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  1. 3 hours ago, Blitz said:

    Carroll is going big. Like BIG. Center Grove, Warren, HSE and Merrillville all on the table. Perhaps even Fishers. Obviously only two per year but the Chargers want to take advantage of the opportunity to schedule up. 

    Good for Carroll. HSE, Merrillville, and Fishers all provide a competitive matchup with programs of equal caliber, but from different areas of the state. I'd love to see them land one of those schools along with either GC or Warren. The latter two schools give the Chargers an opportunity to see size and speed not likely to be seen from their SAC counterparts. 

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  2. 3 hours ago, footballfan2012 said:

    I am biased to Owen Valley in the WIC lol, but I think Northview will always have talent in the big school side. Sullivan and Owen Valley have the more winnable Sectional. In the small school side, I believe Greencastle has the best facilities and South Putnam has the most "community" support. 


    For the SAC it would have to be Carroll. They have a student body of 2500 and continues the grow as the fastest growing area of Fort Wayne. Throw in the new 8 million dollar stadium and it starts to become a no brainer. It probably doesn't matter though. On the surface, Coach Dinan appears to be passionate enough to stick around for awhile. 

  3. 2 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

    Yeah I will chime in here that East Noble is no joke. They are as good of a program as any school Warsaw has scheduled in past years in their out of conference schedule. Part of me wishes that game could have stayed on the schedule for the foreseeable future while Warsaw shifted the other game to more of a rotating team, but I also like Warsaw's additions of Michigan City and Chesterton.

    At the same time - just because Warsaw added a 6A Chesterton team doesn't mean the Tigers schedule is any better. One could argue over the last decade, 4A East Noble has been a much better program than Chesterton, so who is really making Warsaw better? The 4A Knights or 6A Trojans?

    It looks like over the last decade they were about equal five years and EN the better team five years. East Noble is the better program it appears. For Warsaw, Chesterton is a step down. I'd like to hear thoughts from someone closer to the Duneland conference. HHF maybe. 

    I think some Snider fans are wondering why they would schedule a program that would rank 5th or 6th in the SAC most years. That's not an attack on East Noble and it's a fair question. Snider, Dwenger, Homestead, Carroll, and Luers are pretty good programs.  Personally, I like the idea of playing East Noble as long as they pick up a 6a team or a strong 5a team as their other opponent. Another 4a program or a low 5a program would make this all for naught. If that were to happen, it certainly wouldn't be by design. Probably more of an indication that scheduling isn't as easy as we were hoping it would be. 

    I have the upmost respect for what Amstutz has done with EN's program. I see the Knights as a team that will, at the minimum, maintain it's level of play or become widely considered one of the Top 5 programs in 4a. 

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  4. 4 hours ago, Knightsfan_01 said:

    I agree.  It was a great get for EN to get Snider on the schedule for 4 years.  I know the coaching staffs of both teams have tremendous respect for each other so I knew this was a possibility.   I'm just surprised at how quickly it was announced, and wonder what other schools Snider had to consider. 

    And like someone above said I would expect Snider to now look for a bigger/tougher school to play in week 1.

    I like what Luke Amstutz is doing at East Noble. Going after schools like Cathedral, Penn, Snider, and Warsaw goes to show that he's serious about building and maintaining a program. 

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  5. 36 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

    For those that think this is a 'step back' for Snider....PULEEZE!   East Noble is formidable is every way!   

    Who said it was a step back? I don't recall anyone saying that. I do recall a couple of posters saying they were surprised. I don't think anyone was expecting a 4a school. But hey, I'm sure the Snider staff knows what they are doing. 

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  6. 6 hours ago, Knightsfan_01 said:

    I hear ya there.  I'm honestly surprised Snider scheduled EN so quickly. 

    It looks like EN was one of many teams that they reached out to. The Knights jumped on it quickly and boom, one of the open weeks is secured. I imagine we'll come to find that the next opponent will be at the highest level of 5a or a 6a opponent from the Indy area. If that doesn't come to fruition, it's certainly not because Snider didn't reach out and try. 

  7. 1 hour ago, temptation said:

    So, do you also hold those same standards to SEC football?

    Huge unfair advantage in the southeast.

    In other words, can I walk around claiming Michigan has a better “program” than Bama/Georgia despite the recent on the field results indicating otherwise?

    (I may get that put on a t-shirt.)

    I think you're comparing apples to oranges. It's more of a recruiting thing than an SEC thing. High schools, most of them anyway, don't have the opportunity to recruit over a widespread area like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, and Georgia do. Part of what makes a good program at the college level is your ability to recruit..........at any cost. At the high school level, you're at the mercy of the kids residing in your district. 

  8. 2 minutes ago, temptation said:

    Man, your hatred of Carmel is palpable.

    (I will give you credit on your Snider/Homestead basketball prediction however.)

    I don't hate Carmel. I just get defensive when at comments like "going through the north without breaking a sweat." Or claims that their program is superior to their counterparts without disclosing that they have an unfair advantage. Better team? Yes. Better program? Absolutely not.

    Yesterdays game at Homestead was a doubleheader. The Lady Spartans #1, defeated Snider #9, by 5 points. Heard the gymnasium was a sellout. Turns out both fan bases were able to leave the gym proud of their teams performance. 

