I mention anything good about Fort Wayne. What kind of trauma do you have that's associated with this city?

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

Me too.  But winning games matters.  New Pal has been doing it with ease, HSE hasn’t.

Now that could all change next Friday night as the Royals have a tremendous opportunity in front of them.

I mean, Ben Davis is 3-5, which is clearly undeserving of being ranked in the top 25 but if you ask me to match up the Giants against any of the teams ranked 8-25, I am probably taking them 50+% of the time.

Strength of schedule matters too, does it not? 

Hard for me to argue your point on Ben Davis. But I'm not betting on them beating Chatard, HSE, or Carroll. They'd be a flip of the coin against Snider or Merrillville. Yes, Merrillville. I do like their chances against most of the other teams though. 

If you want to know why I still have decent regard for Snider, it's because I still think they have one of the best defenses in the state. It could keep them in most games outside of your Top 7. 

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Nope, but I will say I have East Noble on my “first five out” list.

As far as New Pal, I’m just gonna continue to believe and reward winning, especially comfortably.

After FC beat HSE last night, that turned teams after the top 7 upside down.  Can’t put Carroll ahead of HSE.  Gotta drop the Royals somewhere.  New Pal and Chatard are beneficiary.

So if your life depended on it, you bet on New Pal beating HSE? If my life were on the line, I'm taking the Royals. 

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

These were neck and neck programs 20 years ago. One took off and the other took their ball and went home at the first sign of adversity. 

Every game since 20 years ago has been a blowout, can you blame them? You have to admit, for whatever reason, Cathedral is playing at a much higher level now than they were 20-30 years ago despite no change in enrollment. They were no better than Dwenger back then, now they're rumbling with the state's best. What changed?

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

And the CG final score looks closer than it actually was.

Agree, that was a blowout. 

Poll looks good, I still think New Pal is too high. They haven't beaten anyone to garner Top 10 credibility. Sorry. The Sagarin guys are will disagree with me, but look no further than where he has East Noble ranked. For the love of God, I hope you're not using Sagarin as a source. 

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Gotcha.

Look, I'm a realist. I'm not going to pretend to know Indianapolis like you guys down there. All I have to go by is numbers. I also looked pretty foolish in predicting a Roncalli upset, so maybe all my credibility goes out the window. But................give a team like Cathedral two weeks to prepare, and that could be all she wrote for Lawrence North. Not saying it will happen, but it could. Underestimate the Irish and you're done. I think LN is hungry, so they won't be underestimating anyone. They just have the misfortune of facing Cathedral when the Irish have two weeks (potentially) to prepare. If I'm Cathedral, I'm BEGGING to draw LN in the first round. For the same reason I'm begging for Snider to draw Carroll in the first round. Good coaching staffs are difficult to beat with two weeks on the table. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

So you have FIVE teams in it to win it?

I really think four, with Cathedral, WC and Center Grove on the outside looking in. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

I’m just speaking to the speed aspect.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Its palpable.

Hey, they're good, I get it. I saw their offense first hand. But Westfield, Brownburg, and Crown Point are well run programs. Hell, give Cathedral's staff two weeks to prepare, and they could upend LN. 

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Never thought it’d say this but I’m still waiting for Warren to beat a great (sorry Snider and Warsaw) team.  

No need to be sorry, Snider's not great this season. Warsaw isn't even on the radar of being great. Snider will be a non factor up north unless they revisit the offense they ran against Homestead. And even if they do that, they're still just a Top 10 team instead of Top 15. The state champion is going to come from one of four teams this year. That's just the way it is. 

13 minutes ago, temptation said:

The difference in team speed between Lawrence north and the rest of the field this year is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

Can we honestly say that? Let's not pretend that Brownsburg and Westfield aren't REALLY good. And Crown Point gets better every year. Hard to count them out completely right now. I still think it's a crapshoot between three, maybe four teams. There's something missing at Warren Central. I don't know enough about the inner workings in their program, but something just seems off. Maybe it's just lack of playmakers on offense. 

26 minutes ago, WarrenGrad12 said:

I still wouldn’t count out Warren and here’s why: it’s not necessarily about their ability to beat LN because LN is going to have a tough road before a potential rematch. The question is: would Warren be able to beat Center Grove and that’s a good question. I don’t know but I think it’s a better shot than if they played LN again. 
 

Many times the team you think is going to go through gets beat and it opens things up greatly. Warren’s offense looked much much better last night with a different QB both passing and rushing. We shall see.

Not counting them out completely, I just have my Top 5 at this point, and WC sits at #6. I really think the state champion is going to come from the Top 3 right now. 

7 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

100% NOT surprised by this. It is a shame, but I am not surprised.

You have to go back two decades to really find any competitive games between these two. I doubt Roncalli ever had any intention of extending this series beyond a home and home. 

On 10/10/2024 at 6:38 PM, PHJIrish said:

There will be no letdown in this game.  This is a big rivalry and both teams will be made aware of that.  

It's a big rivalry game because they meet in the playoffs sometimes? Help me out here. I'm far away and don't know any better. 

11 minutes ago, temptation said:

38-35.

I guess I spoke too soon. Good teams find a way to win.