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    Kick Off Return

    in Officiating Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Bobref said:

     

    Let me clarify. The situation you initially reported did not have the phrase “on his own,” or “intentionally,” as is used in the case book. The complete play and ruling in the case book is as follows:

    “9.6.2 SITUATION C K1 free-kicks the ball toward the sideline. R1 runs to a sideline and intentionally steps out of bounds. While R1 is still out of bounds, he intentionally touches the ball as it nears the sideline. The ball is declared dead by the covering official. RULING: Illegal participation by R1. (4-3-1, 6-1-9)”

    If that accurately describes the play in question, then the correct ruling is illegal participation on R.

    Ahh, so big difference to the NFL there. What does NCAA say?

    Temp’s Top 25 (10/15)

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    42 minutes ago, Andrean4life said:

    Don’t let him lie to you. It wasn’t even the B team. I went to the game. 
     

    there varsity was tied with them at end of 1st half. Then merrillville came out and took a 10-7 lead in 3rd. And then after that they subbed 7 freshman in on defense. So the defense had people who hadn’t played varsity all year. And there offense wasn’t all out of wack. They had 5 turnovers I believe and Chesterton got points on all of them I believe 

    Cody, are you trying to tell us that Merrillville's own reported Digital Scout stats are wildly inaccurate?

    Someone needs to lose a stat job before the sectional starts.

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    Temp’s Top 25 (10/15)

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Piratefan101 said:

    Good win for Chesterton: but we also frkm what I understand haven’t looked at our opponents film in weeks. We have been looking 4-5 weeks down road. So take that as you will. 

    😂

    I take that one of two ways:

    1. This is a program that doesn't know what they are doing, or

    2. You don't know what you're talking about.

    Considering this seems to be, overall, an otherwise solid program, I'll take "You don't know what you're talking about" for $500, Alex.

    • Haha 1

    SIAC Week 9

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, combthehair said:

    Boonville showed that Gibson Southern can be scored on. With Hunt and that defense playing like it did weeks 1-3, you guys are in a perfect place to play spoiler. 

    Don't be fooled, if you paid close attention you'd notice that GS intentionally spotted Boonville 14 before the Titans actually began playing in earnest in an effort to equalize the contest. Honestly, how in the world could a team score 2 TDs on straight possessions without seeing 2nd down if it wasn't part of a well orchestrated Titan game plan? Even so, GS still covered the spread.

    I kid, I kid.

    Looking forward to an exciting game vs the Alices! Fans better arrive early at the Jewell if they want a good seat!!

    Gibson Southern (8-0) at Boonville (6-2)

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by Esso Ayche
    Spelleng.

    1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

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    19 3rd down attempts…7 4th down attempts…..

    61 rush attempts?!?!?!? 400 yards rushing from GS?  
     

    Whatever way is needed to get the job done. PAC Champs! 

    This game was, uh, interesting to watch. BV scored 14 points and had a kajillion and seven rushing yard average in, like, 3.9 nanoseconds. And and then... basically nothing. Spurts here and there. Admittedly, my butt was starting to get puckered tighter than a snare drum after that second one. But the boys appeared more or less unphased. They came out the next drive, buckled down, and TCOB from 3.9 nanoseconds on.

    Whatever game plan BV had on those first two plays 👏 👏 👏

    Not sure what they had planned from third down on, but a top notch start.

    What if the sectionals were seeded?

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, crimsonace1 said:

    I tried to take a crack one-man seeding committee, using Sagarin ratings, head-to-head matchups and other criteria a ratings committee might use. I would've pulled MaxPreps ratings in but I don't have unlimited time ;). This could be a fun exercise if we put a "seeding committee" together for each class. 

    Anyway, here goes. 

