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    Victory Formation... When is enough ENOUGH with the Defense?

    in Officiating Forum

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    I may be in the the minority, but either way, just my opinion:  If there is a reasonable chance that B could regain possession and ultimately score to tie or win, then play the snap if you want, assuming both sides of the ball are on the same page and aware of the intent.  If my team had the ball and the opposition wanted to fire out and try to get it?  Go for it man, I'm not offended.  I'm telling the OL to pass pro and and clench the win.  That said... yeah, I'd prefer pack up and go home, whichever side of the scoreboard I'm on.  I have work tomorrow and I'm probably wanting a strong drink by that point if I'm coaching a bunch of 12-13 yo's.

    I get the other side of the argument, too.  It is traditionally a gentleman's agreement with taking a knee, let's accept the L and move on.  And I'm no Schiano/Bucs fanboy either.  I just don't see anything for either team to get upset about as long as each side and the officials are all aware of the intent. Otherwise, why is there a distinction of "9 or more points" regarding the victory formation?  THAT I get, and 100% agree with.  Nine points goes from a 1:100 or 1:1000 chance to... way, WAY bigger odds.  Not sure how many zeros there, but probably a lot.  That's no longer what I would consider a reasonable chance, and I think that's why the rule is written the way it is.

    Maybe we can petition the rules committee to make a new rule to completely take the snaps out of the equation:  If the offense has ANY more points than the defense, the HC on the offense can throw up a Nixon-esque double peace sign and declare victory without snapping the ball, but only if the defense is unable to stop the game clock from expiring relative to the number of timeouts they have remaining.  Sort of like the MLB four finger intentional walk.  AND they have to yell "Winner, winner, chicken dinner!" when declaring the sans-snap victory, or the offense is penalized for "failure to declare chicken dinner".  Not sure what the penalty for that would be... 

    Seriously though, I get your frustration and I'm not dismissing it.  Particularly when it comes to otherwise meaningless games at the MS level.  Move it along, mini-Schiano, I gots me some bourbons to drink. 😂

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    Gibson Southern and Vincennes Switcharoo?

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    3 hours ago, Thornton Melon said:

    as a wrestling fan, gs against memorial, north or reitz is not pretty

    GS only lost to Reitz in 20/21 34-48. Reitz rolled GS 21/22 by a kajillion, maybe two kajillion. My son has had some success vs North: lost by decision 12-16 in 2020/21, won by tech fall 15-0 21/22. I don't recall team scores, but pretty sure 20/21 was closer than 21/22. I don't remember scores of either though. I don't recall meeting Memorial. Could be selective memory, though. 😂

    2022 3A outlook

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    3 hours ago, Titan32 said:

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    Dats a lotta 🌽

    My role at GS includes ensuring the area just north of the end zone is adequately ballasted by my a** in playoff games held during hurricane season so the turf doesn't fly away. And though I commute to Illinois for work, I live in Haubstadt purely for the convenience of being able to stumble home from Sommerfest every year. The only trick is figuring out which direction to go from the beer garden to find my way... Is it a right just past the lemon shake up stand? Or is it left after the walking tacos? They keep moving these damn things. I am a minority owner of the internet. Our corporate distributions are Handsome, with a capital H. Mostly ad revenue from p*rn sites and cat videos, oddly enough.

    ^^^THIS is nothing positive added, so feel free to call me out on it. Tho, it may be a waste of keystrokes for you. 😉

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    2022 3A outlook

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    1 hour ago, Just a dad said:

    Thanks @DumfriesYMCA. What about specific players? Upper classmen? Under classmen? Under the radar? 

    I have it on background that GS has been actively recruiting out of state for a new QB1.  He probably won't be ready this week, but should be by the time we hit the Mt Vernon/Princeton/Boonville home stretch.  The hope is that those three games will get him familiar with the offensive scheme by the time sectionals roll around.  Word is that he's not quite the speedy running QB that GS historically has had, but Coach Hart really wanted to get back to that pocket passer type of guy since we had some success with it last couple of years.  I did hear something about possibly having some eligibility issues, but I'm sure the GS admin can get that sorted out.

    #ThinkFastRunFast
    #FastChad
    #Homeschooled

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    Blocked Field Goal Live?

    in Officiating Forum

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    2 hours ago, AW0352 said:

    Reason I ask…

    JV game had a blocked FG.  Defense picked it up and ran it 75 yards back for a TD.  One of the officials blew the whistle when it was recovered.   Time was at 0:00 in the half.   They declared an inadvertent whistle.   The team that blocked the FG got the ball for one untimed down.   They threw a pick 6.  

    Double ouch.

    4th Down IG

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    2 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    Along the same lines last night I was working a throw together crew in a JV game. H throws his flag straight up in the air just after the ball is snapped. A 1/10 runs 11 yards. I stop the clock and go to the H, he’s got B lined up in the neutral zone. 
    My options are:

    A) Go back to the original LOS and mark off 5 yards and replay the down. 
    B) Wave it off. 
    C) Give the signal and decline it. 
    A’s not fair in my opinion. 
    B’s probably the easiest. 
    C seems most reasonable to me because it covers what happened and doesn’t penalize A for our mistake. It’s also going to be the most confusing when I give the signal. 
    What do you do?

    Jeez.

