Footballking16

You keep citing a scenario that doesn't come into play? Of the 8 the smallest schools in 6A, how many of them consistently have their seasons ended by schools with double their enrollment? Only on rare instances is that the case because the 8 smallest schools in 6A aren't good enough to advance out of their sectional against teams with like-size enrollments to begin with. When it comes to a team like Columbus North or Warsaw, it's irrelevant that they play in a tournament with Carmel or Ben Davis because Columbus North can't beat CG or Franklin Central and Warsaw can't beat Carroll or Homestead in their respective sectionals. If Columbus North or Warsaw were routinely making it to SS and losing to schools with twice their enrollment then you'd might have a leg to stand on. But there's absolutely no earthly rhyme or reason why a school like Columbus North or Warsaw should be moved down a class because they can't beat times that have similar enrollments to them.

I haven't. Last time I checked Noblesville and Lake Central have terrible football teams and HSE and Fishers are pretty decidedly average given their enrollment disparity among some of their peers. They all seem to be missing that one "It" factor though.....hmmm.

Non-sequitur. The teams that have 2,000 students aren't losing to the mega-school enrollments with 4,000 students. The teams with 2000-2500 students (namely from the north) are losing to teams with 2500-2800 students in the sectional rounds. It's a non-issue. Columbus North can't complain about playing in a tournament with schools like Ben Davis or Warren because they aren't good enough to make it that far. They can't beat schools like Center Grove and Franklin Central in their own sectional with like-size enrollments. The whole premise of the argument is flawed. 6A doesn't have a mega-enrollment problem. Half of the mega-enrollment schools are average to just downright bad. 6A has a Carmel, Center Grove, Warren, and Ben Davis problem. Nothing more, nothing less. Moving the 8 smallest schools to 5A doesn't solve that problem.

I'm saying that is an alternative to the 24 team playoff. 6A is fine as is and doesn't need tweaked for the betterment of 8 teams on the premise of an enrollment disadvantaged.

Because teams that go 0-9, 1-8 don't deserve to be in a tournament that crowns a state champion in the first place. But that is for a different time and thread.

If you only need to win 4 games to be crowned state champion, I'd prefer a qualifier that cuts the field in half. 16 teams means 4 games for everyone.

Not sure I could get on board w a team only having to win 4 games to be crowned a state champion. If you’re going that route where a team only needs to win 4 games, better off cutting 6A in half at the end of the regular season. Would at least be a more competitive tournament.

It's not an enrollment problem. Never has been. Two best teams in the HCC this year were also the two smallest enrollment schools. Both made it to their respective state finals.

Thank you for actually doing this. I figured it would look something like this and looks even better visually. This entire argument is a farce. Dummying down 6A does nothing to enhance either the 5A or 6A tournament.

The tournament is designed to crown the best team, not cater to individual schools. We currently don't have seeding, let alone a qualification format, I'd say those 8 schools have it as good as they are going to get it. Again, the problem isn't mega-school enrollments. It's a Center Grove, Carmel, Warren, BD problem. If you magically removed Ben Davis and Warren from the equation, people would still complain about a Center Grove and Carmel problem. Simple solution is to permanently move Carmel to the South. Would still make for blowouts in the state title game but you'd at least get better representation from the North. A lot more practical solution than further diluting an already diluted field.

Probably because Texas is 5-6x the size of Indiana and thus likely has the appropriate amount of schools to put on several non-public tournaments. Not feasible in Indiana.

There's two freaking schools in the state that have 4000+ students. THOSE ARE THE OUTLIERS. Dummying down the system, again, because of two schools, for the benefit of 8 is stupid (and wrong). An overwhelming majority of 8 teams listed don't ever play Carmel or Ben Davis in the tournament because they can't get out of sectionals against like-sized publics. It's a neanderthal argument.

Cathedral has been the smallest enrollment school in their class since the inception of the SF and by this time next year will be competing in a class two above their normal enrollment for the second time. What in the hell are you talking about?

YoU DiDN't KNoW ThAt?

You have lost your damn mind.

We’ve been over this. Mark Bless has ZERO issue scheduling schools like Guerin or Gibson Southern when it’s convenient (non-elimination). Columbus North has a larger enrollment disparity over Gibson Southern than Carmel does over Columbus North. Columbus North hasn’t had their season ended by a mega-enrollment school since they lost to Warren in 2006. They can’t beat Center Grove, they can’t beat Franklin Central, hell they lost to Jeffersonville a few years back. This idea that CN is being held back because they lose year in and year out to schools twice their size is nothing short of delusion. The idea that the IHSAA needs to dummy down another class, again, for 7-8 schools, is ridiculous.

Embarrassing. Merrillville and Columbus North can’t beat the like-sized public’s they go against in the 6A tournament. Blaming their lack of postseason success on enrollment disadvantage that really doesn’t affect either program shows how far away either program is from contending for a state championship regardless of what class they’re in.

Lol what? Name the last time a mega-enrollment school ended Columbus North’s season? 10-15 years ago? Warsaw? They need to worry about beating Homestead or Carroll first. Valpo and Snider aren’t even in 6A. There’s two teams that have a legitimate gripe as they play in loaded sectionals; LC and Southport. Is bumping LC and Southport to 5A to routinely play in sectionals with the Cathedral’s, Roncalli’s, and New Pal’s of 5A a seismic difference? No. What does BD and Warren’s enrollment have anything to do with lack of postseason success for the majority of the schools you listed? Nothing.

Would 6A be any different if it was rescinded to 24 teams? 12? 6? Not sure it would.

Never said you commented on it. I asked you a question though as it relates to this thread. Do you think 6A needs to be realigned due to mega-enrollment schools for the betterment of a handful of programs?

Does 6A warrant realignment because of Penn? Fishers, North Central, Pike, Lake Central, HSE; all top 10 enrollments? I didn't think so.

Didn't miss much. Mouse Trap (pain in the ass to set up but worth it) and Operation were the way to go.

Lost in all this nonsense about enrollment is the real root of the problem; tournament alignment. We aren't having this conversation if Carmel went South every year. By my count, there are 6 mega school enrollments who go North; Fishers, Penn, HSE, Lake Central, Noblesville, and Crown Point. No one would give a damn and complain about a mega-enrollment disadvantage if a team like Warsaw or Carroll were losing to teams like Lake Central and Crown Point. A school like Columbus North can't compete in 6A not because they are at an enrollment disadvantage but because they can't beat the like-sized public school 30 miles up the road. Same goes for Warsaw, Lafayette Jeff, Chesterton. These teams aren't bowing out every year to Carmel, Warren, BD, they can't even get out sectionals. It's a silly and preposterous argument.

Clearly. I missed where Center Grove had a mega-enrollment?

Penn and Fishers are no better than the majority of the 8 teams DT is petitioning to move to 5A. It's not an enrollment issue. What else is it then? If you're a school with 3000+ students and only a quarter or so of your students are on free/reduced lunch, how is it anything other than a culture issue? The same week Center Grove schedules the Colts. Nonsensical whataboutism.