    Class 6A

    Sectional 1

    1. Crown Point (8-0, 2-0 H2H)

    2. Lafayette Jeff (6-2, no H2H but has higher Sagarin than LC)

    3. Lake Central (4-4)

    4. Portage (1-7)

    Sectional 2

    1. Carroll (8-0)

    2. Penn (6-2, has H2H win vs. Elkhart)

    3. Elkhart (7-1)

    4. Warsaw (6-2, has lowest Sagarin rating)

    Sectional 3

    1. HSE (8-0, H2H win vs. Fishers)

    2. Fishers (5-3, higher Sagarin than Homestead)

    3. Homestead (4-4)

    4. Northrop (1-7)

    Sectional 4

    1. Westfield (5-3, 2-0 vs. sectional)

    2. Carmel (5-3, no games vs. sectional). Can split hairs between them & Westfield

    3. Zionsville (4-4, H2H win vs. Noblesville)

    4. Noblesville (2-6, 0-2 vs. sectional)

    Sectional 5

    1. Brownsburg (8-0, 2-0 vs. sectional)

    2. Ben Davis (5-3, 2-1 vs. sectional)

    3. Avon (1-7, has higher Sagarin)

    4. Pike (1-7, has lower Sagarin than Avon)

    Sectional 6

    1. Cathedral (6-1, highest Sagarin)

    2. Lawrence Central (4-4, 2-0 vs. sectional)

    3. Lawrence North (3-5, 1-1 vs. sectional, lost to LC)

    4. North Central (0-8)

    Sectional 7

    1. Warren Central (4-4, has played 7 6A schools, highest Sagarin)

    2. Perry Meridian (3-5, win vs. Southport)

    3. Tech (1-7)

    4. Southport (0-8)

    Sectional 8

    1. Center Grove (7-1, 7-0 vs. 6A teams)

    2. Franklin Central (3-5, but significantly higher Sagarin, 3 wins vs. 6A)

    3. Columbus North (4-4, but only 1-0 vs. 4A, lower Sagarin than FC)

    4. Jeffersonville (1-6)

    Class 5A

    Sectional 9

    1. Merrillville (7-1, 3-0 vs. 5A, highest Sagarin by far)

    2. Hammond Central (6-2, H2H win vs. Morton, higher Sagarin)

    3. Munster (3-5, H2H win vs. Morton)

    4. Hammond Morton (0-8)

    Sectional 10 (this one is really tough, but they all play H2H and all 3 - Chesterton, LaPorte and Mich City - have identical Duneland records)

