whiteshoes Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 1. Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei (6-0) 2. Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco (7-0) 3. Las Vegas (NV) Bishop Gorman (6-1) 4. Milton (GA) (8-0) 5. Duncanville (TX) (5-0) 6. Houston (TX) North Shore (6-0) 7. Humble (TX) Atascocita (6-0) 8. Bradenton (FL) IMG Academy (5-1) 9. Hollywood (FL) Chaminade-Madonna (6-2) 10. Fort Worth (TX) North Crowley (6-0) 11. Mission Viejo (CA) (7-0) 12. Fort Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas (6-2) 13. Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic (5-1) 14. Corona (CA) Centennial (5-2) 15. Carrollton (GA) (8-0) 16. Severn (MD) Archbishop Spalding (8-0) 17. Southlake (TX) Carroll (7-0) 18. Buford (GA) (6-1) 19. DeSoto (TX) (4-2) 20. Baltimore (MD) St. Francis Academy (4-3) 21. Concord (CA) De LaSalle (5-0) 22. Danville (KY) Boyle County (6-0) 23. Lakeland (FL) (6-0) 24. Orange (CA) Lutheran (5-2) 25. Belleville (MI) (7-0) 26. Houston (TX) Summer Creek (5-1) 27. Miami (FL) Central (5-1) 28. Suwanee (GA) North Gwinnett (7-0) 29. East St. Louis (IL) (7-0) 30. Pinson (AL) Clay-Chalkville (7-0) 31. Bryant (AR) (6-0) 32. Draper (UT) Corner Canyon (8-1) 33. Venice (FL) (6-1) 34. Austin (TX) Westlake (5-1) 35. Chattanooga (TN) Baylor (7-0) 36. Hyattsville (MD) DeMatha (5-1) 37. Folsom (CA) (5-1) 38. Seffner (FL) Armwood (8-0) 39. Anaheim (CA) Servite (6-1) 40. Ruston (LA) (6-0) 41. Auburn (AL) (7-0) 42. Philadelphia (PA) Imhotep Charter (7-1) 43. Miami (FL) Norland (6-1) 44. Massillon (OH) Washington (6-2) 45. Phoenix City (AL) Central (6-1) 46. Katy (TX) (5-1) 47. Greensboro (NC) Grimsley (7-0) 48. San Juan Capistrano (CA) J Serra Catholic (5-2) 49. Saraland (AL) (7-0) 50. Aledo (TX) (6-1) 51. Peoria (AZ) Liberty (5-1) 52. Alabaster (AL) Thompson (6-2) 53. Portland (OR) Central Catholic (5-0) 54. Leesburg (GA) Lee County (7-0) 55. Norfolk (VA) Maury (6-0) 56. Matthews (NC) Weddington (6-0) 57. St. Louis (MO) Cardinal Ritter Prep (6-0) 58. Chandler (AZ) Basha (6-1) 59. Loganville (GA) Grayson (4-1) 60. Littleton (CO) Columbine (7-0) 61. Valdosta (GA) (7-0) 62. Plantation (FL) American Heritage (3-4) 63. Lakewood (OH) St. Edward (5-3) 64. Anderson (SC) Westside (5-0) 65. Cibolo (TX) Steele (6-1) 66. Nashville (TN) Christ Presbyterian Academy (8-0) 67. Frankfort (IL) Lincoln-Way East (6-0) 68. Wayne (NJ) DePaul Catholic (6-0) 69. Rock Hill (SC) Northwestern (7-0) 70. Thomasville (GA) Thomas County Central (7-1) 71. Brownsburg (IN) (8-0) 72. Avon (OH) (8-0) 73. Wyndmoor (PA) La Salle College (8-0) 74. Chandler (AZ) Hamilton (5-1) 75. Irmo (SC) Dutch Fork (6-0) 76. Midwest City (OK) Carl Albert (6-0) 77. Cuyahoga Falls (OH) Walsh Jesuit (8-0) 78. Martinsburg (WV) (7-0) 79. Chatsworth (CA) Sierra Canyon (4-3) 80. Franklin (WI) (8-0) 81. Austin (TX) Lake Travis (6-0) 82. Cincinnati (OH) Archbishop Moeller (7-1) 83. Clearwater (FL) Central Catholic (6-0) 84. West Linn (OR) (6-0) 85. Murfreesboro (TN) Oakland (7-0) 86. Lehi (UT) Skybridge (7-2) 87. Cocoa (FL) (3-3) 88. Ewe Beach (HI) Campbell (6-0) 89. Philadelphia (PA) St. Joseph Prep (4-2) 90. Coppell (TX) (6-0) 91. Las Vegas (NV) Arbor View (6-1) 92. Akron (OH) Archbishop Hoban (6-2) 93. Princeton (NJ) Hun (6-1) 94. Highland (UT) Lone Peak (7-2) 95. Kingsland (GA) Camden County (6-1) 96. Allen (TX) (7-0) 97. Novi (MI) Central Catholic (7-0) 98. Queen Creek (AZ) Leadership Academy (6-0) 99. Hoschton (GA) Mill Creek (6-2) 100. Owasso (OK) (6-0) Quote
temptation Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 5 minutes ago, whiteshoes said: 1. Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei (6-0) 2. Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco (7-0) 3. Las Vegas (NV) Bishop Gorman (6-1) 4. Milton (GA) (8-0) 5. Duncanville (TX) (5-0) 6. Houston (TX) North Shore (6-0) 7. Humble (TX) Atascocita (6-0) 8. Bradenton (FL) IMG Academy (5-1) 9. Hollywood (FL) Chaminade-Madonna (6-2) 10. Fort Worth (TX) North Crowley (6-0) 11. Mission Viejo (CA) (7-0) 12. Fort Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas (6-2) 13. Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic (5-1) 14. Corona (CA) Centennial (5-2) 15. Carrollton (GA) (8-0) 16. Severn (MD) Archbishop Spalding (8-0) 17. Southlake (TX) Carroll (7-0) 18. Buford (GA) (6-1) 19. DeSoto (TX) (4-2) 20. Baltimore (MD) St. Francis Academy (4-3) 21. Concord (CA) De LaSalle (5-0) 22. Danville (KY) Boyle County (6-0) 23. Lakeland (FL) (6-0) 24. Orange (CA) Lutheran (5-2) 25. Belleville (MI) (7-0) 26. Houston (TX) Summer Creek (5-1) 27. Miami (FL) Central (5-1) 28. Suwanee (GA) North Gwinnett (7-0) 29. East St. Louis (IL) (7-0) 30. Pinson (AL) Clay-Chalkville (7-0) 31. Bryant (AR) (6-0) 32. Draper (UT) Corner Canyon (8-1) 33. Venice (FL) (6-1) 34. Austin (TX) Westlake (5-1) 35. Chattanooga (TN) Baylor (7-0) 36. Hyattsville (MD) DeMatha (5-1) 37. Folsom (CA) (5-1) 38. Seffner (FL) Armwood (8-0) 39. Anaheim (CA) Servite (6-1) 40. Ruston (LA) (6-0) 41. Auburn (AL) (7-0) 42. Philadelphia (PA) Imhotep Charter (7-1) 43. Miami (FL) Norland (6-1) 44. Massillon (OH) Washington (6-2) 45. Phoenix City (AL) Central (6-1) 46. Katy (TX) (5-1) 47. Greensboro (NC) Grimsley (7-0) 48. San Juan Capistrano (CA) J Serra Catholic (5-2) 49. Saraland (AL) (7-0) 50. Aledo (TX) (6-1) 51. Peoria (AZ) Liberty (5-1) 52. Alabaster (AL) Thompson (6-2) 53. Portland (OR) Central Catholic (5-0) 54. Leesburg (GA) Lee County (7-0) 55. Norfolk (VA) Maury (6-0) 56. Matthews (NC) Weddington (6-0) 57. St. Louis (MO) Cardinal Ritter Prep (6-0) 58. Chandler (AZ) Basha (6-1) 59. Loganville (GA) Grayson (4-1) 60. Littleton (CO) Columbine (7-0) 61. Valdosta (GA) (7-0) 62. Plantation (FL) American Heritage (3-4) 63. Lakewood (OH) St. Edward (5-3) 64. Anderson (SC) Westside (5-0) 65. Cibolo (TX) Steele (6-1) 66. Nashville (TN) Christ Presbyterian Academy (8-0) 67. Frankfort (IL) Lincoln-Way East (6-0) 68. Wayne (NJ) DePaul Catholic (6-0) 69. Rock Hill (SC) Northwestern (7-0) 70. Thomasville (GA) Thomas County Central (7-1) 71. Brownsburg (IN) (8-0) 72. Avon (OH) (8-0) 73. Wyndmoor (PA) La Salle College (8-0) 74. Chandler (AZ) Hamilton (5-1) 75. Irmo (SC) Dutch Fork (6-0) 76. Midwest City (OK) Carl Albert (6-0) 77. Cuyahoga Falls (OH) Walsh Jesuit (8-0) 78. Martinsburg (WV) (7-0) 79. Chatsworth (CA) Sierra Canyon (4-3) 80. Franklin (WI) (8-0) 81. Austin (TX) Lake Travis (6-0) 82. Cincinnati (OH) Archbishop Moeller (7-1) 83. Clearwater (FL) Central Catholic (6-0) 84. West Linn (OR) (6-0) 85. Murfreesboro (TN) Oakland (7-0) 86. Lehi (UT) Skybridge (7-2) 87. Cocoa (FL) (3-3) 88. Ewe Beach (HI) Campbell (6-0) 89. Philadelphia (PA) St. Joseph Prep (4-2) 90. Coppell (TX) (6-0) 91. Las Vegas (NV) Arbor View (6-1) 92. Akron (OH) Archbishop Hoban (6-2) 93. Princeton (NJ) Hun (6-1) 94. Highland (UT) Lone Peak (7-2) 95. Kingsland (GA) Camden County (6-1) 96. Allen (TX) (7-0) 97. Novi (MI) Central Catholic (7-0) 98. Queen Creek (AZ) Leadership Academy (6-0) 99. Hoschton (GA) Mill Creek (6-2) 100. Owasso (OK) (6-0) 101. Lawrence North (IN) (8-0) Quote
whiteshoes Posted October 17, 2024 Author Posted October 17, 2024 12 hours ago, temptation said: 101. Lawrence North (IN) (8-0) There are several #101's in the country. First off, your Top 25 in the state is very good. Currently I have LN 5th behind Brownsburg, Westfield, Cathedral and Crown Point. The beauty is that we will have an answer to that question in about six weeks. On a national level, this is not one of Indiana's best years. Similar to Ohio, it is a down year which happens to most states, except Texas, Florida and California. I have Brownsburg ranked but they are shaky (see the Noblesville game). The poll was tough as only one team dropped out of the Top 100 (Douglas (GA) Coffee who lost to another Top 100 team). I often tell people the final 10 are tougher than the first 10. With teams like Tupelo (MS), Owasso (OK), Omaha (NE) Westside, Orlando (FL) Jones, Las Vegas (NV) Faith Lutheran, and the aforementioned Douglas (GA) Coffee, it makes it real tough. One thing I would suggest to LN folks, is that to make a splash on the national scene you need to upgrade your schedule. Similar to what Ben Davis and Center Grove are doing by bringing in IMG Academy and St. Frances Academy. Playing the likes of Fort Wayne Northside will not gain you any notice. I would love to have more Indiana teams in my poll, but I would get chewed up on my national boards if I did it subjectively. Give me some basis for the ranking and I will be glad to have them there. 