IndianaWrestlingGuy

25 minutes ago, DL6 said:

Ok. Sorry to upset you. Was just quoting your website (which very clearly states that full tuition is offered through the program.)

If that is a misprint on the website, then I hope it is corrected.

And literally the best player on Cathedral’s team this year is from St. Roch, so I’m not sure where you’re going with the “Roncalli doesn’t have to compete for students” narrative.

Do you think Geico saves you 15% every time for your 15 minutes? Umm, no. Welcome to marketing. 
 

We’ll pluck a McCahill or a Montefalco or a Gillum out of south side every once in while. Usually only when they are the most talented student-athlete down there. 

44 minutes ago, DL6 said:

Just because you don’t like that I’m calling it out doesn’t mean it’s “completely false and laughable.”

I mean, it even says so on the school website... “ Shamrock Scholar grantors choose to provide a quarter, half or full need-based tuition assistance scholarship for a student for the duration of their time at Cathedral (generally four years).”

The above is copied directly from https://www.gocathedral.com/giving/cathedral-fund/supportshamrockscholars

In addition, your claim that poor old Cathedral only pulls from north deanery schools is also bogus. Your Mr. Football candidate quarterback went to St. Roch (south deanery), your D1 sophomore TE went to St. Michael (west deanery), not to mention the multiple public school kids on roster.

Cathedral also invites every student from the archdiocese, not just north deanery, to attend their open house. Cathedral is a sponsor of the south deanery parish I belong to- Nativity- and consistently attracts students from there.

I can also add that I’ve sat down with a Holy Name family frustrated that Roncalli could not match the financial aid package Cathedral was offering them. The kid went to Cathedral for free. 

These are facts. If you want to call them “irresponsible” and “laughable,” then I don’t know what to tell you.

Couple things:

1. Yes, we’ll take any and all kids from the Indy or Lafayette archdioceses, especially kids from St. Jude. And, guess what, so will Roncalli. Chatard has more St.Michael kids on their roster than Cathedral does. Facts of Northside Catholicism. Be thankful you don’t have to deal with any other high school or archdiocese. Hope someone starts one down there, so actually have to work for the kids. The Lafayette Archdiocese locks Chatard and Cathedral out from all their grade school kids, which is half of the Northside Catholics. Roncalli, on the other hand, has no competition. That is why is has been such an embarrassment for you the last 8-10 years while your program flailed. With 8 captive feeder schools. 
2. I’m on the enrollment committee of CHS. I can guarantee that no one has a free ride there. We market accordingly for Sharmrock Scholars to attract diversity (race, religion, and academics). And, we do our best to get close in the most dire situations. But every kid pays something. It is part of our philosophy. I.E. If your parents made you pay for a part of college, you certainly worked for better grades. Same goes. Less than 33% of our population gets aid, so you can back those numbers out as much as you want. 
 

I will say it is good to see Roncalli back! Finally, the Rebel grads are rearing with new confidence. State-gilded with a new championship and feeling their oats on the GID. Since you have a great new coach, maybe he’ll schedule Cathedral again since you dropped us 6 years ago and have wanted nothing to do with us. Come and get it. 

2 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Yes. According to Harrell the last State Championship loss for Cathedral was in 1991 losing to FW Dwenger 34-27. . I believe Coach Peebles brother Terry was QB for that Cathedral team.

Heartbreaking and one of the better 3A finals games in history. After a see-saw battle and 4 lead changes, Cathedral had the ball with under 2 minutes to go and the score tied in our our territory. We ran a pretty good option on that team. On a QB keeper, Dwenger LB and future NFL vet Kevin Fabini had a perfect helmet hit on the ball knocking it 5 feet in the air into Dwenger LB Kevin Caretta (Notre Dame) hands for an fumble and score. One of the most heartwrenching losses in CHS history. 
 

These days Dwenger’s QB, Chris Dittoe (Indiana), has a son on the Cathedral team with a few other Cathedral graduates’ kids from that ‘91 classic. That was Dwenger’s 2nd title in as many years and Cathedral went on to start our run of state championships the following year in 1992 with a beat down of Northwestern. 

