Footballking16

But I don't believe Brownsburg is adverse to adding Carmel and Center Grove to the HCC. Westfield on the other hand, from what I've gathered in this thread, is vehemently opposed to the idea. Brownsburg at least schedules Ben Davis in the regular season as it makes sense given their west side locations. There's no reason why Carmel and Westfield shouldn't play every year in the regular season given Westfield's dynamic growth not only as a school and community, but as a football program.

No one considers Brownsburg "Carmel's little brother". Westfield and Carmel are natural rivals given the proximity and likeness of both communities . Given Westfield's extreme growth the last decade and the desire to be a major player in 6A, there's no reason why Carmel and Westfield shouldn't be playing every year, regardless if it's due to conference affiliation or not.

Zionsville and Westfield are both in Metro Indy so that logic doesn't apply here. In the case of Westfield, they are going to have to beat Carmel at some point to win a 6A title as it appears Carmel is back North for the time being and likely awhile. If they ever want the little brother moniker removed, they need to start scheduling and beating Carmel regularly. That's not going to happen by ducking them.

Definitely. Carmel and their 5000+ students aren't going away. Not sure ducking Carmel to pile up HCC regular season championships is going to mean much in the grand scheme of things. Beating them regularly however is a completely different animal.

Could be the case. Unless there's a plan to build a second high school to accommodate the fast growing Whitestown, it's not out of the question to think Zionsville could be pushing 3k students sometime in the next decade. If you subscribe to the theory that low F/R/L makes a spectacular football program, Zionsville should be a major player in 6A for years to come. Same rule applies to Westfield. Without a second high school in the works, they will be approaching mega-enrollment sooner than later. Both Westfield and Zionsville's enrollments have doubled in the last 10-15 years.

Which is why I think you'll see a newly formed conference created down the road. Carmel Center Grove Westfield Brownsburg HSE Zionsville That's a start. Fishers, Avon, Franklin Central, and Noblesville can decide if they want to play big boy football or not. MIC/HCC merger from there seems realistic.

You seriously believe Center Grove and Carmel got the boot because they had ideas of joining another conference?

Center Grove would have been the best team in either state last year but Michigan has some very good top end teams. Michigan produces a ton of top end talent however, much more than Indiana.

They went 13-1 last year, beat Moeller (OH), River Rouge, and Cass Tech (twice) and won the D3 title. They lost to Carmel on a Hail Mary in week 1. They're a very good team. They're also very talented.

I think Detroit King is significantly better than everyone else on Warren's schedule.

Don't know much about Christian Brothers. Carmel will be better this year, but King in my opinion is a top 20 team with Dante Moore. I think they are significantly better than the rest of their schedule.

If they compete with CG for 4 quarters my attitude might change. Talent level at CG has dipped the last two years and that's not a knock on the Trojans, just speaks to how loaded they were the last two years, but if they get blown out by a Center Grove team breaking in a lot of new pieces I'll stand firm on my original prediction.

I think they top out at 6 wins for the entire year. 4-5 regular season, win sectional, lose regional. You might be selling Detroit King a little short. Dante Moore is the best QB in the country not named Arch Manning and many think he has a better upside given his mobility. Just won the Elite 11 (Arch didn't participate) last week.

That was the plan and then IU lost 2 starting QB's in 2 weeks. Dexter Williams who was the third string QB tore his ACL fall camp so can't imagine McCulley getting hardly any reps right up until the time he was thrown to the wolves. Tough year for the Hoosiers.

You’re not wrong in your premise, however I think there is a substantial difference in terms of top end talent when comparing Indiana high school football players and basketball players. Indiana produces top flight basketball talent just about every year. IU would be a consistent second weekend tourney team if they consistently landed the best prospects in the state. IU has missed on way too many blue chip in-state recruits the last 25 years and the results show. As far as football goes, I think Indiana generally produces 4-5 guys a class who have legitimate offers from almost every school in the country. And while I’d love for IU to land some of that talent, they just aren’t going to consistently beat out ND, OSU, Mich, etc for those types of players.

McCulley was a true freshman who planned to redshirt but otherwise everything you said is 100% correct.

IU has signed plenty of top in-state kids the last few years. Unfortunately, many haven't worked out. Indiana, nor Purdue, are ever going to win the state in terms of landing top in-flight talent. And I take little joy in saying this, there just isn't enough talent in Indiana to make it your primary recruiting base if you ever want to seriously compete in the B10.

Miami would be a good opportunity then for the B10. Add another huge media market and historically good football program. Miami might not have another choice either.

Pretty surprised Miami isn't in this picture.

It's a huge advantage, not sure it warrants a multiplier though. There are several public schools who have high level feeder programs as well.

Thanks for the info. Others will laugh and call it a non-issue, but your last paragraph makes a ton of sense. I always keep coming back to it, but having a strong youth and feeder system in my mind is the biggest key to maintaining a successful high school program. I get the safety issues revolving around football these days, but not having tackle football until 7th or 8th grade is still an insane concept to me. Kids should be taught as early as 3rd or 4th grade the fundamentals and techniques to contact and hitting drills. Kids having to be taught the basic fundamentals of contact football at 13 or 14 years old puts them at an extreme disadvantage to their peers who have kids that have been participating in contact football as early as 8 or 9 years old.

I would think that's a more likely scenario myself. I just don't see Center Grove getting almost unanimously denied by the HCC only to be re-admitted a year or so later. And I have real serious doubts that Center Grove and Carmel petitioned themselves as a package deal upon entry. Would have to assume there was some serious legwork done by both Carmel and Center Grove before formally requesting membership, and if Center Grove's acceptance wasn't contingent to Carmel, a package deal would have never been on the table. Center Grove and Carmel forming a new 6 team conference with 4 new members makes the most sense. Carmel and Center Grove are too big of names in the Midwest to be relegated to a nearly locked conference schedule. 5 conference games with the ability to schedule other Indiana powers/out of state opponents makes the most sense in my opinion.

What's been the downfall of McCutcheon? Jeff and Harrison are continuing on an upward trajectory and West Lafayette is one of the best public school programs in the state.

Lol. FRL is your only talking point and your whole schtick and reason for being here. You rehash it in every thread you post in. You made the parameters, not me.

Mystifying how you bring Cathedral up any chance you can. Rent free.