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, whiteshoes said: There are several #101's in the country. First off, your Top 25 in the state is very good. Currently I have LN 5th behind Brownsburg, Westfield, Cathedral and Crown Point. The beauty is that we will have an answer to that question in about six weeks. On a national level, this is not one of Indiana's best years. Similar to Ohio, it is a down year which happens to most states, except Texas, Florida and California. I have Brownsburg ranked but they are shaky (see the Noblesville game). The poll was tough as only one team dropped out of the Top 100 (Douglas (GA) Coffee who lost to another Top 100 team). I often tell people the final 10 are tougher than the first 10. With teams like Tupelo (MS), Owasso (OK), Omaha (NE) Westside, Orlando (FL) Jones, Las Vegas (NV) Faith Lutheran, and the aforementioned Douglas (GA) Coffee, it makes it real tough. One thing I would suggest to LN folks, is that to make a splash on the national scene you need to upgrade your schedule. Similar to what Ben Davis and Center Grove are doing by bringing in IMG Academy and St. Frances Academy. Playing the likes of Fort Wayne Northside will not gain you any notice. I would love to have more Indiana teams in my poll, but I would get chewed up on my national boards if I did it subjectively. Give me some basis for the ranking and I will be glad to have them there. Always appreciate the poll and could not even begin to imagine the amount of research and homework that goes into compiling it. I assume that next level talent plays a factor and LN has it (albeit, not SEC level). Now, I think the two youngsters on their roster (Moore and Sales) will actually be the best of the bunch and will be power 5 guys when all is said and done. They are sophomores right now so they might not show up on national recruiting rankings. CG is facing your #20 team this week and LN beat CG handily last week so maybe that’ll be a good barometer? I’ll shut up for now as I have LN and Brownsburg in a dead heat for IN #1 right now and assume that the gap between US #71 and US #101 is razor thin. Edited October 17, 2024 by temptation Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 1 hour ago, whiteshoes said: I have Brownsburg ranked but they are shaky (see the Noblesville game). The poll was tough as only one team dropped out of the Top 100 (Douglas (GA) Coffee who lost to another Top 100 team). I wasn't surprised there was a close game between Brownsburg and Noblesville. For starters it was a conference game they play each other every year. Secondly Noblesville runs an Offense that gives teams fits because they just don't see it often anymore. Their T-formation just does not get ran by many teams, but what it can do is eat up clock and limit the other teams possessions. if you look at the scores of the game the Millers usually stay within 7 points. They are 2-6 but a scary team to face because with their ball control offense they usually keep themselves in a manageable game they just haven't climbed over that hump yet to get the W's. Doing a National top 100 though is tough because those types of things can not be seen in an overall look. I did get to see Owasso play Jenks this year while I was in Oklahoma, they are a very good football team. Indiana does not look to be one of their best years on a National level. The level of play is the same as other years, but there is a lot more parity with multiple teams playing at a high level in the largest class but really not 1 dominant team. It didn't lend itself very well on a National level though. You do a great job with your top 100 Whiteshoe's, I usually peek at it and go find film on a couple of the top 25 teams you list just to see them in action when I have the chance. 