On 11/28/2020 at 9:51 PM, DL6 said:

The majority of students at these schools (and football players) attend their “feeder” deanery schools. As a southsider, I can only speak for Roncalli but 21 of their 22 starters are from south side Catholic grade schools. The one exception is a linebacker from Perry Meridian who followed Scott Marsh when he came to Roncalli from Perry.

Since you aren’t well informed about private schools, let me help you. You insinuate that private schools don’t have “feeder schools” like Roncalli has with basic exclusivity with Jude, Mark, Roch, Barnabas, Nativity, and Francis/Clare. False. The only difference in Cathedral’s case is we have to share the pool with two other major Catholic high schools over two different archdiocese. We have the same “feeder schools” as you. The kids play their CYO ball on our campus. Etc. Cathedral had 18 of 22 starters that played in the CYO on this title team.

But, let’s take Cathedral out of the mix since you mentioned Park Tudor and Lutheran too. I can assure you that Park Tudor gets almost every student from their two “feeder schools” of Orchard and Park Tudor Middle School. Last year, Park Tudor got 4 St. Luke kids also, but that is an anomaly.  To suggest they pull from all over the city is just fiction. I’m sure the list goes on, but here are two examples. 
 

On 11/28/2020 at 9:51 PM, DL6 said:

This is completely different than a private school, such as Lutheran, Cathedral, Park Tudor, or any other non-parochial private school in Indianapolis. These schools “attract” students from across Indianapolis and operate under different financial aid rules than parochial schools. For instance, Roncalli accepts vouchers OR financial aid qualifications, but not both. This means if a student qualifies for the voucher program and Roncalli’s financial aid program, they have to choose one or the other. This is not the case at private, non-parochial schools in Indianapolis, which is why kids are able to attend those schools for free.

This is completely false and laughable. I can only speak to Cathedral on this slight, but there isn’t a single kid that goes to Cathedral “for free” unless they are the child of a teacher with tenure. 
 

Cathedral has the same SGO rules that Roncalli, Chatard, Scecina, and Ritter do. Parents still decide which package is better for them between SGO or financial aid. The real disadvantage Cathedral has is it gets ZERO dollars from the archdiocese like Roncalli does to fund this financial aid. We have to fundraise it every single year. Every year. So, to imply there is some sort of parochial disadvantage to a private is completely irresponsible. In fact, this entire topic is a complete boondoggle. Trying to find one thing accurate about it as I re-read it. 

2 hours ago, Grandpa B said:

Well said.  Well said indeed.  Had one Son who played in 3 State Championship Games.  Had another Son who never won a Football Sectional Game.  Never sent our kids to Roncalli for trophies but for the other 10 things that are on "the list" ahead of that.   

Indeed. Grinding our arses off to make these Cathedral squads. As of now, my oldest has 3 rings as a “role player” w minimal playing time as a junior in two sports.  He understands capitalism now and we’re confident he gets his run next year. It’s why I sacrifice to send him there. We’re very thankful for our Cathedral experience. Great families and heritage. Great habits. Great understanding of preparation and expectations. Been bliss the last couple days. 
 

I have many other thoughts on this topic though. I think the original post is complete dogsheet. I’ll expound later. Seems like a dig by a Roncalli guy on privates. Roncalli is absolutely not different than Cathedral other than they get archdiocese $ and have absolutely no competition for Catholic kids on the Southside. 

As for no D1 players, Cathedral will have plenty. We had only 7 seniors on this starting team, so this is a very junior laden squad. Jake Langdon has a scholarship and will attend Columbia. Power5 D1 scholarships coming next year for Owen Wood (LT), Cooper Koers (RT), Jeff Utzinger (OLB), Brennan Wooten (TE - Sophomore), Kendrick Gilbert (DT - Sophomore).

D1 Scholarships coming next year for Chris Farah (OG), Huddy Miller (ILB), Jack Goheen (ILB), Michael Page (WR), Bryce Llewelyn (DB), and Parker Spellacy (TE). Maybe a couple others, but these guys are a lock in my opinion. 
 

PS. It was incredible to watch CHS’s Terry McLaurin run down Ft. Wayne Luers Jaylon Smith on that Thanksgiving day pick! Indiana should be proud! 

12 hours ago, TheDoctor22 said:

And they may not have been recruiting Marion county 15 years ago but they certainly are now. Their QB attended Center Grove before Cathedral. And he was a St. Roch kid prior to that, so you're backyard.

