Footballking16

Correct. And if the IHSAA lifts any restriction on athletically motivated transfers, what is to stop an elite AAU program like Spiece Indy Heat which features a ton of good local prospects from colluding with one another as AAU teammates to all transferring to one high school? Is it an extreme example? Probably, but it's not unheard of or unfathomable. With social media the way it is today, you already see high school recruits recruiting one another to come join them in the collegiate ranks, why stop there? Lifting restrictions on athletically motivated transfers is going to come with some severe unintended consequences.

I disagree that Cathedral struggles with those type of teams nowadays. Cathedral is more adept in the skill department than they were 10 years ago when they were regularly playing WC, Ben Davis, etc. Cathedral lost to Brownsburg because they were manhandled up front. Brownsburg beat Cathedral up front time after time (and Cathedral has 2 D1 recruits on the DL), pure and simple. Couple that with extremely poor special teams play, a few dumb penalties that extended drives for Brownsburg, and a costly turnover inside the 10 yard line, and that's how you lose a one score game.

We had a previous poster spanning multiple handles on here who used to always advocate for a CG/Carmel vs IMG type match-up. I don't think even DT, in all his infinite wisdom, could really understand the level of mismatch that a program like IMG or any of the regular top 10 nationally teams would present for a team like Center Grove or Carmel or any team for Indiana for that matter.

This is why I'm always skeptical of where Indiana teams stack up nationally whenever they appear in some of these national rankings list. I bet if you did a week by week list like this, you would find that most of these teams in the top 100 are playing against top 100 competition (or close to it) week after week, whereas a team from Indiana ranked in the top 100 is only playing 1-2, maybe 3 teams who come close to sniffing the top 100.

I'm not going to throw out any baseless accusations because there's none of which I have first hand knowledge, but I think you ought to be pretty naïve to not think there is some pretty widespread tampering going on given all the influx of transfers. I think it's more common on the hardwood vs gridiron, but I just don't think kids wake up in droves and decide to transfer without somebody in their ear or their families ear.

Can't get a read on either of these teams but will know more after this one. Thought LN would have competed a little better with Whiteland and put up more points in the scoring column given the heavy edge in the athletic department. Most would have guessed LC would be 0-2 heading into this game, but they've played two good teams extremely tough. LC wins this one 31-21 and proves they are heading in the right direction. Warren rolls 49-0 and O'Shea is starting to wonder why he took this job. BD big in a statement game, 35-14. Feel like giving up 34 points even in a win would feel like a disappointment. I hear you on predicting CG to lose, but unfortunately I have to do it this week. Big home field advantage to the Rocks and I think CG will really miss Wheat in this one. Low scoring game, Trinity 17-13 Feel like this a must win game for Carmel (even though it isn't in the grand scheme of things). Don't know much about Cass Tech other than they pump out regular D1 talent year after year, but so does King and they were throttled by Warren. King can't overcome the long bus ride down and Carmel gets their first win of the year 28-22

Way overthinking it. He’s right in one sense, a week 2 poll doesn’t mean anything in the long run, but if you’re going to release a weekly poll, don’t half ass it. Otherwise just drop it completely.

This is essentially the process is now. In instances where both schools sign off, the IHSAA rarely interjects themselves into these type of situations. Eron Gordon is the one high profile case where the IHSAA went great lengths to block a transfer where both schools had signed off. I'm fine with keeping it that way, but in this current transfer climate, you're going to see more and more athletically motivated transfers. Schools/coaches are going to have to start rejecting some of them to keep the integrity of the game, especially if the IHSAA isn't willing to do anything about.

And forgot to add in my last post, these are only outliers now because there is deterrence from the IHSAA in the form of varsity restriction. Take away the IHSAA's ability to regulate transfers and these type of outliers become the norm. Just look at the explosion of transfers in the NCAA the last 10 years. The NCAA initially ruled that grad students could transfer without a one year penalty and in the last year have given every player a one time transfer waiver. It's a mess.

What is the common type of transfer then? If a parent's true intention of moving their child into a different school district isn't athletically motivated (academics, safety, etc) then losing varsity eligibility for 365 day should be an after thought at that point. But this clearly isn't the case, as you can see all the fuss. I had a family member who was a dual sport athlete at a mega-enrollment Indy area high school. He wasn't getting it done in the classroom and his dad took him out of said school and put him in a small, private 1A high school that was less than 5 years old at the time. The school he was transferring from told the parents they weren't going to sign off on his release and the dad simply told the school, "I don't care, he's not playing sports until his grades are up to my standards". It was a genuine sentiment and the mega school eventually signed off without any restriction. Unfortunately in today's world, this isn't the primary type of transferring. Kids are absolutely jumping districts for pure athletic purposes. That's where you're wrong. It is the job of the IHSAA to keep the best interests of its member schools. I would potentially give a second thought to the IHSAA interjecting themselves into these kind of situations in the event both schools sign off on a transfer, but I simply cannot get behind the idea of high school athletics turning in to free agency.

Yeah total brain fart, they aren't undefeated. Would argue they played Brownsburg better than Cathedral though. Cathedral was down 3 TD's in the 4th quarter at one point. But do agree in principle, 6A does appear to be as wide open as it has ever been and there isn't a clear cut favorite as it stands. Can't really get a good read on HSE. Buried a North Central team like they should have and edged out a win against LC, whom I don't have a read on yet either.

Didn't even see that. Ya wow. I get the sentiment at having Cathedral at 3 and if you simply look at the box score of the Brownsburg game I can see how many would construe it as a close game, but the Irish were soundly beaten in all facets of that game. I would vote an undefeated Ben Davis team and a Warren team with a better resume win over Cathedral right now.