  9. 10 minutes ago, temptation said:

    You’re once again assuming Snider returns to being Snider…those games were not recent enough for me use then as data/talking points.

    Fair evaluation of the Panthers performance over the past four years. But not a morsel of evidence that Carmel could beat them without breaking a sweat during any time period over the last four decades. 

  10. 49 minutes ago, DE said:

    When Carmel has gone north recently, and made it to state, haven’t they also won state?

    They were north in 2020/2021

    2019     Won state

    2018     State Runner-up

    2017     Third best team in the north. Never made it Lucas

    2016     Won state 

    2015     Didn't make it, lost to Penn. Wouldn't have made it past regional if Snider didn't get bumped down.

    2014     Escaped Penn by one point before losing to Ben Davis at Lucas



  11. 2 minutes ago, temptation said:

    What is not debatable, however is the fact that no northern Indiana program is even close to their level

    Nor should they be. It's not a fair fight.

    4 minutes ago, temptation said:

    no northern Indiana program will make them sweat.

    Snider makes them sweat every time. If you think Carmel's coaching staff thinks they can walk into a Snider game with their team half asleep, you might consider talking to one of them. 

  12. 14 hours ago, temptation said:

    Snider could prove me wrong (and the way they turned it on late in 2021 got me halfway back on board) but right now I see them as a 5A contender and not much more.  

    Fair assessment. Snider had a good team in 2021. Not compared to great teams of Snider's past, but still pretty good. After handling Dwenger in the regular season, they were probably looking ahead to Zionsville a little bit. They love knocking heads with Indy. 

  13. 14 hours ago, temptation said:

    Carmel is so far above those programs it’s not even funny.

    Above? In terms of what? Enrollment only....... the way I see it. If Homestead had 5000 kids the results would be different. 

    A great program would win state 2/3 of the time with that kind of student population. 

  14. 18 minutes ago, temptation said:

    If that schedule comes to fruition, add Carmel to the list of non-Indy teams that needs to beef up its schedule to play with the 6A powers.

    Maybe TWO of those contests would be competitive after halftime.

    Agree. Most those schools don't have the resources to compete with a school 2-3 times their enrollment. 

  15. 9 hours ago, Staxawax said:

    I think they certainly would, along with Cathedral. I tend to agree with temp as mudas proposed schedule would be competitive if Carmel sent their JV on the field. Louisville Trinity, Westfield (the Rocks REALLY want this one) HSE or Fishers, Snider and one of the Catholic League powers out of Cincy.

    The schedule Muda proposed looks good if for some reason teams from the MIC and HCC didn't want to schedule them. 

  16. 24 minutes ago, temptation said:

    So 9-0 with an average margin of victory of 20+ points per game?

    Got it.

    1.  What evidence do you have that those teams would “hit Carmel in the mouth?”

    2.  What makes you think Carmel would have to “put its best foot forward” to win any of those contests?

    They may end up getting one or more of those teams on the schedule but they will be way down the priority list if all else fails.

    It makes me no bit of difference if Carmel schedules them or not. I just said they would accept the challenge. Sounds like you are in the mood for an argument. 

    1. Snider hits them in the mouth every time. Homestead and Carroll continue to get better. Carmel would be the favorites, but let's not play pretend that teams in Fort Wayne are a bunch of chumps. 

    2. They do every time they play a Fort Wayne school. They know they can't fall asleep against schools up here in the Fort. If they do, they are done. They play Homestead with the same intensity they play Snider (a series that speaks for itself). Probably why they beat the Spartans by 3 or 4 touchdowns when they play. I guarantee they are doing that by "not putting their best foot forward." 

    You're taking a step backward here Temp. Very unlike you. I tell other posters that you know your football. But maybe you don't know the Carmel program as well as you think you do. I mean for crying out loud, in another thread you compared them to a school half their size!!!!

  17. 1 hour ago, temptation said:

    Those matchups are last resorts…true nothing to gain/everything to lose propositions for Carmel.


    Just saying those four teams would accept the challenge. Always a challenge when the team you are playing is double your enrollment. At least Carmel knows those teams will hit them in the mouth. I agree with "nothing to gain, everything to lose." No one wants to lose to a smaller school. But any matchup that  causes you to put your best foot forward to win the game, is a good matchup. I doubt Carmel looks at it the way you do. 

  18. 49 minutes ago, Blitz said:

    Part of the rationale with the new format was to pit the SAC against the best Indiana has to offer. I don't foresee teams in the SAC seeking out opponents outside of the state before they have exhausted all opportunities with teams inside Indiana that will give them a proper challenge. 

    Absolutely. This is an epic move for the SAC. When it was announced that that new format was being discussed, lots of discussion ensued regarding the possibilities. There's no doubt that the state of Indiana is loaded with marquee programs outside of the SAC to match themselves against. And I get the idea that in-state games gives you a better evaluation of how you stack up against your playoff counterparts. That was the goal. Goal realized. Schedule the games. But the fans do appreciate the border wars..............for what it's worth. Looking forward to seeing who is matching up with who. Keep the updates rolling in!

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