Bash Riprock

Maybe the mascot and team nickname change drove him away........😜

I have to go with Klein

3 hours ago, BTF said:

Snider's Jessie Bates defends the pass in OT that led to the interception.

Awesome to see good things for the former Indiana high school stars. 

2 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Nice comeback by the Bengals!  They're AFC Champs and going to the Super Bowl!

Pretty dang cool….

9 hours ago, HHF said:

Youre forgetting his best season.  1985

One of the most talented teams in NFL history with a legend D coordinator.  Ditka is great...but not sure he replaces Sayers on the greatest Bears of all time.

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Wow, nice channeling of the great RebelDad of the Roncalli Horde.  He as well thought that if one did not have at least a PhD in a given field along with about 20+ years of experience their views and opinions of that given field were automatically null and void.   He must have been a real buzzkill at parties, probably just like you.

I don't know RebelDad or the Roncalli Horde.  The Roncalli folks I know are all excellent people.  While we may see this issue through different lenses, I understand how you feel and salute the convictions you use to help your family manage risk.

I do have a legitimate question that I am hoping you can help me understand.  If you are so adamant against football until the age of 18 in the name of safety, why are you so vocal and spend so much time on a high school football forum?  I have read your numerous posts pertaining to high school football that have nothing to do with safety and it would seem that you are very interested and motivated by the high school game.  It seems that you spend time on both sides of the fence.

Godspeed and have a wonderful weekend.

Buzz Killington

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

So much for the once-vaunted GID profanity filter.

Anyway, he's a good doctor though. And that is what matters.

Nice to know white trash like yourself enjoys putting your children at risk of concussions that could greatly diminish their quality of like decades after their HS playing days are over.

 

 

 

I am sure he is an excellent doctor.  Is he a neurologist?  And if so, does he have experience with large studies focusing on concussion injuries with youth?  If so, please direct me to his work.  I absolutely will read.

I work with some tremendous chemical engineers routinely.  They are masters at their craft...excellent engineers.  But I would not want them designing a suspension bridge over a large body of water.  I think a good civil/structural engineer is a far better choice, don't you?

Just because one is a MD, doesn't make them an expert of every medical issue.  That is why there are specialists for a given area of medicine.  But if you wish to accept his views, more power to you.  It doesn't mean everyone else with a different view is wrong.

2 hours ago, Staxawax said:

So this eliminates the B1G title game?  Isn't that a money maker?

I can't see that....maybe they will follow the Big 12 model.  I believe they simply pick the top 2 teams from the regular season conference play.

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

And you are open-minded on this issue, Bash?  Really?

 

 

 

I actually review real studies Muda...not just accept the opinion of one individual.  But I do understand it easy to accept one opinion only as gospel, if that opinion just happens to align with one's own thoughts.  But other than a single opinion, present some real facts if you want to get people's attention.

I think most of this forum are every bit as qualified as you to assess risk and make the right decisions for our family.  But again, you do you.  Lead your family as you see fit...others I am sure will do the same.  

I know these sources are too long to read for you, but based upon data, flag football, along with girls soccer, hockey, wrestling and cheerleading should also be banned.....if one follows your line of logic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5305025/#:~:text=There are approximately 2.8 million,and 43 per 1000 exposures.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/health/concussion-high-school-sports-study/index.html

Note, this neurologist feels differently than your doctor friend and his wife

https://nortonhealthcare.com/news/sport-with-most-concussions-high-school/

I realize that no study data is ever going to change your mind.  You are not open on this issue.  So make a risk based decision that is best for your family and respect that other parents can do the same.

15 hours ago, Muda69 said:

 

The rest of your response?  tl;dr

 

 

Maybe you should read what people respond to your posts....with an open mind

so many pro bowl players and now a coordinator promoted to head coach of another team.  Impressive for a non-playoff team.

BTW, Colts finished 16th in overall team defense.  Middle of the pack.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=D&cat=T

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Your sarcasm and arrogance is noted.   Not yet on the level of the famed Roncalli Horde,  but you Center Grove jamokes can keep trying.

 

Nice sterotype.....how is retorting with your own insult behavior that is any different or any more acceptable?

Seriously, what are you arguing?  You start a thread comparing football to rugby indicating the latter is safer.  I provided you clear data from the NIH that indicates that is not accurate.  You have other people that have shown you that much of youth football and above does teach safer tackling techniques.  

It would seem that you don't have a ton of data and you are using one example to make your case, when you really don't know a ton of about that particular case.  You are speculating at best.  

