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There are 5A and 6A private schools. Stop saying dumb things, you're making p/p lovers on here look bad.

I would agree! Both probably deserved it. Tough year of football in 3A. A lot of good players. Tough first round in the sectionals didn't help Peru's players cause at all. I'm sure who they got beat out by were more than deserving of the award as well. Fingers crossed the two can make it on their region all star team.

Wonder if the QB from Peru was put up. Would have liked to see him make it. Great dual threat player. Averaged 28 yards a pass and almost 7 yards a rush. Didn't get a lot of snaps in the 4th quarter because of the lead they had on most teams they played.

I don't know that he gets drafted. Definitely will have teams interested in him. Just not sure they will use a draft pick on him.

Agreed, this will definitely be a problem moving forward. Not to get off topic because I know this was in a separate thread, but any idea on why the IHSAA did this? The only thing I can come up with is to make it easier for public schools to get back down to their enrollment class. I know it sounds bad, but typically public schools don't have too much success that I can remember when they are the ones success factored up. Maybe Webo and Pioneer had a little success that I can remember. Any other schools I'm missing that SF up and had sectional championship and higher success?

Thank you for posting this. When looking at your LCC paragraph I'm not sure what the answer was prior to the four-peat. Just a little bit before my time. Obviously the game of football has changed just a little bit since then, so the style of play could have factored into that possibly. My dad has always told me at the end of the day, no matter how good of a coach you are, if you don't have some dudes on your team, making a deep run in the tournament is difficult. The stars and sectionals can all aline, because we are in Indiana, for you to get a good draw and make a deep run with an average team and really good coaching. But eventually you are gonna run into a team with better dudes than you have. My only argument and frustration comes from the rate at which some of these p/p's, not all of them which you did a great job of pointing out and going into detail about, are reloading year after year. Can public schools do it to an extent? Yes but it doesn't seem to always happen as quickly as the p/p's. When an off year for a team is a sectional and regional championship, I'd say that ain't too bad. I agree. We shouldn't just throw all the p/p's in their own division because I stated this in another thread early in the season when in the right class they make the class as a whole and the football in it better. Example, take a look at Rochester over the past four years. Started 0-10 four years ago. Every year the mindset is we have to beat LCC, everything that is done is to beat them. Haven't been able to do it, but we have reaped the rewards in the regular season by winning a lot more games because of what the mindset is leading up to the season and the work put in. Chatard in 3A a little different. Unlike LCC, Chatard hasn't been able to stay up in 4A, so they come back down right when things seem to be looking up and rattle off two more state championships and then its back to 4A. So how do we fix this? I think we have to realign sectionals and classes every year. Put the SF on a 4 year cycle like many have said, but the one adjustment is if a team wins a state championship move them up into the next class the following year. Where it gets hairy is how to determine keeping the team up or down and for how long in that remaining 3 or less years. This is something I wouldn't be good at determining but maybe someone could help me out with this part. I think this would help with those 2 peat public teams that have a good class that wins two state championships and then dips for the classes under them to get beat up on for two straight years. It also gives a Chatard more time to see if they can break through that 4A wall they can't seem to get through. It also gets a team out of a class faster after winning a state championship. Again not perfect, put it's a suggestion to this problem we think we have that can move the stronger p/p's around easier while not punishing those that aren't the strongest football programs.

You would be correct on that as well

And yet, some will still do it for that Catholic education

I just want someone to tell me how p/p's, if there is no unfair advantage, continue to dominate the classes 1A-3A. That's all I want. And don't tell me they don't because since the SF there have been 33 state title games in those three classes. p/p's have won 18. They make up 10% or somewhere around that of the teams in those three classes. If there isn't an advantage, how do those numbers make sense. I don't want to hear they have a great weight lifting program. Public schools have that. Don't tell me its coaching. Public schools have that. Don't tell me its the youth program. Public schools have that. Don't tell me its a combination of the three. Some public schools have that. So what is it? I wanna hear a private guy explain it to me. You public guys don't win enough state championships, I want someone that knows football to speak on the matter. Also don't tell me it's the same public schools winning because it isn't. Of the remaining 15 state championships, 12 different public schools won those.

Wow that's an impressive class. Also a lot of big shoes to fill i'm sure

Unlikely, too far NE. I'm not sure if there will be a Northern sectional of death this next year in 3A. I'm sure Geurin will be tough, not sure what Heights returns, but Peru graduated a lot of senior talent. Mac graduated one of their best QB's in school history stat wise. I'm not sure what Oak Hill returns.