    1. Valparaiso (5-3, only team with winning record, 3-0 vs. sectional)

    2. LaPorte (2-6, 2-1 H2H vs. sectional)

    3. Michigan City (2-6, 1-2 vs. sectional)

    4. Chesterton (3-5, but 0-3 vs. sectional and 5A. Does have two 6A wins. Has higher Sagarin than LaPorte & Mich City)

    Sectional 11

    1. Mishawaka (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional

    2. Concord (3-5) 1-1 vs. sectional, H2H win vs. Goshen

    3. SB Adams (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Goshen

    4. Goshen (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, lower Sagarin than Adams

    Sectional 12

    1. FW Snider (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. North Side

    2. FW North (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional, has H2H win vs. Dwenger

    3. FW Dwenger (5-3)

    4. Anderson (3-5)

    Sectional 13

    1. Harrison (7-1). Clear-cut #1

    2. Plainfield (3-5) Has H2H win vs. Decatur

    3. Decatur Central (3-5) H2H loss vs. Plainfield

    4. McCutcheon (2-6)

    Sectional 14

    1. Whiteland (7-1). Clear-cut #1

    2. Franklin (6-2). Higher Sagarin, good record in tough conference

    3. TH South (5-3). H2H win vs. North

    4. TH North (2-6)

    Sectional 15

    1. Bloomington South (6-1). Clear-cut #1

    2. Bloomington North (4-4) H2H win vs. East

    3. Columbus East (4-4) H2H win vs. Seymour

    4. Seymour (6-2). H2H loss vs. East, lower Sagarin

    Sectional 16

    1. Castle (5-3) H2H win vs. North

    2. Evansville North (4-4). Higher Sagarin

    3. Floyd Central (3-5). Has a 5A win

    4. New Albany (2-6). 0-4 vs. 5A teams, lowest Sagarin by far

    Class 4A

    Sectional 17

    1. New Prairie (7-1). Best record, 3-0 vs. class, H2H win vs. Lowell

    2. Hobart (5-3) 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Culver, Lowell, KV, Highland

    3. Lowell (5-3). 2-2 vs. sectional. Wins vs. KV, Highland

    4. Gary West (6-2). 3-1 vs. 4A teams, 2-0 vs. sectional. Wins vs. Highland, EC

    5. Kankakee Valley (4-4). 0-2 vs. sectional

    6. Culver Academy (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional

    7. Highland (2-6). Higher Sagarain than EC

    8. East Chicago (2-6). 

    Sectional 18

    1. NorthWood (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional, unbeaten

    2. Northridge (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Wawasee & Plymouth. 

    3. Logansport (6-2). Better record but weaker schedule than Northridge

    4. SB Riley (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. Washington)

    5. SBSJ (2-6). Higher Sagarin

    6. Wawasee (1-7). Higher Sagarin, has a sectional win (vs. Plymouth)

    7. SB Washington (2-6). Low Sagarin

    8. Plymouth (0-8). Winless

    Sectional 19

    1. Columbia City (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. DeKalb, NH, EN, Leo

    2. Leo (5-3). H2H win vs. Angola (also NH, EN)

    3. Angola (6-2). H2H loss vs. Leo, win vs. EN

    4. New Haven (4-4). Higher Sagarain, H2H win vs. EN & DeKalb

    5. East Noble (3-5). H2H win vs. DeKalb, 1-3 vs. sectional

    6. DeKalb (3-5). These flip if Wayne wins & DeKalb loses this weekend

    7. FW Wayne (2-6). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. South)

    8. FW South (0-8)

    Sectional 20

    1. Kokomo (8-0)

    2. Western (5-3) Higher Sagarin than Miss

    3. Mississinewa (5-3) 

    4. Muncie Central (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional

    5. Huntington North (2-6) H2H win vs. Jay County

    6. Jay County (2-6)

    7. Frankfort (1-7)

    8. Marion (0-8)

    Sectional 21

    1. Roncalli (7-1). Highest Sagarin

    2. Mooresville (6-2). Lower Sagarin than Brebeuf but better record vs. good schedule. Could flip based on weekend results. 2-0 vs. 4A

    3. Brebeuf (4-3). Good Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional, 1-1 vs. 4A. 

    4. Lebanon (6-2). No games vs. sectional, 2-0 vs. 4A

    5. Northview (5-3). Lower Sagarin than Lebanon

    6. Attucks (5-2). H2H wins vs. Shortridge & Washington

    7. Shortridge (4-4) H2H win vs. Washington

    8. Indpls. Washington (1-7)

    Sectional 22

    1. New Palestine (8-0). H2H wins vs. PH, G-C, NC, MV

    2. Mt. Vernon (5-3). H2H win vs. G-C, PH, NC

    3. Greenfield-Central (5-3). H2H win vs. PH

    4. Pendleton Heights (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (W vs. New Castle)

    5. Beech Grove (4-4). Higher Sagarin than New Castle. 

    6. Connersville (4-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (Richmond)

    7. New Castle (2-6). Higher Sagarin & better record than Conn, but worse record

    8. Richmond (0-8)

    Sectional 23

    1. East Central (7-1, highest Sagarin)

    2. Martinsville (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (BNL, Greenwood)

    3. BNL (4-4). 1 win in sectional (vs. JC). Has better record than GW despite lower Sagarin

    4. Jennings County (2-6). Higher Sagarin than SC/Shelby/Edgewood

    5. Greenwood (1-7) Tough schedule, higher Sagarin. Can flip them & JC

    6. Silver Creek (3-5) Lower Sag but better record than Shelby

    7. Shelbyville (1-7) Higher Sagarin than Edgewood

    8. Edgewood (1-7)

    Sectional 24

    1. Evansville Reitz (8-0). 5-0 vs. sectional

    2. Jasper (5-3) 3-2 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs Memorial, Central, Bosse. Loss to Harrison

    3. Evansville Memorial (5-3). 3-2 vs. sectional. H2H loss to Jasper

    4. Boonville (6-2). Has not played a 4A team this year. 4th in sectional in Sagarin

    5. Evansville Harrison (2-6). H2H wins vs. Jasper, Central

    6. Evansville Bosse (1-7). H2H win vs. Centra

    7. Evansville Central (0-8)

    Class 3A

    Sectional 25

    1. West Lafayette (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. Harrison

    2. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Play each other this weekend. Winner