I understand you wish to go down with your ship....but I am not sure you need to.  What is it that you are really arguing?  I think we agree the world in general and sports included are not risk free.  And I believe you are a guy that tends to espouse personal freedom including free will.  What do you want from this discussion other than it would seem is to simply argue?  You've said in the past that football should be banned until the age of 18 in the name of safety.  That is pretty extreme and is polar opposite of personal freedom.  How would have doing so helped with the particular case of the NFL player injury that you use as an example?  Given the injury data for rugby, including concussions, would that sport need to be banned as well?  Where are you going with this discussion?  

You just really come across in this case as data lacking, argumentative, and inconsistent with your past political positions of personal accountability and freedom.  At least that is my take.  

I respect your positions all in all on GID....but I am struggling in this case to understand where you are going.

I think Payton wants out of NO because he doesn't have a QB.  So not sure why he would want to go to Chicago.......maybe because he grew up in Naperville??

27 minutes ago, JustRules said:

The squib kick could have been recovered and immediately downed depending on where it was recovered. I've also seen squib kicks that hit the back of a receiving team member sooner than expected and recovered before the 40. The risk of a pooch kick is it could be fair caught with no time off the clock (or 1 second) in better field position than the 25. If it's hear the sideline it also has the risk of going OOB giving them the ball at the 35 or further depending on where it goes out.

None of the options are risk free so pick the one you feel the most comfortable doing. Just because this one didn't work in this case doesn't mean it was the wrong option or that one of the other options would have worked better. KC had to make two awesome plays to get in position for the tying FG.

I agree with your comment that I highlighted.  Your explanation included a fair number of hypotheticals..."could haves".  One thing we know, kicking the ball to the end zone eliminates "could haves".  No return, ball on the 25 yd line, and no time consumed.

Bottom line, the defense didn't get it done.  Somehow, they allowed an All-Pro TE run free down the middle of the field with the opposing team having 3 TO's at their disposal.  

At the end of the day, as with the Soprano's...its over.  Just hope this weekend's games are as good as last week.  Hope Cincy comes to play and has a better defense to make it a little harder on KC...easier said than done.

14 hours ago, DE said:

Which KC could then get the ball even closer than the 25.  Maybe 2-3 seconds come off at most. 
 

Maybe a high pop up kick???

Most rules seem to simply favor offensive football. 

3 secs with 13 sec left is huge.  This is almost 25% of the time burnt.  This means with 10 secs left, probably only have time for 2 plays for substantial yardage....get the ball to midfield if possible and then Hail Mary.  

I believe there were 3 secs on the clock when the FG was attempted and made.  3 secs that most likely wouldn't have been available.

4 hours ago, JustRules said:

If Hill somehow got that kick and returned for a TD or long enough to set up the FG they would have been skewered for that. Or if the kick had gone OOB the Chiefs would get the ball at the 40. As a coach you have to pick one and realize good or bad could happen either way. The one he picked turned out to not work, but that doesn't the mother options would have worked.

I understand....but one doesn't have to kick it to Hill.  A squib kick to the center of the field would have worked.  But I agree that hindsight is always 2020.  

incredible weekend...3 games with walk-off FG's to win....and 1 in OT.  I agree with Temp....not sure I can remember a round of games like these.

Saw a wild fact tweeted by ESPN....first time in 12 years that a conference title game will not feature Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers.

I also had to agree with Tony Romo's comments near the end of the Bills/Chiefs game.  Why didn't the Bill squib kick and put the ball in play to eat up some of the 13 secs left in regulation?  I felt a little sorry for Josh Allen.....young man played his heart out.

6 hours ago, Irishman said:

I agree….I like the Rams too

I agree and thought hard about with my picks this weekend.  Just hard to pick Stafford over Brady in the playoffs

3 hours ago, foxbat said:

One of my youth coaches back in the day was a bit cruder in the technique.  He always told us to watch the guy's balls because he wasn't going anywhere without them.

At least until the guy is married.....😉

On 1/19/2022 at 1:53 PM, BDGiant93 said:

I'd vote out any team that doesn't want to be in my conference but that is just using your conference as a fall back in case something else doesn't work out...like getting into another conference. 

I’d vote out any team that fails to provide a safe environment for players, students and fans. 

How did you go from NFL football to youth football.  Do you have any youth data to back up the doctor's claims?  How do you know that rugby style tackling isn't already being taught at the youth levels?

BTW, this study published by the NIH says something very different about rugby risks.  