No it was all complete sarcasm. Just repeating what I always hear about why Chatard is so good. 50 years of foundation laid for them to be where they are...or they are just pulling from 4 different feeder schools in Indianapolis. Take your pick.

I think you've got to add Bluffton to the mix in the ACAC

As far as football goes, Chatard beat them this year. I think they would take home all the titles. They are just too good. Their youth program is the best in the state. Weight rooms great. They have some of the best school lunches in the state or something like that...unstoppable football program.

Outside of Adams Central, how successful have some of those teams been as of recent? Outside of Jack Kiser's years, how successful has Pioneer been in tournament play? A state runner-up, a sectional or two, and a regional? How does North Judson's success stack up against a Luers, Chatard, Lutheran, or LCC? Three straight trips to semi-state all losing by 35+. Same for Sheridan. Webo and Eastbrook can't make it out of sectionals anymore. I'm not disagreeing with you. All those teams are great programs with great football tradition. But they go four or five years before they go on a run again. The p/p's maybe have one down year before they are reloaded for four or five years, one down year and reloaded again. This is the difference in p/p's and publics. p/p's can get that guy or two that just takes them to a different level in the lower classes. Doesn't always happen but there is always the chance.

Triton Central, Linton Stockton, Brownstown Central...all good teams that played good football this year. North Posey only lost 10-0 to a Heritage Hills team that were the 3A runners up. Was 3A football in the south just not very good? What I don't understand is you saying 2A football wasn't good this year. The top 10 2A teams as a whole were better than the top 10 teams in 1A. If the list grows to 15 its still better than 1A. 20 still better. Same could be said when stacking up the 2A teams against 3A. and 3A against 4A. and 4A against 5A. So again no I don't understand how you can say 2A was the worst class in football this year. I don't know how you can say any of the classes had over 50% of their teams playing bad football. Were classes down in talent level from previous years? Yes, you can make the argument. Doesn't make it bad football.

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I'm just confused. So because Lutheran and Adams Central could beat North Posey, that makes 2A the worst class in Indiana High School Football. LCC and Luers don't have some of their best teams, that makes 2A football terrible? Exactly how much 2A football outside of the Semistate and State Championship have you watched?

I think you are very wrong. Like stated about the NE for 2A was very solid. LCC was only down a touchdown going into halftime against the state champions. That LCC team played a very good Rochester team that went toe to toe with them. Laville played an excellent game against LCC as well. Just eventually got worn out in the second half. That Laville team beat Andrean who has gone to state the last two years. They also beat the semistate runner up in 1A NJ Bluejays. Alexandria played Bluffton very tough first round of sectionals and everyone is saying Bluffton was the second best team in 2A. Just because you had two very solid programs in 1A that could punch above their weight class so to speak, doesn't mean the whole 1A was better than 2A. I think you could say that about a couple of teams in every class. Outside of Chatard's sectional in 3A, how many other sectionals could a couple of teams in 2A have won. My guess is they could have made some noise in a few. Same could be said about some teams in 3A if they played in 4A and so on. I think Snider could have been competitive in the North for 6A this year. Reflecting on the tournament as a whole, i don't think there was a class that was down compared to the others. I think overall this was a very balanced tournament across the board. Obviously there were some classes that you knew the winner before it started but each class had a solid top 10 teams for their class which is what you want. To say any class was the worst in Indiana is hard to do in my opinion. I saw a lot of good football in 2A, a lot more good than bad. I think the North in 2A just had a gap that was a lot greater than what the South had this year and it made people think 2A had one good team and that was all based on the state championship.

I don't know that is tough. I would have to look at their last couple years. Is them staying in 2A going to change anything?

I received a public education, not one of them fancy Catholic or Lutheran educations, so help me on this...what does any of this have to do with winning football games?

Correction it was 5

I said the last 3 years, never said anything about those other years, but while we are on that let's take a look at how many of those publics beat a private school at LOS. I count a total of 3 or 4 on first glance for all three classes throughout the entire SF era so yes it is hard for p/p's to win more than publics in 2A when there aren't any of the normal private schools in 2A or perhaps none at all some years.

I guarantee there isn't a team in the first three classes that would give two $h*ts about your division captain insano

But they aren't, they are winning the state championship in 1A, 2A, and 3A for the last 3 years...