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Most with great ideas are not appreciated until long after their time on earth.

Kirschner = Nick Saban West = Jeremy Pruitt ZERO comparison.

Different names, same results. LCC/Ritter will be back, Roncalli is, welcome Lutheran and Covenant Christian.

SES, district mobility, country club sport success, academic rigor.

Washington and Franklin Township are hanging on by a thread if that makes you feel better.

I agree with your second paragraph, but the question now becomes, can they close the gap or was 2020 (four p/p champions out of six) the new normal? I think it’ll take more than a couple years worth of data to figure out if it was an anomaly or the new trend?

Disagree. This guy’s stance is nauseating.

Solid find. Harding was around 65 percent free/reduced at the time of that championship. Not sure where they fell in terms of enrollment at the time. Had 541 students. Nonetheless, good work.

Can you at least admit that it’s easier to get “everyone associated with the program on board” in an affluent community in which most children are raised in two parent households, the community itself lends itself to areas that are available for students to be active and where families are not worried about their next meal/paycheck? If not, you’d better have one hell of an enrollment advantage (BD/WC).

Maybe I’m missing something? Lafayette Jeff has beaten up on teams in the regular season with smaller enrollment numbers (due to their conference affiliation) and similar SES demographics and been executed at the sectional level in 18 consecutive seasons. Next...

I agree but I think they were skeptical of the BD to Avon back to BD ordeal. Fair or not. Like many other things in society, it’s the small percentage of the population that abuse rules that ruin it for the legitimate cases.

I think the Eron Gordon ruling broke the IHSAA.

Not going to focus on out of state programs which I know little about. Lets take Merrillville for example... Bottom half of 6A in enrollment, over a 60 percent free/reduced lunch rate. Went ALL IN in 2020 (transfers/culture) and had a great regular season...Best team in decades. Blown out by Chatard, dominated by Westfield in the semi state. Show me a program back has a free and reduced rate of over 50% and is in the bottom half of enrollment in 6A (or any class for that matter) that has tasted consistent success recently. No problem. I’ve always respected your takes and how you can disagree without resorting to insults. Look no further than out your window... BD used to be a destination for suburban kids from Avon and Brownsburg and even IPS kids...now they are losing talent to the suburbs. It’s completely flipped.

Athletics is just one part. For the sake and purpose of this forum I was focusing on that aspect but the trends cannot be ignored. Charter schools popping up everywhere, private and parochial schools dominating across the board both in the classroom and on the playing field, even in sports that used to be immune from the effects of SES. Maybe I should’ve been more specific... Public schools in Marion county are dying a slow death.

Too lazy. Do it for me. I assume you already know.

Nah, plenty of room for growth. Same with Westfield, Avon, Brownsburg, Zionsville and New Pal. It’s simple demographics man. Suburban sprawl is normal in every major American city. Tech is landlocked and is not near the top of 6A in terms of enrollment or socioeconomics. You can get away with one strike, but not both. Now, if 3-4 players followed him FROM Center Grove TO Tech? Sure.

Not a chance (and I am one of Eric’s biggest fans.)

Why could they only “lay a foundation of success?” If coaching/culture is everything they should be able to contend for state titles by just dropping in and building their “culture” in any corporation, no? What’s preventing them from doing so? You’re getting so close to saying it. You’ll feel better, I promise.

If SES plays very little or zero role in a program’s success then why couldn’t Wright, Moore or Dullaghan (simply because there were mentioned above) turn them into state contenders? Say it, you know you want to.

Once again, I never said “ultimate.” But it is one hell of a factor and one that you are underestimating/brushing aside.

Honest question: Could any of the names you mentioned above turn an IPS or Gary school into a state powerhouse today? Why/why not?

You get it. You still don’t.

EVERYBODY wins at Cathedral. That’s the common denominator. Once again, you are taking this as if I’m taking a shot at the coaching staff. I’m not. Cathedral is a destination job for coaches. The culture is already in place (due in part to the factors I mentioned). It’s nearly impossible not to succeed at Cathedral. Moore has been at CG for over TWO decades. Noblesville is a revolving door, HSE has been underwhelming and Fishers made the state title game in its first decade of existence. Its not all or none dude. Enrollment, culture, coaching all plays a HUGE factor but it’s much easier when you have wealthy communities/families. Stop getting your feelings hurt.

Another cherry picked example on your part. For every Park Tudor, there is a Roncalli, Cathedral and Chatard out there. Here’s what you still don’t get... I am not saying that SES is the end all be all in athletics, but it is a MUCH LARGER component than you are giving it credit for. All of those other things I mentioned (culture, enrollment, coaching, etc) are also factors as it is not black and white. You just seem to get kind of butt hurt when I insinuate that a large component in Cathedral’s success comes from the fact that they are in an elite category in this regard. Its gone from cute to a bit sad honestly.

I own so much space in his head. Such an easy bear to poke. He honestly still thinks Cathedral’s work ethic, culture and coaching staff is the reason for their success.