Footballking16

Definitely a right of passage for some.

So not the hyperbole @Muda69 suggests? Now that was hyperbole. DrivenTemptation was definitely one. There's 4.

So hyperbolic the mods banned him. Go eat a waffle.

Vividly remember sometime around 2010-2011 (shortly after TA's passing), when DT tried to take over the site and make it pay for play subscription. Thought that was a total slap in the face to everything TA started and wished to continue. Was never a fan of DT's work before; multiplier, +1 bump, ad nauseum crap that still gets spewed every week here, but it completely turned me off. 6 screen names and 9 resignations/unretirements later....well, here we are.

Clearly I was talking post season, you knew that as you responded to my comment earlier specifically mentioning their postseason struggles. They’re 0fer in the playoff just as they were during the BCS era. Now you’re just being pedantic. I speak for myself, yet I understand they’re tons of delusional Indiana basketball fans just as there are Michigan football fans. Case in point ^^^^ Purdue may not have won a national title, but they’ve been damn good the last 5-6 years, winning multiple B10 titles. They’ve got as good a chance as anyone to win it all this year. And of course I root like hell for Purdue to lose in March, what rival wouldn’t? Did you suddenly become Ohio State’s biggest fan once Michigan’s miserable seasons end these last two decades? Michigan was so bad in 2020 that Harbaugh had to take a pay cut to stay employed. Michigan State was worse and still clowned the Wolverines once again. With the exception of one outlier year, Michigan has done nothing but lose to rivals and get embarrassed in bowl games. Purdue has owned Indiana the last 5-6 years. Third time saying it. Again, I don’t need to find a way to rationalize consistently losing to rivals they way you do.

You're delusional if you don't think other programs are negatively recruiting Notre Dame's poor track record in big time games. I brought you up to speed. Like IU basketball, a once proud Michigan Football program has had minimal success at the national level for a long time. I was talking about Big Ten titles. Does making one playoff automatically make you a top 10 program over X amount of years? Shouldn't Michigan St, Washington, Oregon, Cincinnati be a part of this discussion as well? I can go back and edit my top list if you'd like. I'd still used the word owned. "Little Brother". Ha.

Crucified by everybody. Don't play dumb. IU's at least played for a national title this millennium and has as many B10 championship in basketball as Michigan does Football. I was talking about IU basketball. IU's been terrible the last 5 years and inherently average the last 20 years sans 4-5 seasons. No shame in admitting that. But I don't need to rationalize it over 30+ posts the way you have with Michigan though. Penn State won the B10 in 2016. Michigan State has a winning record against Harbaugh and is 10-4 against Michigan since Lloyd Carr retired. #Owned

That just isn't true. I'm the biggest Notre Dame detractor there is and they get absolutely crucified for their inability to win a meaningful postseason game dating back to the BCS era. Both are has-been programs living in the past. Still top 10 programs historically with minimal national success the last 20 years. I don't see it as a reach at all. Indiana has been terrible, but you don't see me making 30+ posts trying to rationalize why they aren't. One year. Harbaugh's been there seven. 1/7 ain't great for a supposed top 10 program.

Michigan a) doesn't beat their rivals and b) doesn't win its postseason games. Am I supposed to pat you on the back and say congratulations for beating the Indiana's, the Rutgers', and the Maryland's of the world? You deserve your top 10 ranking? Every single team at the top is graded on postseason success and Michigan's record is pathetic. I'd be saying postseason games were meaningless as well if I were in your shoes. Getting pumped regularly and losing to teams like South Carolina probably does it for you. I've said repeatedly that Michigan finally had a good year. It's also an outlier to date. Change my mind. You've been to one CFB playoff game and got embarrassed. Washington, Cincinnati, and Sparty can all lay the same claim. Doubt you consider those teams top 10 based on one game. One CFB appearance/national title implication game doesn't negate 20 some years of mediocrity at the national level. Teams who consistently perform at the national level are considered the best teams, Michigan ain't one of them. Try harder. Michigan doesn't play ND regularly anymore and their two main rivals are OSU and MSU who both own Michigan right now. It's why I've repeatedly stated Michigan isn't a top team in the B10 anymore, let alone the country. They not only beat Michigan on the field, they win their postseason games as well. Until Michigan can consistently put together seasons like last year, they'll always be a has been program who talks about all-time wins and TV ratings. I get it, IU basketball fans do the same thing. It's one of the ways to rationalize about being nationally relevant.

I'm playing your game. What is considered a successful Michigan season these days? 20-30 years ago it was was beating your rivals (ND/OSU/Michigan St), winning B10 titles, and competing for national championships. Michigan has ONE B10 title since 2004, zero national title appearances, and a dogsh*t record against both OSU and Michigan State. Their postseason record is dogsh*t in said time frame. What top 10 program can't regularly compete for a conference championship and gets continually clowned by their rival(s)? Outside this past year (my outlier), what is truly the last "successful" season Michigan has had? And if you want to try and tell me 2018 where they lost to both Ohio State and Notre Dame while getting housed in a significant bowl game, it further proves how far Michigan has fallen. You don't get to call Jan 1 bowl games like the Gator or Outback Bowl meaningless unless you're a team like Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson who continually play for national titles, especially when you can't win the bowl games you're assigned too. There's zero barometer of success for Michigan under Harbaugh with the exception of last year.

