Footballking16

I’ll go all day calling out your BS. Happy to do it.

Purdue has 4 first year coaches this year and 2 second year coaches. That’s more than IU. “This hurts recruiting, especially when Purdue has maintained good staff continuity under Brohm”. Again, you’re a joke.

And Purdue’s hasn’t??? Three defensive coordinators in three years isn’t a revolving door? Explain please.

Ok. So are you going to walk back your comment about coaching turnover? IU had almost 30 guys go out with season ending injuries last year. That type of record should be expected when you play that tough of a schedule.

Lol. Purdue went 4-8 and 2-4 the two years prior to last years breakout season. Purdue is on their 3rd defensive coordinator in 4 years and this offseason was the first time since 2019 where they haven’t fired the position. Purdue has gutted its position coaches on the defensive side of the ball multiple times in the last few years. IU’s had two coordinators take head coaching positions elsewhere two of the last three years. That’s a good thing. IU fired OC Sheridan (thank God) and Charlton leaving for UNC allows Allen to go back to calling plays on the defensive side of the ball. McCullough left Notre Dame which isn’t surprising at all. Allen just plucked the defensive line coach from your savior PJ Fleck and hired RB and WR coaches who were coaching in the NFL last year. Per usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your blind hatred for Allen in favor of Brohm has clouded your judgement.

Arguably your best post of the year. Nobody has to take their time out to read it. We all win.

All kidding aside, it furthers my point. It’s a revolving door. One team benefits when the other is up and vice versa. There’s a handful of teams each year who benefit from the Success Factor. It doesn’t move the needle in terms of achieving competitive balance in the least. That still seems to be falling of deaf ears. Still failing to see where it says “promotes fair and competitive balance”…help me out.

Of the 7 teams to win 3A/4A, how many weren’t perennial winners prior to the SF? Roncalli/Dwenger winning 4A (because Cathedral is in 5A) and Memorial/West Lafayette winning 3A (because Chatard is in 4A) doesn’t enhance competitive balance you knob. Competitive balance doesn’t exist in high school football, as it has been repeatedly stated. There are haves and have-nots. Haves make up 10-15% of each class, yet win nearly 100% of the titles. Removing Cathedral from the 4A equation does nothing to dismiss the fact there are still 60 teams who have virtually a zero shot of winning a title. Again, bring me some kind of concrete evidence that the Success Factor has improved competitive balance. I’m still waiting.

You’ve yet to provide a single ounce of articulate evidence that shows an implementation of a rule that leaves 99% of the status quo unchanged as successful.

You’ve yet to provide a single ounce of articulate evidence that shows an implementation of a rule that leaves 99% of the status quo unchanged as successful. I’ll call you wrong starting in a different language going forward and I’d still be right.

You’re not wrong but I would love for @scarab527to make a rational argument as to how a rule that was targeted for 3 specific programs (the ones you mentioned) out of the 350+ schools between 20 or so IHSAA offered sports improves competitive balance? And it’s not like it has prevented those schools from continually winning state titles in additional classes. Cathedral will never be in 4A again so if that was the goal of the Success Factor I guess it worked, but 4A is still going to be dominated by primarily 3-4 teams year after year depending on who is bumped up. Cathedral no longer being in 4A is irrelevant to all but 61 or 62 4A teams.

You’ve yet to make an argument how the same handful of teams winning the state title year after year has improved competitive balance? You outed yourself when you said the Success Factor doesn’t apply to 99% of the IHSAA member schools. When an implementation of a new rule doesn’t affect 99% of the target audience…well I would hope you get the picture.

They’re all the same teams!!!! With the exception of Tri-West 8 years ago and Gibson Southern this last year, it’s the same damn group of 4-5 teams shuffling titles and runner-ups between them. Dwenger, Chatard, Memorial, West Lafayette, Roncalli, Andrean, etc All those programs have multiple appearances at LOS right up into the implementation of the Success Factor and current era. The Success Factor does nothing but change the fortunes of 2-3 programs for a 2 year cycle. Then it’s rinse, wash, repeat. Competitive balance isn’t being achieved. Like at all. You have 3 multi-millionaires at an auction bidding on priceless art in room of a hundred people common folk. One of them gets up to take a 15 minute bathroom break. 15 minutes the third guy comes back in the room. None of the common folk bought anything. Thats the Success Factor. It doesn’t change a damn thing.

