Footballking16

Who is taking anything away from anybody? You should have to earn your way into the postseason? No? I mean it's not like it's done that way all over the country at every level....oh wait. We had to qualify for the playoffs back in CYO ball as 10 and 11 year olds. Never once felt I was being deprived of anything when we didn't make. That's the way it goes.

I know. 400 people at a high school football game would be a travesty, especially at neutral site. Has disaster written all over it. It's right off 70, very accessible. Both schools would be losing money after costs to rent Warren Central's field with that kind of attendance.

Might be 400 people there

Ohio has more or less a "cluster system" just a bigger version. I love their format. 4 regions, 8 teams per region. Each region seeded 1-8, winner of Winner of region 1/2 plays winner of region 3/4 for the finals.

I knew it.....

works for me....pushes IU to the West

You would effectively kill any rooting interest of high school football in the state of Indiana in a few years with this system.

I agree with you there, but seeding is a by-product of a qualifier. If teams were seeded accordingly, you would see 100+ blowouts the opening round of sectionals and you’d have to ask yourself, “why do we include these teams”. If you seed the sectionals to preserve the better games for later rounds, it’s going to be a charade.

My format for a qualification system: -add tenth regular season game -eliminate half the field using a rating system that calculates W-L, opp W-L, SOS (including out of state), Opp SOS (including out of state) adding a caveat that a team must win 40% of their regular season games to qualify I will submit brackets after the conclusion of Friday's game using Calpreps as the rating system

So if you support that, why not push that agenda? You understand that under your current proposal, the IHSAA would be hosting a tournament for 64 teams where only TWO have a winning record. 6-2 Frontier and 4-3 Oldenburg are the only two teams of the 64th worst rated Sagarin teams that have a winning record. Who would support that tournament format? That is the ultimate "lets give everybody a trophy". How do you justify that?

Did I say that? Cathedral has already played in the 6A tournament and I fully supported it via the success factor. If you have success in your enrollment-based classification, you should be bumped up. What I have a problem with is telling a school like South Adams who has 369 kids, they now have to compete in a tournament with schools like Penn, Southport, Noblesville, etc. It ain't right.

If you eliminated half the field at the conclusion of the regular season and seeded the tournament this competitive imbalance wouldn't exist. The reason why blowouts are so widespread in the current format is that the best teams knock each other out early and they let teams in who have no business being in.

Cathedral has never played in a tournament with schools 5-6x their enrollment. They currently play in a tournament where the largest school has 800 more students. Cathedral is an outlier in this whole thing. That is why the success factor exists, to promote schools up a class who have sustained success in their enrollment based-class.

He's trying to replicate European soccer. What Muda is not taking into consideration is that when teams are promoted at the professional level, they are allocated more funds to go out and "buy" newer and better players to be able to compete against better teams. That isn't feasible in high school athletics and why a "true system of promotion/relegation" is one of the more profoundly dumb arguments on this site.

I'm not thinking about Cathedral in the least when you talk about promotion and relegation. I'm talking about teams like South Adams who would be forced to play in a tournament with schools 10x their enrollment. That ain't right.

Status quo? Cathedral has been promoted several times lol. Not only that, they've been promoted 2 classes, the only program to have that happen to them. They are still playing up 1 class to their natural enrollment and you haven't heard me complain about it one time. What an outstanding hill to die on Muda.

@Muda69 I take it by your downvote you don't have an actual proposal?

Though I do need a good laugh this morning. What is your actual criteria for promotion and relegation once the field has been set? You only seem to cite a wikipedia page for European soccer whenever you're asked this question. I have no problem with Sagarin. Just think it's hypocrisy coming from you.

No need Muda

lol

Imagine Muda typing a thread trying to justify promotion/relegation using Sagarin as his basis for measurement while also chiding schools for "running up the score". That my friends is quite the conundrum.

Basketball is completely different than football.

A school with 369 people isn't to be expected to compete with schools that have 10x their enrollement. The goal of high school sports nationwide is to crown champions based on like-size enrollement, not field a tournament that crowns a champion among the 64 worst teams in the state. What is so hard to understand about that? The IHSAA would open themselves up to endless amounts of lawsuits if they orchestrated a tournament in such fashion. Penn playing a team like South Adams is a disaster waiting to happen from an injury perspective.

Yes sorry South Adams, enrollment 369. They would be playing in a state tournament with schools like Penn, Noblesville, Columbus East, Southport, etc under your current proposal. Ya, no thanks.

Because Cathedral CAN compete with those schools and due to the success factor they have to. Chatard or West Lafayette would beat Adams Central by 100 points this year. If Adams Central continues to win, they will be bumped up.