    3. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Loser 

    4. Rensselaer (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (W vs. TL)

    5. River Forest (5-3). 1-2 vs. sectional (loss to Calumet, HC, W vs. BG)

    6. Griffith (3-5). H2H win vs. Boone Grove

    7. Boone Grove (3-5). 0-3 vs. sectional

    8. Twin Lakes (1-7)

    Sectional 26

    1. Jimtown (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional. Plays a lot of larger schools

    2. Knox (5-3). 1-point loss to LaVille, tops in Sagarin

    3. West Noble (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional, Fairfield & Lakeland (7-6)

    4. Fairfield (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Lakeland

    5. Lakeland (3-5). Higher in Sagarin than Marian

    6. Mishawaka Marian (2-6). Mostly 4A/5A schedule, higher than Glenn in Sag

    7. Glenn (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional, win vs. Clay

    8. SB Clay (0-8)

    Sectional 27

    1. Norwell (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Bellmont, Heritage)

    2. Yorktown (6-2). Higher Sagarin, plays mostly 4A schedule

    3. Heritage (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional (Woodlan, Belmont)

    4. Delta (3-5). Win vs. Columbia City. Plays mostly 4A schedule

    5. Woodlan (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional. Low Sagarin (7th in sectional)

    6. FW Concordia (3-5). Plays mostly 4A/5A schedule

    7. Garrett (1-7). Decent Sagarin, 0-0 vs. sectional, 1-2 vs. 3A

    8. Bellmont (0-8)

    Sectional 28

    1. Indianapolis Chatard (5-3). Highest Sagarin by far despite record

    2. Oak Hill (8-0). Higher Sagarin than TV

    3. Tippecanoe Valley (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Peru, Maconaquah)

    4. Guerin Catholic (4-4). Tough schedule, 3rd in sectional in Sagarin

    5. Hamilton Heights (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (Northwestern)

    6. Maconaquah (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional (W Peru, L TV)

    7. Peru (2-6). 

    8. Northwestern (1-7)

    Sectional 29

    1. Tri-West (6-2). 4-0 vs. sectional (WeBo, Danville, NM, Crawfordsville)

    2. Western Boone (7-1). 3-1 vs. sectional (H2H loss to TW)

    3. Speedway (5-3). 3rd in sectional in Sagarin. 

    4. Danville (3-5)/North Montgomery (4-4) winner

    5. Danville/North Montgomery loser

    6. Monrovia (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional. Higher Sagarin than CV

    7. Crawfordsville (2-6)

    8. Purdue Poly (3-5). Lower Sag than Monrovia, CV

    Sectional 30

    1. Gibson Southern (8-0). Champs until knocked off

    2. Owen Valley (8-0). 1-0 vs. 4A

    3. Vincennes (4-4)

    4. Mt. Vernon (P) (4-4). Ower Sag than Vincennes

    5. Washington (2-6). H2H wins vs. Pike Central, Princeton, higher Sag

    6. West Vigo (3-5)

    7. Pike Central (1-7)

    8. Princeton (0-8)

    Sectional 31

    1. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) winner

    2. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) loser

    3. Indian Creek (6-2). H2H win vs. Batesville

    4. Batesville (4-4). 3 wins vs. sectional (Rushville, Greensburg, FC)

    5. Centerville (6-2). Plays mostly 1A/2A schedule

    6. Franklin County (2-6). 2 wins vs. sectional

    7. Greensburg/Rushville winner (both 2-6)

    8. Greensburg/Rushville loser (both 2-6)

    Sectional 32

    1. Southridge (7-1). Highest Sagarin by far

    2. Charlestown (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H W vs. NH

    3. North Harrison (6-2). 3-1 vs. sectional

    4. Heritage Hills (4-4). 2nd in Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional (Southridge)

    5. Madison (4-4). Higher Sagarin than Corydon

    6. Corydon (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional, wins vs. Scottsburg, Salem

    7. Salem (2-6) h2H win vs. Scottsburg

    8. Scottsburg (2-6) 0-4 vs. sectional

    Class 2A
    Sectional 33

    1. LaVille (8-0). Higher Sagarin, unbeaten

    2. Andrean (6-2). Slightly lower Sagarin than LaVille

    3. Bremen (4-4). HIgher Sagarin

    4. Whiting (3-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (win vs. Wheeler)

    5. Wheeler (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll

    6. Lake Station (3-5). 1-0 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll, lower Sag than Wheeler

    7. Hammond Noll (0-7)

    Sectional 34

    1. Lafayette Catholic (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (Seeger, BC)

    2. Rochester (7-1). Lower Sag than LCC

    3. Cass (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (BC)

    4. Seeger (6-2). 0-2 vs. sectional (Ls LCC, BC)