It's pretty much the de-facto 3A/4A cycle between Chatard/Memorial/Roncalli. The same teams are winning essentially every year, just replacing the winner from the years prior. Rinse, wash, repeat. It's not improving competitive balance.

The same 2-3 teams are winning every year. When one team wins they get bumped up a class. Team #2 then wins and bumps up a class only to have the original team come back and win...only to be bumped back up a second time. Rinse, wash, repeat. This isn't improving competitive balance.

Because the same culprits winning in the pre-success factor era are still winning in the current era albeit a class up. I fail to see how an improvement in competitive balance has been achieved?

You don't think there's still bull in china shop situations in the Success Factor era? I got some land to sell you....

Lol. How does the Success Factor improve competitive balance when 99% of the schools are irrelevant? The Success Factor benefits all of 3-4 teams every two years in a given class. Given that competitive balance has never existed in high school sports (nor will it), I fail to see how the success factor has truly moved the needle? Before the success factor was implemented, realistically there was 5-6 teams a class that had a realistic shot of winning a state title. The same logic applies today with the Success Factor.

Agreed. The IHSAA has to keep a precedent set. If the IHSAA starts granting immediately eligibility for non move-ins/address changes to any and all students, it's going to end up being the wild west.

I fail to see how bumping 3-5 teams up a class every 2 years (out of 350+ member schools) improves competitive balance?

How does bumping a single team (or two) every two years improve competitive balance? I will assure you moving Cathedral from 4A to 5A didn't magically make Frankfort or Gary West a better football team. The Success Factor benefits a handful of teams every 2 years.

Then the IHSAA has done the absolute worst job imaginable in creating "fair and competitive balance" because it has never existed in high school sports nor will it ever. The IHSAA doesn't exists nor strive for all 360 something member schools to be on equal footing because it is literally an impossible feat. Show me one single thing the IHSAA has done or implemented that has improved fair and competitive balance? "Establishes standards for competition" doesn't mean what you think it means, as I previously stated. I already told you what it means and how it relates to their mission.

The IHSAA can't restrict a student from transferring from school A to school B. The IHSAA however can restrict varsity eligibility from a student transferring from school A to school B. Big difference. Please interpret how that relates to promoting fair and competitive balance?

Lol. That doesn't mean what you think it means. It means the IHSAA has the power to decide who plays who and when/where ie the "300 mile rule" which they just amended because you know, they have the power too.

Straight from the horses mouth...Show me where it says anything about promoting fair and competitive balance? I'll hang up and listen. https://www.ihsaa.org/About-IHSAA/Current-Information/Purpose PURPOSE OF THE INDIANA HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION Organized in 1903, the Indiana High School Athletic Association is a voluntary, not-for-profit organization that is self-supporting without the use of tax monies. Any high school in the state, or any junior high school offering ninth grade, whether public, private, parochial, or institutional, if accredited by the Indiana Department of Education, may become a member of the Association by making a formal application that is authorized by its board of education and by subscribing to the rules and By-Laws of the Association. Membership, once attained, is renewable annually provided requirements are met. The purpose of the IHSAA is to encourage and direct wholesome amateur athletics in the high schools of Indiana. In keeping with this mission, the Association: • Regulates, supervises and administers interschool athletic activities among its member high schools as an integral part of the secondary education program. A tournament series is sanctioned in 22 sports, 10 for girls, 10 for boys and two co-ed (unified flag football and unified track and field). This school year, more than 160,000 students will compete in IHSAA-sanctioned tournaments. • Cooperates with all agencies vitally concerned with the health and educational welfare of secondary school students. • Determines qualifications of individual contestants, coaches and officials. • Provides written communications to facilitate athletic relations among member schools. • Establishes standards for eligibility, competition and sportsmanship while providing protection against exploitation of schools or students. The IHSAA is governed by its legislative body, the Board of Directors. Composed of 19 members who are elected by member school principals from three IHSAA legislative districts, the directors serve staggered three-year terms. The Board of Directors meets annually with the responsibility of establishing the Association’s rules and regulations. The same 19 members of the Board also comprise the IHSAA Executive Committee. The Committee meets monthly and is responsible for organizing and directing state tournaments and meets, interpreting the Association's By-Laws, determining penalties for rules violations, establishing the Association's state office and employing a commissioner and staff to administer the daily functions of the Association.