    If you're a stickler, I guess A would be the "right" answer since the play should be shut down.  I suppose you could tell the coaches that the head linesman's whistle got clogged up with sunflower seed shells and no one could actually hear him.  But yeah, unfair to the offense... plus it is JV, and we all want to get home at some point. 😂

    B if you don't want to own up to it, sweep that sucker under the rug.

    C is probably the best answer for the circumstances.  Although the B coach might want to fight you FOR penalizing his team... that might be a first.

    Gibson Southern and Vincennes Switcharoo?

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    This feels like a late winter/early spring thread. Everyone is getting antsy from being cooped up all winter, HS football has been over for months, the state championship games are all talked out, DT has seven parallel contraction threads and is on his ninth "Screw you guys, I'm going home" tour (Eric Cartman voice), and there is absolutely nothing else to talk about.

    I kid, I kid.

    But yeah, can't imagine any truth to this. I have zero insight, but it just doesn't make sense.

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    Packers 2022

    in The Next Level

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    11 minutes ago, Irishman said:

    Just browsing through various sites and seeing the comments. Moments like this are why I love the internets lol

    We all obviously have our homer fans. Some of the Bears homers saying "it was obvious", "He was in by a mile", and the ones with refs doing the Lambeau Leap are just gold. 

    Probably need to see a few frames before and after this one to get a better idea. But many are saying they can see the ball clearly. I know I got bad eyesight, but sheesh. It is definitely one that if it were called a TD, it stands, just as the call made stood; no way to overturn either. That said, I do think he was in. BUT...no way in hell is it obvious or even by a mile. 
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    (Full disclosure: Bears fan here).  In real time speed I can 100% see why they called it short.  In super-duper slo-mo, I can kinda-almost-sorta see that it probably-likely-plausibly was a score.  But I'd concur that if it was called a TD it would have stood.  ...probably.  lol

    Gibson Southern (5-0) at Heritage Hills (3-2)

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    2 hours ago, HHPatriots said:

    And yes he is leading the team in tackles, but he is doing that as a DB not a linebacker.

    I guess it may depend on how the HH defense uses their DBs on run fits, but having one lead the team in tackles can't be a good sign for the overall D performance, right?  I don't mean that as a disparaging comment or for bulletin board material.  I've just not seen a DB lead in tackles when the front 7/8 are performing as you'd like.  I speak from personal experience from roughly two and a half decades ago... and it wasn't a good thing in that instance.  Some of us preferred getting PBUs and INTs, not taking on bearded 195# RBs who slobbered at the chance to try to steamroll a baby faced CB.  Almost thought about getting one of those giant old school linebacker neck rolls, but I digress. lol

    That just made me check back a few seasons to look at the HH ppg allowed. It looks like right at 19/game so far in 2022.  Last year it was under 10 (excluding the two GS games).  2019 was closer to 6 (excluding the Chatard game), and 2018 was about the same.  The 2022 HH offense looks to be throwing up plenty of points and the two losses on paper look to be pretty close... basically less than two scores away from being 5-0.  I know it is still early and HH is always dangerous, but that ~20 ppg allowed seems very out of the ordinary.  Do you think it is a matter of moving some pieces around or tweaking the scheme some to better fit the players in place?  Or is this sort of just an odd year for the D?

    4th Down IG

    in Officiating Forum

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    9 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

    Is there a possibility they declined the penalty to get the ball? Possibly the WH didn’t know/offer loss of down aspect? MS games are a good place for young officials learning or trying new positions. 
     

    I'd say that this may be the most likely scenario.

    4th Down IG

    in Officiating Forum

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    4 hours ago, foxbat said:

    It sounds like there was some convincing or discovery that there was a receiver in the area and thus incomplete pass and turnover on downs at the original LOS.  In essence the flag is waived off.  I've seen this a couple of times in the past and both times it was because of a tackle-eligible situation caused by a shift of the end/receiver who then uncovered him.  In both cases, the offensive team's coach had informed the ref that the tackle would be eligible.  In one of the cases, the announcement was made to everyone and it was one of those "Oh, yeah, that's right, you told us" and the flag was waived off.  In the other case, one ref had been informed and he didn't inform other folks.  Again, it was one of those, "Hey, it's not an issue as that tackle that stayed in and blocked was actually eligible."  Your described situation seems like the flag was waived off, but no indication of such was made to the stands.

    Well, let's say some video backs up the IG call (no one including eligible tackle). Would my original assumption of 1-10 fo B on the A 30 be correct? I'm not necessarily claiming the officials made a mistake here, I'm actually questioning whether the B HC declined the penalty because he didn't know he'd get the ball if he accepted. All speculation either way on the discussion between all parties, I'm more curious to know if my understanding of the  call would be correct.

    4th Down IG

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    This is a middle school thing I recently observed and I can't really recall ever seeing it before. I'm making up most of the details, but the essence is there.

    Fourth and ten from the A 40, QB is being sacked at the A 30 and blindly flings it to the A35 and there is no eligible receiver within 15 yards. Obviously IG (to this layman at least). Flag come out, signal is IG.

    I don't know what the discussion was between the B coach and the white hat, but ultimately B takes over 1st and ten at the A 40 (original LOS).

    Wouldn't an option for the B team be to accept the penalty, mark off ten yards, and take over at the A 30?

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