Footballking16

Thanks. All those programs I would categorize as either historically good to currently good. Sheridan is probably the only team of that bunch who can't rebuild or retool in the event they were bumped to 2A nowadays but I'm willing to concede Sheridan would absolutely live through a grace period in which they were forced to play in 2A if it meant winning a state title. I'm guessing that would be the case for just about any 1A school.

I could definitely get on board with consolidation especially if it provides not only opportunity but a more competitive environment. I imagine this could potentially add some logistical and economic nightmares but it's not the end of the world. Elkhart recently did this and sounds like it is already paying off in the athletic department.

Why would the Catholic Church sue the IHSAA over artificially inflating school enrollments? You realize that not every P/P is a catholic school correct?

Well yeah, why wouldn't they?

Is there any examples of a 1A school where a team has ridden a good group of sophomores and juniors to a sectional and regional title and then won it all the following year only to completely fall off a cliff? Not saying it hasn't or couldn't happen but that I think that is an absolute extreme scenario. Honestly haven't tracked the SF in the lower classes, is there any example(s) of teams with little to no football history bumping up a class due to a one and a lifetime class? Just going off memory, the teams that have bumped up were all usual suspects and the ones that weren't New Pal have completely elevated their level of play.

I think the Success Factor should be moved from a 2 year cycle to a 4 year cycle. Accrue anything less than 4 points and you bump back to your original class, accrue anywhere from 4 to 6 points you remain in your current class and anything over 7 you're bumped another class.

Which is exactly why the Success Factor was implemented instead of a multiplier. Having heavy extracurricular participation numbers doesn't automatically equate to success; see my point about Park Tudor football. What kind of participation numbers do you think a school like Hammond Noll enjoys? why should their enrollment be doubled? Bump up the individual team, not entire school, for the programs who show success. Seems rather simple to me.

LOL. There's going to be haves and have nots regardless of what you do to the P/P's. Multiplying the P/P's by however many students isn't going to address the issue of competitive balance. The purpose of the SF wasn't to prevent the P/P's from ever winning a state title again. Multiply the P/P enrollments by 2 and now you're just going to have the same one or two public schools win in class 1A and 2A every year, how does that address competitive balance. If you don't want the P/P's to ever win a state title again, then put them in their own division. However, the IHSAA knows that'll never hold up. Who is mentioning Park Tudor as a state title contender other than you?

Lol. The reason Park Tudor has 1 winning season in the last 16 years has nothing to do with their facilities by the way.

What isn't working? The purpose of the success factor wasn't to prevent private schools from ever winning state titles by the way.

Not every p/p has a good football program regardless the percentage of students competing in extracurriculars. That's why the success factor, not multiplier, makes more sense. Park Tudor has always been one of the largest 1A schools and on a per capita basis is the wealthiest school in Indiana with the exception of maybe Culver Military and they haven't won a sectional since 2005. Hell, until last year, they hadn't had a winning season in over a decade. By @temptationmetrics, Park Tudor should be running away with state titles on the gridiron given their high enrollment number and extremely low SES numbers. Silly to just start multiplying non-existent students to a school's enrollment because of perceived advantages that may not actually take place. The thought of Park Tudor playing 3A football because they have a bunch of students who play golf, lacrosse, and tennis is laughable. Let's let Park Tudor have some success in 1A and bump them up in the event of it happening rather than just adding nearly 400 mythical students to their enrollment. Seems practical, no?

Give it a rest my man.

Serious question, do you really think a school like Andrean or Cathedral or Chatard really gives a sh*t when public school zealots try and diminish a state title because it was won in a lower enrollment class? Will assure you nobody from Andrean is losing sleep over what some blowhards on a message board think.

Didn’t ask you to agree with me.

I would take Cathedral’s daily/weekly preparation and commitment to being the best football program as humanly possible over any other teams in the state. I’m sure someone from CG, New Pal, etc will argue otherwise but you aren’t going to find many, if any schools who take football more seriously than Cathedral and are dead set on being a championship contender every single year. If you think Cathedral just goes through the motions M-Th and just shows up on Friday you would be severely mistaken.

Tell me you don’t know the difference between a parochial school and an independently run private school without telling me you don’t know the difference between a parochial school and an independently run private school. Top 1 percentile.

Not many teams going to outwork Cathedral, I’ll put a penny on that. Its as real and as serous as it gets over there.

Fire up the cannons!!!

No one is forcing any public school to play in the IHSAA sanctioned tournaments….

It’ll be entertaining and well deserved irregardless.

What the hell does this even mean?

Can’t wait till Cathedral wins 6A. Ensuing days ought to be fun.

Park Tudor hasn’t won a sectional since 2005. They had a good year last year for program standards. Improving? Yes. Rising rapidly? Chill.

Park Tudor?? The same Park Tudor team that has one winning season since 2005? Lutheran and Covenant play in the same sectional so one of those teams will be eliminated in the first 3 weeks of the playoffs. Lutheran is deservedly one of the favorites to win 1A next year but Covenant isn’t.

Wait till he finds out that not every kid who attends private school has parents who drive a Bentley or own a Fortune 500 company.