    5. Benton Central (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional (Delphi, Seeger)

    6. Delphi (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional

    7. Winamac (2-6)

    Sectional 35

    1. Eastside (6-2). 3-0 vs. sectional (Busco, PH, CN)

    2. Churubusco (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H loss vs. Eastside

    3. FW Luers (4-4) 3rd in sectional in Sag

    4. Central Noble (2-6). H2H win vs. PH, losses to Busco, Eastside

    5. Prairie Heights (2-6). H2H win vs. Whitko

    6. Wabash (2-6). 7th in Sagarin, H2H win vs. Manchester

    7. Manchester (1-7). H2H win vs. Whitko

    8. Whitko (0-8)

    Sectional 36

    1. Alexandria (5-3). 4-0 vs. sectional (Blackford, Eastbrook, Elwood, Frankton)

    2. Eastbrook (6-2). H2H loss vs. Alex

    3. Eastern (Greentown). Behind Eastbrook in Sag

    4. Bluffton (4-4). 3rd in Sag in sectional

    5. Frankton (2-6) 2-2 vs. sectional (Elwood, H2H win vs. Tipton)

    6. Tipton (3-5). 1-1 vs. Sectional (Elwood)

    7. Blackford (1-7)

    8. Elwood (0-8)

    Sectional 37

    1. Linton (8-0)

    2. Southmont (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (NP)

    3. Sullivan (4-4). 3-1 vs. sectional (SV, Greencastle, NK)

    4. South Vermillion (6-2). 0-1 vs. sectional (Sullivan)

    5. Cascade (4-4). 4th in sectional in Sag

    6. Greencastle (4-4)/North Knox (3-5) (GC if it beats North Putnam)

    7. North Knox (3-5)/North Putnam (3-5) (NP if it wins Friday)

    8. North Putnam/Greencastle

    Sectional 38

    1. Heritage Christian (5-3). Not as good of a record, but better schedule & Sagarin. 3-0 vs. sectional

    2. Northeastern (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (UC, Winchester, Shenandoah)

    3. Lapel (4-4). 1-1 vs. sectional

    4. Shenandoah (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (losses to 3 teams ahead of them)

    5. Eastern Hancock (3-5) 

    6. Winchester (3-5) - low Sagarin, but 1-1 vs. sectional (beat Union County)

    7. Union County (4-4) 

    8. Ritter (1-6)

    Sectional 39

    1. Scecina (7-1). Beat TC H2H

    2. Triton Central (6-2). Has highest Sagarin of field

    3. Brownstown (5-3), winning record, 3rd best Sagarin

    4. Clarksville (3-5). Sagarin substantially better than rest of field

    5. Switzerland County (4-4)

    6. Eastern (Pekin) (1-7)

    7. Manual (3-5) Very weak schedule

    8. Brown County (0-8)

    Sectional 40

    1. Evansville Mater Dei (6-2). Plays 5A schedule, has very good Sagarin

    2. Perry Central (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP, CC, Paoli)

    3. North Posey (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP)

    4. Paoli (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional (CC, Mitchell, loss to PC)

    5. Tell City (2-6). Actually has higher Sagarin that Paoli

    6. Forest Park (1-7)

    7. Mitchell (1-7)

    8. Crawford County (0-8)

    Class A

    Sectional 41

    1. North Judson (7-1). Good Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional

    2. Triton (5-3). 3-1 vs. sectional (Culver, Pioneer, SC, oss to NJ)

    3. Culver (5-3) 2-2 vs. sectional (Ws SC, Pioneer; Ls Triton, NJ)

    4. South Newton (5-3). 2-0 vs. sectional (NN, SC)

    5. Pioneer (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional

    6. Bowman Academy (3-4)

    7. South Central (1-7)

    8. North Newton (0-7)

    Sectional 42

    1. Park Tudor (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (TP). Good Sagarin

    2. North Vermillion (5-3). 3-0 vs sect (Covington, Attica, FC)

    3. Clinton Prairie (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (CC)

    4. Traders Point (4-4). Decent schedule, 0-1 vs. sectional

    5. Fountain Central (2-6). 2-1 vs. sectional (Ws Attica, Covington)

    6. Covington (3-5). Lost to Fountain Central

    7. Clinton Central (0-8). Higher sagarin than Attica

    8. Attica (0-8)

    Sectional 43

    1. Carroll (Flora) (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional

    2. West Central (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (Caston, TC, Frontier)

    3. Frontier (4-4). 2-1 vs. sectional (def NW H2H, TC, lost to WC)

    4. North White (5-2). 3-1 vs. sectional (Ws Taylor, Caston TC; L Frontier)

    5. Tri-Central (2-6). Close w/NW & Frontier in Sagarin. Lost to Carroll, beat Taylor

    6. Taylor (1-7)

    7. Tri-County (1-7)

    8. Caston (0-8) - if any of these three win this weekend, they jump to #6

    Sectional 44

    1. Adams Central (8-0). Clear #1

    2. South Adams (6-2). 2nd highest Sagarin

    3. Madison-Grant (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (SW)

    4. Southwood (6-2) 2-0 vs. sectional (NM, Northfield)