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: I wasn't surprised there was a close game between Brownsburg and Noblesville. For starters it was a conference game they play each other every year. Secondly Noblesville runs an Offense that gives teams fits because they just don't see it often anymore. Their T-formation just does not get ran by many teams, but what it can do is eat up clock and limit the other teams possessions. if you look at the scores of the game the Millers usually stay within 7 points. They are 2-6 but a scary team to face because with their ball control offense they usually keep themselves in a manageable game they just haven't climbed over that hump yet to get the W's. Doing a National top 100 though is tough because those types of things can not be seen in an overall look. I did get to see Owasso play Jenks this year while I was in Oklahoma, they are a very good football team. Indiana does not look to be one of their best years on a National level. The level of play is the same as other years, but there is a lot more parity with multiple teams playing at a high level in the largest class but really not 1 dominant team. It didn't lend itself very well on a National level though. You do a great job with your top 100 Whiteshoe's, I usually peek at it and go find film on a couple of the top 25 teams you list just to see them in action when I have the chance. Not sure if it’s hyperbole but heard that Brownsburg ran less than 10 plays in the first half Friday night due to Noblesville churning up the clock with their running game. Quote
Muda69 Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 15 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: I wasn't surprised there was a close game between Brownsburg and Noblesville. For starters it was a conference game they play each other every year. Secondly Noblesville runs an Offense that gives teams fits because they just don't see it often anymore. Their T-formation just does not get ran by many teams, but what it can do is eat up clock and limit the other teams possessions. if you look at the scores of the game the Millers usually stay within 7 points. They are 2-6 but a scary team to face because with their ball control offense they usually keep themselves in a manageable game they just haven't climbed over that hump yet to get the W's. The Millers better move away from that antiquated T-formation to the spread so they can score some points. A 55-54 win is better than a 18-22 loss, right? Forget about defense, it's so overrated in today's IHSAA football. 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Muda69 said: The Millers better move away from that antiquated T-formation to the spread so they can score some points. A 55-54 win is better than a 18-22 loss, right? Forget about defense, it's so overrated in today's IHSAA football. Maybe it fits their current crop of players best? The spread is often associated with getting players in space and using their speed advantage in many instances, correct? Based on what I’ve seen in the fall AND spring, Noblesville is one of the slowest (if not THE slowest) teams in the HCC…and probably not so by design. Edited October 17, 2024 by temptation Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 41 minutes ago, temptation said: Not sure if it’s hyperbole but heard that Brownsburg ran less than 10 plays in the first half Friday night due to Noblesville churning up the clock with their running game. If this tells you anything: Time of possession 40:32 to 7::28 Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 29 minutes ago, Muda69 said: The Millers better move away from that antiquated T-formation to the spread so they can score some points. A 55-54 win is better than a 18-22 loss, right? Forget about defense, it's so overrated in today's IHSAA football. Center Grove for many years ran the Wing T to do the same thing ball control. They have switched to a spread over the years because it has suited their personnel with some terrific QB's but their base and bread and butter is the Wing T offense. It is ran in their lower levels too and their players are well disciplined to it. Run what fits your personnel and Coach Sharpe done fine at Noblesville they are much closer to climbing over that hump than when he first got there. There are benefits to running the football and playing defense just ask East Central. 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: If this tells you anything: Time of possession 40:32 to 7::28 Wow. Quote