Penn State is 2-0 in NY6 Bowls and has a Rose Bowl appearance. Wisconsin is 6-1 in Bowl Games with their lone loss in the Rose Bowl. I know you said bowl games don't matter, but I guess beating your rivals don't either. What's the draw for Michigan? I don't understand?

Alabama Clemson Ohio State Georgia Oklahoma Notre Dame LSU Penn State Wisconsin Guess I'm back and forth between Florida and Michigan. Michigan better H2H record vs Florida but Florida far better postseason record. And again spare me with your "meaningless bowl games". If beating rivals and winning titles is the only thing that matters then Michigan doesn't sniff this list.

You can continue to tell yourself 2020 doesn't count. Not only does 2020 count, it happened and it was real. It was so real that Harbaugh was forced to take a 50% pay cut just to stay employed. No doubt the B10 East is a tough division, never argued otherwise. And Michigan is only the 3rd or 4th best team in that division. So what? Why do you care what I think about Michigan? It's a has been program that finally had a good year and yet is still blowing up in their face. Head coach wanting out of Dodge, top assistant taking a demotion to go to Miami, replacing a defensive coordinator with a nobody, etc. It's just funny to me. Counting down the days watching a 9-3 Michigan team lose once again in the Gator Bowl while its fans incessantly yell, "WE'RE A TOP 10 PROGRAM"!!!! Rinse, lather, repeat.

Michigan hasn't sniffed a conference title in 5/7 years Harbaugh has been the head coach. That is a trend. The rest are outliers. The only other year Michigan finished better than 3rd in their own division was 2018 in which they lost to Notre Dame, gave up 62 to Ohio State in a winner take all game, and got embarrassed in their bowl game. There isn't a true Wolverine fan alive that would call that a successful season. Wal-Mart fans like Temptation might think so since winning 10 games is somehow the barometer of a successful season, but real Michigan fans who have at least seen Michigan as an elite program realize how far away from national relevancy they really are. Top 10 nationally relevant program my ass lol. Can't even compete for a a division title 70% of the time during Harbaugh's tenure. Thanks for the laugh fellas.

What's inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or worst in your own division in 5 of the 7 years you've been a head coach is a trend my friend. Teams that finish 3rd or worst in their own division aren't competing for national titles. Read the room.

What's the insanity of it? Michigan's finish in the B10 east since Harbaugh's arrival: 3rd 3rd 4th T-1st 3rd T-5th T-1st Acting like Michigan is some program who year in and year out is competing for B10 titles and NY6/playoff appearances is ludicrous. Would it kill you to do your own research or are you incapable?

Michigan used to be the cream of the crop in the B10. Ohio State is a full marathon ahead of the Wolverines right now. Michigan used to be a top 5 program, they're arguably only a top 3 or 4 program in the B10 right now. Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan State have all played in and won Rose Bowls in the last 10 years. Say what you want about Michigan and not winning bowls that don't matter, you can't beat any of your rivals. By what metric does Michigan measure their football program then? You aren't beating Michigan St. You aren't beating Ohio State. And you sure as hell aren't winning postseason games. So your barometer of success is beating up on Indiana, Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers of the world??? Sounds like a top ten program to me. Keep doing what you need to do to rationalize.

2021 is an outlier for Michigan. Michigan has finished unranked in the AP as many times as they've finished ranked since Carr retired. Michigan isn't anywhere close to the program it used to be, # of viewers be damned. A bunch of dummies who still think Bo Schembelcher is the coach. You can't beat Michigan State on a regular basis these days and are only competitive with Ohio State in one out of every five years. Michigan hasn't won a meaningful bowl game in ages and it's been a decade plus since you've been to the Rose Bowl. Have program standards fallen that far up in Ann Arbor? Are these what the "boots on the ground" are preaching these days?

And just like Michigan, Indiana basketball has been a nationally irrelevant basketball program in the last 20 years. Have no shame in admitting that. IU basketball still draws huge TV ratings, always one of the top revenue producers each year, etc...it means jack shit in the W-L column. Michigan needs to worry about becoming the best team in its own state before anything else.

Would I love for Indiana to be an above average B10 team? Sure.

The only opinion in my last post was about the coordinators. The rest are facts. 4-10 against Michigan State is absolutely a fact. 4 wins against Ohio state since 2000 is absolutely a fact. Haven't played in a Rose Bowl in over 15 year is absolutely a fact. Haven't won a Rose Bowl in 20+ years is absolutely a fact. Harbaugh interviewing with the Vikings is absolutely a fact. Michigan has a losing record against Ohio State and Michigan State and a .500 record vs Penn State since Harbaugh has taken over. They've finished better than 3rd TWICE in their own division in said time frame. Facts my friend. Michigan is no longer your daddy's Michigan. Haven't been in awhile.

Says the Wal-Mart Wolverine fan. 4-10 against "Little Brother" since Carr's retirement (2007). 4 wins against Ohio State this millennium. Haven't sniffed a Rose Bowl in 15 years and it's been over 20 since they last won one. Head coach couldn't get out of town fast enough after best season in 20+ years. Lost both coordinators and replaced them with absolute nobodies. This is exactly what I'd expect a "Michigan" fan to say.

Ha. The all-time wins leader isn’t even the best D1 football program in their own state and haven’t been for awhile.

Whatever you wanna call em, Slap.