    5. Northfield (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional (Southwood)

    6. North Miami (3-5)

    7. Fremont (2-6)

    8. Southern Wells (0-8) - this sectional follows Sagarin

    Sectional 45

    1. Sheridan (7-1). Clear #1 in Sagarin, 5-0 vs. Class A

    2. Monroe Central (5-2). Clear #2 in Sagarin, wins vs. UC, Wes-Del

    3. Hagerstown (5-3). Win vs. Union City

    4. Indiana Deaf (6-1). Can flip w/Hagerstown based on weekend results

    5. Union City (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, 2-3 vs. Class A

    6. Wes-Del (1-7). Win over Tindley, 1-4 vs. Class A

    7. Indianapolis Tindley (1-7). 0-4 vs. Class A

    Sectional 46

    1. North Decatur (8-0). Clear-cut #1 in Sagarin. 

    2. Tri (7-1). Lone loss to 3A Centerville. 5-0 vs. Class A

    3. Milan (3-5). 3-4 vs. schools in larger classes

    4. Edinburgh (4-3). Close with Milan. H2H win vs. SD

    5. South Decatur (4-4). Low Sagarin, 0-2 vs. sectional (ND, Edinburgh)

    6. Knightstown (1-6). Win over CCL

    7. Cambridge City Lincoln (0-8)

    Sectional 47

    1. Indianapolis Lutheran (8-0). Clear #1

    2. South Putnam (7-1). Clear #2. 6-1 vs. larger classes

    3. Covenant Christian (5-3). Solid schedule. #3 in Sagarin

    4. Riverton Parke (6-2). H2H win over Parke Heritage

    5. North Central (Farmersburg) 1-6. Higher Sagarin

    6. Parke Heritage (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Cloverdale

    7. Cloverdale (1-7). Lowest Sagarin. 

    Sectional 48

    1. Tecumseh (8-0). Highest Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional (SV, ND)

    2. Providence (6-1). 5-1 vs. higher classes. 2nd in Sagarin

    3. North Daviess (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (w/vs EG)

    4. West Washington (5-2). Better record & H2H win vs. SV

    5. Springs Valley (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional 

    6. South Spencer (4-4). Could put 4-5-6 in a blender

    7. Eastern Greene (1-7) 

    This is great, thanks for taking the time to put this together in a thoughtful, well reasoned way. Worst case, perhaps, is maybe a small, small number of teams that are one-off for whatever intangible reason.  Perfection is not a realistic outcome in a complex seeding scenario, but something like this is darn close. 

    Overall, this could certainly be sorted out with about 8 or so smart people putting their heads together over a few short hours the Saturday afternoon after week 9. Remotely. With computers. Over the interwebs.

    However, the obvious fallacy to this entire exercise is that it clearly can work. And THAT, sir, will NOT do for the IHSAA. Just keep your ping-pong balls polished and make do like it's still 1985 and put the top four best teams on one side of the bracket and the bottom four worst teams on the other side like God Himself intended. 

    Now, pardon me while I go reserve my seat for the thriller of a Sectional 30 final that would be a running clock in the first half if it were allowed. It doesn't matter which two teams meet, the result will be the same.

    But hey, at least 2-7 Washington will be able to hang that 2022-23 Sectional Finalist banner in the gym this winter (no offense Hatchets, but y'all gotta admit S30 is a f'g travesty). 

    Seriously though, this is great. Thanks again for compiling this!

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    3A Sectional 30

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    2 minutes ago, tango said:

    GS plays a tougher opponent 1st round than OV, so lesser chance to win Sectional. But if they win Sectional, they have a greater chance of winning Regional, etc. 

    Ah, that makes sense in the sectional. And would if the numbers flipped at the regionals, but in this case they still show less chance in regionals and they don't flip until ss. How does that work?

    I know, mostly meaningless numbers (to a point), just curious about interpreting their meaningless... ness.

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    3A Sectional 30

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    On 10/9/2022 at 9:15 PM, Titan32 said:
    TOURNAMENT CHANCES
    Chances of winning each round, based on ratings, draw and home-field advantage
    Chance of less than 0.005% is not shown

     

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    These numbers just seem... off. 

    Aside from some clear bias that I may or may not have (hint: I have), but how does GS ( or any team, for that matter) have a better chance than OV of winning state, but less chance to get out of the same sectional? 

    Maff hurts my brain.

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