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26786902/

Results: The overall injury rate was 4.9/1000 AEs in football versus 15.2/1000 AEs in rugby: IRR = 3.1 (95% CI, 2.3-4.2). Game injury rates were higher than practice injury rates: IRR = 6.5 (95% CI, 4.5-9.3) in football and IRR = 5.1 (95% CI, 3.0-8.6) in rugby. Injury rates for the shoulder, wrist/hand, and lower leg and for sprains, fractures, and contusions in rugby were >4 times as high as those in football (all P ≤ 0.006). Concussion rates were 1.0/1000 AEs in football versus 2.5/1000 AEs in rugby. Most injuries occurred via direct player contact, especially during games. The rate of season-ending injuries (>3 months of time loss) was 0.8/1000 AEs in football versus 1.0/1000 AEs in rugby: IRR = 1.3 (95% CI, 0.4-3.4).

Conclusion: Overall injury rates were substantially higher in collegiate rugby compared with football. Similarities between sports were observed in the most common injury types (sprains and concussions), locations (lower extremity and head), and mechanisms (direct player contact). Upper extremity injuries were more common in rugby, and the rate of season-ending injuries was similar between sports.

20 hours ago, HHF said:

Does this break the Gunner Kiel record for most college moves in a 4 year period?

A young man transfers from Clemson, and graduates from Northwestern.  He then contacts his old coach asking about a GA position to pursue his MBA.  His old coach asks him if would like to use his last year of eligibility to play at Clemson while he pursues his graduate degree and he accepts.

He should he applauded for being a scholar athlete.

SMH

it interesting that the same people that worry and complain about the lack of competition within 6A, are the same people worried about the demise of the current highly successful programs in 6A. 
 

Irony?  
 

Maybe time for new hobby considerations??

14 hours ago, temptation said:

Still waiting for Texas to wake up.  They have been a huge disappointment and joining the SEC is the next step to irrelevance (on the field) if things don’t change soon.

I agree....the Longhorns have their work cut out for them.....

But they are taking advantage of NIL....that is for sure.  I love its being called "Charitable work".....

https://apnews.com/article/college-football-sports-football-austin-texas-1578609cf8697681db5a97389a715d3c

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Six months after one of the biggest rule changes in the history of college sports, money for athletes is being pledged by the millions in a development that has raised concerns about the role of wealthy alumni eager to back their beloved alma maters.

At Texas, one group is dangling $50,000 a year for individual offensive linemen while another says it already has $10 million promised for Longhorns athletes. At Oregon, billionniare Nike founder Phil Knight is part of group helping Ducks athletes line up deals — just one of many interested parties with deep pockets jumping in alongside the apparel companies, energy drink companies, car dealerships and restaurants already signing athletes to endorsement deals.

More than a dozen “collectives” have sprung up around major college programs like Ohio State, Penn State, Washington, Tennessee and others to connect athletes with marketing opportunities.

At Texas, two new initiatives launched with the promise of big money just two weeks before signing day.

Clark Field Collective, which is officially unaffiliated with the school, claims it already has $10 million pledged to support NIL deals for Longhorns athletes. Days later, a new nonprofit called Horns With Heart said it would pay $50,000 annually to Longhorns offensive linemen for work supporting community charities.

The Clark Field group said its board of directors includes former NBA star T.J. Ford and former NFL player Kenny Vaccaro, two Texas alumni.

“The University of Texas at Austin maintains the largest, wealthiest alumni donor base in the entire country,” Clark Field Collective CEO Nick Shuley said. “It’s time a network like this existed to support our college athletes.”

Horns With Heart is a new kind of player in the athlete compensation field and it drew almost immediate outrage from rival fan bases amid larger questions about NIL’s role as a recruiting enticement.

Horns With Heart was announced as Texas coach Steve Sarkisian was publicly pursuing offensive line recruits; he called the position a critical need after a disappointing 5-7 season. Within days, he scored two big commitments from blue chip players.

Rob Blair, one of the founders of Horns With Heart, said his organization doesn’t cross any lines.

“Pay for play is a deal breaker under NIL,” Blair said. “This isn’t pay for play. This is for actual charitable work.”

The nonprofit aims to start its $50,000 payments to offensive linemen in August 2022 with a max of $800,000 per year for the entire unit. For a five-year player, that could mean $250,000 over their college career.

Blair said the required charity work could be in-person appearances, promotion or representation, but the work has to be done to get paid.

“This organization was started for purely altruistic means,” Blair said.