Footballking16

Like I said, I'm sure these services are strictly going off what is listed in the Center Grove program and as everyone knows those tend to be inflated.

Buyout is still over $15mil. He’s not getting fired next year regardless of what happens. I’ve seen worse IU teams finish better than 1-11 and next year isn’t anywhere close to the worst fielded IU team. Literally everything that had to go wrong for IU to finish 2-10 last year happened and then some. Bowl eligibility will be tough to come by as always playing in the East but I still see 4-5 wins.

Maybe in the Center Grove program. 247 lists him at 240. My guess is he’s closer to 235 and built extremely well and will only get stronger and bigger with a specialized diet and meal plan. Definitely room for him to fill out with his frame.

Muscle weighs more than fat. Kids a brick. He’ll be 250-260 after 4 years in a college weight room.

Curry’s got more than a legit shot assuming he stays healthy and can avoid getting bumped from the rotation. He’s got prototypical size for a modern day rush end. I’d be more worried about his combine numbers than size in my opinion.

An inbound? A smart one wouldn't.

I don't either.

Was CG able to cash in on any one year rentals for this coming year or do we have to wait till the end of the school year to find out?

The Grove in Oxford MS is the pinnacle of college football tailgating. Fortunate to have attended on a few occasions. Went to an LSU game a few years ago while visiting NOLA on a bachelor party.

Probably a wash. Worst Ohio State defense I’ve seen in years, not sure it can get any worse this year. I think Knowles is the real deal and the last opponent he faced…Notre Dame. Domers don’t have the horses to keep up.

None. OL may be equal. Ohio State has a top 2 QB, a top 3 RB, and the best receiver in college football. Blood bath coming.

OSU will cover, but if this was anybody other than an OSU player coaching ND this would be a 35-7 game…..at half. And it still might be. Might also be the final score too.

Carmel didn’t disappear in the 90’s, they just didn’t win any state titles. They won multiple sectional and regional championships and subsequently had multiple semi-state appearances. That decade of “disappearing” is a decade of excellence for all but 5 or 6 programs in the state. Just goes to show you how good Carmel has been for so long. But yes, good topic and discussion nonetheless.

Winning 9 state titles and 7 runner-ups spanning 5 different decades is the definition of sustained success. They have the most sectional titles of any program in the history of the sport. They are the walking definition of a blue-blood.

Both Warren and Carmel have had sustained success the last 50 years despite not winning a title in the 90's. There isn't a more successful big class school in the history of the sport than Carmel. They are most certainly an Indiana blue-blood and arguably at the top of the list in my opinion.

Carmel is almost certainly not out. I said in order to be considered you needed to have minimum 5 state titles in at least 3 different decades. They certainly fit that bill.

You forgot Carmel who has titles in the 70's, 80, 2000's, and 2010's. But yes that's a pretty solid list. My personal Mt Rushmore for Indiana High School Football is: Carmel Cathedral Luers Chatard

No. Clemson isn't a blue-blood and nowhere ever did I say Duke instantly became a blue-blood once Coach K took the reigns. K was at Duke 42 years and Duke achieved blue-blood status sometime during his tenure, my opinion in 2015 after winning his 5th title. This would have been 35 years into his tenure. I believe that is enough to qualify them in that regard. My opinion is that it takes close to 40-50 years to gain blue-blood status but again that's arbitrary. And it certainly should take longer than a decade or two to lose blue-blood status. Clemson right now is sitting at about a decade of sustained success. That qualifies them in the elite category (current) but still nowhere close to that blue-blood level. In my opinion Clemson needs at least another 20-25 years of similar success before being mentioned with the true blue-bloods of college football. I consider Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, and Notre Dame to be the blue-bloods of college football. All five of those programs have had a sustained level of success for 50+ years. Michigan, Nebraska, and Texas are right behind them.

Again tough to do with Indiana High School football considering the amount of closures and consolidations over the years as well as enrollment boosts and other factors. I think there's several schools who fit the blue-blood criteria for a sustained period of success going back 40-50 years. I think to be considered a true blue-blood you need a minimum of 5 state titles and titles must be won in at least 3 different decades. That eliminates a good chunk of programs who have been on the upswing the last 15-20 years.

And that's why it's really hard to do in Indiana High School football unless you are simply establishing them by class or big school/small school. Because unlike college football or basketball there are multiple titles a year to be won.

Because being considered a blue-blood is an ultra-exclusive title. If we recognized every program who has shown a decade worth of sustained success, you'd have 30 something blue-blood programs. It would diminish the title. Duke is T-4th all-time in national titles. Duke went to 4 Final Fours and had two runner-ups in Coach K's first 10 years. Duke has achieved blue-blood status since K took over in 1980. There isn't a question about it. I've never seen Clemson considered a blue-blood in Football. By anybody. I've never seen them listed as a top 10 football program of all-time. By anybody. Because they aren't. Good program, but nowhere near blue-blood status and arguably not even top 15 all-time. The last decade, as good as it has been for them, doesn't change that narrative. Currently an elite program, but they need another 10-15 years of sustained success to even be considered, in my opinion.

Clemson has been one of the best 2-3 programs the last decade and won a title in 81. They were .500 throughout the 60s and 70's. They had some 10 win seasons in the 80's and 90's but also a ton of 6-5, 7-4 type seasons as well, all the way up until hiring Dabo. Top of my head, programs who are historically better than Clemson throughout the duration of college football: Alabama Ohio State USC Oklahoma Notre Dame Those are the 5 I considered Blue Blood Texas Nebraska Michigan Georgia Penn State Florida Tennessee FSU Miami Auburn There's another 10 who are all historically better than Clemson.

You could possibly lay claim to top 20 simply on recency bias, but there's no way there are top 15 historically and they aren't anywhere close to blue-blood status.

Clemson is nowhere close to being considered a blue-blood in college football. Not even close. They are an elite program right now but not even in top 15 or top 20 all time. Duke has been good at basketball a lot longer than 2 decades. K was there nearly 40 years.

How much of that spreadsheet accounts for pre-class football? I think you need at least 4-5 decades of some kind of sustained success if you’re trying to define a blue-blood program. I realize that may not be possible in Indiana high school football given all the consolidations and closures of schools over the years, but I don’t think recent success is necessarily a strong indicator of blue-blood status. There’s no question that a school like Center Grove is the premier football school in the state of Indiana right now. But historically, not sure I’d even consider them to be a top 10 big class program as it stands now. 20-30 years from now that may be a different story.