whiteshoes Posted October 17, 2024 Author Posted October 17, 2024 1 hour ago, temptation said: Always appreciate the poll and could not even begin to imagine the amount of research and homework that goes into compiling it. I assume that next level talent plays a factor and LN has it (albeit, not SEC level). Now, I think the two youngsters on their roster (Moore and Sales) will actually be the best of the bunch and will be power 5 guys when all is said and done. They are sophomores right now so they might not show up on national recruiting rankings. CG is facing your #20 team this week and LN beat CG handily last week so maybe that’ll be a good barometer? I’ll shut up for now as I have LN and Brownsburg in a dead heat for IN #1 right now and assume that the gap between US #71 and US #101 is razor thin. And St. Frances comes in with losses to #1 Mater Dei, #5 Duncanville (TX) by three, and #24 Orange (CA) Lutheran. Last week they beat a ranked Princeton (NJ) Hun team 37-6, the same Hun team that beat Chicago (IL) Mt. Carmel the first week of the season. CG has its work cut out for it. 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: I wasn't surprised there was a close game between Brownsburg and Noblesville. For starters it was a conference game they play each other every year. Secondly Noblesville runs an Offense that gives teams fits because they just don't see it often anymore. Their T-formation just does not get ran by many teams, but what it can do is eat up clock and limit the other teams possessions. if you look at the scores of the game the Millers usually stay within 7 points. They are 2-6 but a scary team to face because with their ball control offense they usually keep themselves in a manageable game they just haven't climbed over that hump yet to get the W's. Doing a National top 100 though is tough because those types of things can not be seen in an overall look. I did get to see Owasso play Jenks this year while I was in Oklahoma, they are a very good football team. Indiana does not look to be one of their best years on a National level. The level of play is the same as other years, but there is a lot more parity with multiple teams playing at a high level in the largest class but really not 1 dominant team. It didn't lend itself very well on a National level though. You do a great job with your top 100 Whiteshoe's, I usually peek at it and go find film on a couple of the top 25 teams you list just to see them in action when I have the chance. Owasso caught my attention with its opening game win over highly rated Bixby. They have already had wins this season over both Jenks and Union, which is the standard in Oklahoma. Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 1 hour ago, whiteshoes said: And St. Frances comes in with losses to #1 Mater Dei, #5 Duncanville (TX) by three, and #24 Orange (CA) Lutheran. Last week they beat a ranked Princeton (NJ) Hun team 37-6, the same Hun team that beat Chicago (IL) Mt. Carmel the first week of the season. CG has its work cut out for it. Owasso caught my attention with its opening game win over highly rated Bixby. They have already had wins this season over both Jenks and Union, which is the standard in Oklahoma. Our Hotel was about 10 minutes from Jenks and 5 minutes from Oral Roberts. So I decided to attend a game at Allen Trimble Stadium it ended up being Owasso at Jenks. I enjoyed it. Owasso won 42-24. Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 1 hour ago, whiteshoes said: And St. Frances comes in with losses to #1 Mater Dei, #5 Duncanville (TX) by three, and #24 Orange (CA) Lutheran. Last week they beat a ranked Princeton (NJ) Hun team 37-6, the same Hun team that beat Chicago (IL) Mt. Carmel the first week of the season. CG has its work cut out for it. St. Frances closes out with Clearwater Central Catholic and IMG also after Center Grove. A lot of road games at the end of their season! Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 7 hours ago, temptation said: Wow. That is why I say Noblesville is a team nobody wants to see. They get their run game going and play good defense it can do damage (especially in poor weather). Quote
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