Footballking16

Who do you think the is driving force behind CG’s youth league???

Yeah. Thinking Coach Moore just showed up one day and started out scheming teams is an odd flex.

How instrumental was Coach Moore in not only establishing but ramping up CG’s bantam program? I don’t know the answer but I’ll guarantee you Coach Moore’s contributions to the CG football program and community go exponentially further than just X’s and O’s. Don’t kid yourself.

Muda will be awarding points to teams who punt on 3rd down up big in the 2nd half.

Really, really silly rule that holds Indiana back (among other things) yet in the event it was overturned there still wouldn't be a team in this state dumb enough to schedule IMG. IMG plays non-prep schools for two reasons; 1) to beat you by 50 points and 2) try and poach your states best players.

Agreed

Right and the IHSAA took the easy out and went from a bad situation with the cluster format to nearly a worse with the all-in. Cluster and all-in are on complete ends of the spectrum, there is a middle ground somewhere in-between. I think all but two states have figured it out.

Using that particular year for Center Grove, they would have made every single postseason format that effectively cuts the field in half using some kind of combination of record, SOS, and opponent SOS. CG was a top 10-15 Sagarin team the entire year despite the slow start.

Applaud you for being gracious in defeat.

IF**** IF high enrollment and low ses WERE the two primary factors for having a successful program you wouldn't see so many 6A schools with 3000+ kids and low SES numbers having programs as bad as they are. Clearly they aren't the two primary factors. Re-read what I said and that get back to me on who is being dense.

I’ve acknowledged all this years ago and yet nobody can answer why schools like Noblesville, Lake Central, etc have such poor football programs? If enrollment and SES were the two primary factors those two schools would be head over heels better than they are and Carmel would win the state title every single year. Too many people like yourself and Temp want to dismiss culture/coaching/community support as non-factors. I can tell you that a school like North Central could be as good as any team in the state if they wanted too, they just don’t try. Their youth program is a joke. There’s so many kids from Washington Twp who end up playing CYO ball at an early age because there’s no structure or support in the youth system and those kids ultimately end up at Cathedral, Chatard, or Brebeuf. Center Grove’s bantam league is a huge reason why they keep kids from going to a school like Roncalli. Center Grove wouldn’t be where they are today without its youth program.

If Lawrence Central played Lake Central’s schedule in Lake Central’s conference in that half of the bracket they’d be considered a decent program.

There’s nearly as many schools in the top half of enrollment and below 50% F/R lunch in 6A that I would define as not having long term success as the schools you listed for 6A in the bottom half of enrollment and over 50% of F/R lunch? What’s your point? All that illustrates is success isn’t limited to any single factor.

Lawrence Central has a better football program than Lake Central and has had statewide success in the last decade. Deal with it.

I don't need to give you names of other programs. I've given you plenty of names and examples of programs over the years who have high enrollment/his SES numbers that don't translate to winning football programs, which has been your primary argument for years. Why can't we agree that there is a multitude of factors that go into a winning formula and it isn't limited to money and high enrollment? Seems logical, no?

For every one Center Grove, you have a Penn, Noblesville, Lake Central who check both boxes in the SES and enrollment departments who are just flat bad. Throw in a North Central who has been historically bad and a Fishers program who continues to slide further and further into mediocrity.

But at some point, there's a certain threshold where # of boys shouldn't really matter. If you have 1500 boys in your school, that's enough (or should be) to field a more than competitive football team. I don't have exact numbers, but I would imagine that most 6A schools have at least 100+ football players in its program grades 9-12. Some schools might dress 80-100 kids Friday night, but in reality you're really only relying on maybe 40-50 kids who see the field on any given Friday night. If you have 2500+ kids in your school and can't find 40-50 decent to good football players to the point you're not competitive on a Friday night that's either a culture or coaching problem. SES at a 6A school is all window dressing. There's more than enough affluent to middle class schools with 2500+ kids who have average to bad football programs right now.

BD and Carmel are the only two remaining 6A schools that have a significant enrollment advantage. Warren Central, while still a very big school, isn't as big as it once was in comparison to the rest of 6A. There's now 13 schools within 1,000 students of Warren Central and many are closing the gap rather quickly. They don't have a talent advantage over anybody right now. 10-20 years ago they would frequently line up 3-4 legit D1 prospects on either side of the ball and the game would be over by kick off against all but one or two opponents. That isn't the case anymore and I'm guessing will never be the case again going forward.

Then Ben Davis needs to get rid of Jason Simmons then ASAP, he's 25-24 in 4 years at Ben Davis. The enrollment gap between Warren Central and many of the HCC schools is drastically closing as is the talent gap. Warren and BD can no longer just show up and win on talent alone like they could for the last 2-3 decades.

Be interesting to see how dominant CG can be over the next few years. They’re clearly the cream of the crop in 6A but even the ardent of CG supporters have to admit the last two senior classes contained some generational talent. CG may come back to Earth and that would open things up and make 6A interesting.

I'm not completely writing off Warren Central or Ben Davis or leaving them for dead. I'm just convinced the window where we can expect Warren Central and Ben Davis to automatically be state title contenders every single year has closed. There will be years where both BD and WC have special classes with good talent who absolutely can and may even win it all, but there's too many other programs who have closed the talent gap.

It always ruins a perfectly good narrative though!!

I'd be shocked if less than 95% of LCC's and Andrean's rosters were comprised of anything but CYO kids although in this day of age guessing travel ball gets in the way of CYO baseball. It's not what it used to be. I couldn't tell you where Illiana Christian is located on a map but can assure you it has nothing to do with CYO.

Don't know the optics or inner-workings of either high school but yes fair to say HSE is the football school of the two. Both seem to have solid baseball programs who have each won state titles the last few years and basketball programs seem to be equal although Fishers has a to-be sophomore that is one of the best prospects in the country. I think Haralson has La Lumiere or Montverde written all over him, but should Fishers hang onto him, they'll be a major player in the state tournament the next few years.

Cathedral baseball on an extremely impressive run the last few weeks. Think they were right around .500 with a couple ties (how do you tie in baseball?) heading in to the tournament.