The typical transfer has already been described by @crimsonace1. Kids are either transferring to trophy shop or they are disgruntled with lack of playing time, exposure, etc and transfer to other school districts. These are absolutely athletically motivated transfers which the IHSAA wants to discourage. If you uplift a rule that restricts varsity eligible for 365 for athletically motivated transfers, where does the line stop? What is to prevent a kid from transferring 3 or 4 times during his high school career? Can you really say that transferring at-will promotes a healthy system? What is to stop kids/parents from colluding and transferring to form all-star teams at various schools across various sports?

New Pal only receiving 6 first place votes is utterly comical.

Loyola has some serious talent but to dismantle an X team like that is saying something. General feel on the Ohio boards is that this X team is extremely inexperience and lacks significant playmakers. Doesn't excuse the fact that X has a mammoth offensive line that was physically dominated. It's definitely a down year for the Bombers and have seen some of their posters already advocate for playing time from their Freshman QB who is apparently a stud athlete. I think that alone tells you the rest of the outlook in regards to the remainder of the season.

Pulling a kid from school after week 1 because your son isn't a sophomore starter or transferring because your son gets yanked after a couple of bad series even if it is a "parental decision" doesn't always serve in the best interest of a student-athlete either. The IHSAA is trying to avoid this by deterring immediate eligibility at the varsity level. If the IHSAA didn't have a say in this matter, this would be a common theme continuously occurring with parents who are trying to vicariously live their kids.

Penn is definitely resurgent (or at least appears that way) from the last two years and should be a more formidable opponent this go around. That being said, I think this is a terrible week to be playing Cathedral given the outcome of last week, especially how poorly the Irish played for most of the game. I can assure you practice this week will not be fun and I think the Cathedral defense will be out for blood.

How the tides have changed in the GCL. Moeller seemed like a program left for dead just a few years ago after several consecutive losing seasons and a carousel of coaching changes. Big Moe appears to be the heavy frontrunner in the GCL South and a legitimate state title contender. St. X who has dominated the GCL South for years and won a state title two years ago is 0-2 and coming off an absolute drubbing to Loyola up in Chicago. Bombers may only be a 2-3 win team this year. Just goes to show you how cyclical things are in high school football and how quick things can change for better or for worse.

The IHSAA serves as the intermediary between all its member schools. The rule is obviously in place to protect its collective members as a whole. If that means star players from School A, B, C, and D can't transfer without repercussion to School E then so be it, as that is the collective outlook you're going to see if the IHSAA completely absolves themselves from transfer situations. You won't find but maybe 1 or 2 coaches in all of the IHSAA sanctioned sports who actually support the idea of an open-window, free agency like market. It's just not conducive to high school sports and certainly not the message it is intended to deliver. My stance on that won't change.

Which I know has to pain Coach Purcell. Purcell is a Chatard grad himself and a very good guy. There will be better days for Ritter ahead (I hope). Too good of a program with sound tradition to stay down forever.

There's been an established rule for years (long before Niedig) that restricts varsity eligibility for up to 365 days from athletically motivated transfers. And up until these last few years, its been enforced as such. With such a large influx of transfers these last few years that the IHSAA has been pretty lax about enforcing, it's going to be an absolute free for all if the IHSAA abolishes it's long standing rule. I do not support the idea that kids should be able to transfer at-will without some kind of repercussion. My stance on that won't change. The rule absolutely exists to protect the IHSAA member schools as a whole.

I'm saying if the IHSAA doesn't put their foot down on all the influx in transfers, you're going to see kids transfer 3-4 times before their high school career is over. There's a top 50 basketball recruit here in state who started his freshman year Franklin Central, then transferred to Crispus Attucks, transferred to a prep school for his junior year, and is now back in-state this time playing for Warren Central. It's an absolute joke that is allowed to happen. If both schools sign off on a transfer, then I would agree the IHSAA needs to stay out of it. But the IHSAA should absolutely be allowed to have a say in an athletic transfer when one school doesn't sign off. A precedent needs to be set. Open enrollment allows kids to choose any school district they want prior to their freshman year. Deterring a kid from transferring 3-4 times in his high school career is the IHSAA's way of looking out for the best interest of a student-athlete. It's not healthy to do that, at all.

Of course you do. I don't agree with everything the IHSAA does, but you don't want Indiana High School Football turning into a charade like the NCAA has become do you? The NCAA has lost full control on the power dynamic they once held and college athletics is turning into a circus.

No one has suggested that. But the rule absolutely protects the IHSAA member schools and the IHSAA has to put the best interests from its members first and foremost. That's a no-brainer. You're confusing the two. The IHSAA can't restrict a parent from moving their kid from one school district to another, but they can absolutely restrict (as they should be able) varsity eligibility for blatant athletic purposes. Kids can still play JV for a year as well as club sports.

It's obviously a case by case scenario. A kid whose family lives in Carmel on the North Side of Indy that physically moves to say Greenwood or Whiteland should be eligible to play without any varsity restriction. This unfortunately isn't the common type of transfer though. A kid who lives in Fishers, attends Fishers for a year and then transfers to Noblesville 15 miles away is likely an arbitrary case. If both schools sign off on it, then the IHSAA shouldn't get involved as long as it is a one type deal. If you transfer a second time your varsity eligibility should be automatically rescinded for a year unless the transfer involves a physical address change that aligns with the school district the player's family is re-locating. The vast majority of transfers happening right now, at least in larger metropolitan areas, don't involve a physical address change however. Kid's are simply attending out of district schools and providing their own transportation.