Few clarifications on Cathedral’s roster:

Nathan McCahill attended Cathedral and played freshmen ball before transferring to CG for one year. He then came back and attended CHS for junior and senior years. He was a CYO kid from St. Roch. 
 

Re: all of Marion County recruiting - we have kids from over 50 middle schools in the halls of CHS. So, yes, we absolutely need to advertise across the whole town to keep our enrollment numbers up. At $15,500/annual, it is no small task getting parents to commit to that. But, by my count, there were only 3 football starters that didn’t play in the CYO. 
 

Look no farther than the CYO for dominance of the P/Ps in Cathedral, Chatard, and Roncalli. It has little to do with enrollment. 

Agree. The winner is the IHSAA for having fortitude and for setting the bar for all states. They had an end game in mind despite the bullsheet. Proud to be a Hoosier and proud we accomplished a 13 game season with a state championship series. Indiana wins. So damn proud of this state. 

WeBo’s win makes DT’s miserable life of whining about competitive inequality irrelevant for another year. Must be a rough night for old DT (and Muda). The only way to get heard is have the P/Ps win all the classes. 12 more months of forum futility, lads. Couldn’t have happened to a more socialist couple. 

15 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

I was told that Cathedral lost the coin flip and will be the visiting team Saturday night.  I wonder if they'll be wearing the white uniforms with green numbers?

That is the word on the street. All whites. 

Hell yes. Let’s goooooo P/P’s. Run the damn table. The success factor be damned. We’ll take 1.5 times the state titles. 

McCahill will end up with 3000yds passing, 1000yds rushing, and 50 TDS. Have a hard time saying Steele is a lock in this voting. 

Nathan McCahill’s stats are pretty gaudy considering the strength of schedule the Irish played this year. These are his numbers before last night’s Semi-State victory over Castle:

2687 yards passing, 34TDs, 3 INT

842 yards rushing, 10 TDS

12-1 versus State Finalists: Westfield, Chatard, Center Grove, Cincy Lasalle and OH Large School Champ St. X. 

Cathedral 32 Castle 0. End of 3

Almost there. Tropicana for a couple hours of debauchery before the kick! War Irish! 

16 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

How many Irish fans are making the trip down?  I'm sure most the the parents and families are going to the game.

We are still trying to decide if we should make the trip.  A few years back it wouldn't be a problem, but old age is a problem when traveling that distance in a day or even a weekend.  I hate to miss a game but then again.

7 Hours of travel for likely a 90 minute game. I imagine only parents are that committed for this one. That said, I believe a couple busses of parents are making the trek. 

On 11/14/2020 at 6:34 PM, temptation said:

Cool stat and I wonder if its ever been beaten.  Covenant Christian and Ben Davis playing for state championship berths Friday night and their campuses are just over 1 mile apart...

 

For what it’s worth, Lawrence Central won 6A and Cathedral won 5A in 2012. They are about a mile apart. 

@temptation I was interring that this is the identical twin of Whiteland. 5 passing touchdowns on the season. Run heavy offense. One dimensional. Etc. 

Pick the stat line: Whiteland or Castle?

1 hour ago, Lysander said:

 

The worst part of his whole premise is that it’s insincere.

 

Amen

19 minutes ago, wvigo13 said:

Ben Davis 24

Carmel 7

10:03 3rd

Wow

Really small O Line....

Pre-game at Sam’s Silver Circle at 4p. Get that voice grease in your system. War Irish. 

Yawner

34 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Somebody’s going to need to find a better example to illustrate the point. Cocaine is a Schedule 2 substance under the federal Controlled Substances Act. State legalization would not alter the fact that it’s illegal under federal laws. And while weed is also still illegal under federal law, unlike weed, the federal authorities are not going to turn a blind eye to distribution of cocaine, regardless of what some state legislature says.

Surely you don’t think anyone in Portland is concerned about federal governance. They just watched their city burn for 90 days while shunning any federal assistance. And, though cocaine and heroin isn’t legalized in Oregon, it is decriminalized.
 

Translation: no law enforcement officer is going to arrest anyone for possession. The penalty is about the same as a parking ticket. The new America.