LaSalle Lions 1976

5 minutes ago, DT said:

https://www.cbssports.com/general/news/georgia-youth-football-coach-banned-for-life-after-assaulting-player-lebron-james-speaks-out-on-incident/

This is a cautionary tale about youth football.  I'm not talking about the teaching of techniques.  I'm talking about the "Lombardi's" of the coaching world and their mental capacity to hold their emotions back.

I don't know how rare an occurrence this is.  Not everything is taped or goes viral.

The sad thing is not one parent came to the kids defense after the first hit.

24 minutes ago, HHPatriots said:

5th grade is when we start.  I know there are some that start much sooner.  I don't think it is necessary.  

I think it may steer more kids away from football than to football if you start in say, 1st grade.  

We play flag through 4th grade and the objective is simply to make it fun so that they will want to play in 5th grade (tackle).

I like this

Have a question for flag football programs.  How many can be on the field...it is 7on7 or some other number

1 minute ago, Foga said:

Are we talking 7 on 7 flag or full 11 on 11 flag?  I like the idea of 7 on 7 flag until they reach 5th grade.  Since no one knows what a player will look like when they grow up, everyone has to learn to take a handoff, catch a pass, and throw the ball.  

I was thinking the very first experience should be 5 on 5, less variables to teach kids, maybe the next year, go 7 on 7.

All kids will be required to play at least 3 plays ate snapper, quarterback, skilled player.

The Texas School for the Deaf has qualified for a state championship.  Good Luck to them

A couple of comments:

1. They were able to transfer this season from 11 to a 6 man team due to COVID.  Not possible in Indiana

2. Would any school ever think of using a bass drum on the sideline to call signals instead of verbally.  Could cause problems early for defenses.

18 hours ago, DT said:

Perhaps Clay may drop sports as has been reported previously.   That would take the conference down to 9 schools.  Thu could still play a full round robin and have one non con

Clay won't drop sports, but consolidation may be in the offing.  We shall see

2 minutes ago, Punttheball said:

If he gets a better deal/job, it is a no brainer.  I would think you are on an island on this matter.  If you are a teacher, you should understand.  If you are not, it would be interesting to know your profession.

I am a retired Special Ed teacher and coach.  I never said he shouldn't go.  Just finish out what you signed up for.  I saw where he was assistant AD, that shouldn't effect the kids much.  A classroom teacher is another matter.

So if Elkhart and Penn leave, where does that put the NIC?  

Adams, Clay, Riley, Washington, St. Joe, Marian, Jimtown, Bremen, Glenn, and New Prairie.

The former Northern Star Conference teams Might want to go their separate ways, but not together.

Marian and St. Joe would want to stay together. The South Bend schools......?

Just now, Punttheball said:

Are you serious?  So a teacher is suppose to be loyal to the cause right?  In the business world people come and go all the time.  

No. A person should live up to their obligations.  That's good business.

5 hours ago, MICFan34 said:

 

So he ups and leaves while school is still going on?  I find that unconscionable.  Not living up to your teaching contract.  I don't get it.

There is a 1A school in South Bend that will be a full IHSAA member next year. My wife was in the original first class and I taught there one year.

almost 100% of students gets scholarships (yes more than 1) to attend college.  Notre Dame gets it share, but they are from around the country.  A friend of mine just found out that her son has a full 4 year ride to Boston College, and his brother got a 4 year ride to Lewis and Clark in Portland.

Just think if you can make a basket or kick a soccer ball added to that, you can't tell me that would be a feeding ground for athletes in the area.

They are considering adding rugby to the mix.

Who know what might happen.

Oh by the way, they are a Christian school that is about 75% Catholic.

7 hours ago, PDB26 said:

How does the IB magnet program at Adams affect enrollment currently, and even if Riley's district is expanded? Does it at all? 

I don't think the IB effects much because the enrollment is capped.  Adams is the go to high school with almost 2000 students.

It should be easy to take  students to Riley.

OK...let me give this a whirl

To qualify for the playoffs, a team must have 4 wins.  The week that would have been the first round of the playoffs is now used for playoff organization.  and a two round sectional, one round regional, semi-state, and finals.

This will make a lot of games significant at the end of the season.

19 hours ago, gonzoron said:

How many of these teams just need to contract and re-form into a larger school pooling the talent?

South Bend had a feasibility study done about their used of buildings.  It was suggested that 5 to 8 buildings be eliminated.  No one knows what buildings they suggested.

The problem is when a building is eliminated, charters can buy them for a dollar.  That would be a signifiant loss of revenue.  

My high school suggestion would be to combine Clay and Washington and locate them at Lasalle (former high school).  Expand the Riley district into Adams.  That would give South Bend 3 high schools with about 1600 students.

1 hour ago, Grandpa B said:

Well I knew it would not take long for you to post your "Kick out the Catholics" take.    As stated in all my previous posts, you might have 5% of the Administrators and few if any walking the halls of the IHSAA headquarters that support this.  But you keep trying!  

What about the Lutheran and Christian schools?  They would be in the same boat.   Pretty narrow thinking

I though football was the ultimate team game.  Individual accolades (with the exception of scholarships) are nothing compared to team awards.

Plus, this thread is not going to be on topic in less than a page.

19 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Hard question to answer, as different places have different attributes. In terms of how they take care of the officials, probably Valpo or Crown Point. For “atmosphere,” I’ll take The Inferno during the Kennedy years, in a dead heat with the Boneyard in Russ’ heyday. As a big game venue, hard to beat a packed Demaree. Nicest playing field is probably Ames in Michigan City.

I was teaching there when the new Ames was being built.  It started out as a grass field installed by the Sodfather.  The roots were over a foot long.  It was beautiful

24 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Yes.  First I read that p/p schools will pretty much accept any individual with a pulse and $ because, you know, those Benjamins pay the bills and keep the lights on.  Then I read something quite different.  Which one is it??  

Can an avowed Muslim attend a Catholic or Christian school because he believes it offers a superior education compared to the public schools?

 

At the private/Christian school I taught at (Trinity at Greenlawn) we had a couple of Jewish families attend over the Yeshiva in town.  They had to take Protestant Doctrine for their 9th grade Religion requirement.

We don't have CYO for our Catholic schools here in South Bend/Mishawaka.

We have the Inner-City Catholic League (ICCL)

In order to play you have to attend the school, not be a member of the parish.

It looks like almost every grade school has it's own football team.

Here we have only 4 teams.  All schools are combined with at least one other school.

There has been only one long term coach in the program.  Most coaches leave when their child graduates.

There wasn't a season this year, so the incoming freshman next will won't have played for two years.

Not a recipe for success.

I find it hard to believe that posters can't stay on topic for more than a page.  This was about Elkhart football.  I guess no one wishes to talk about St. Joe Valley (South Bend-Mishawaka-Oscola-Elkhart) football.

1 hour ago, Irishman said:

Can you point to those rules you are referring to? As long as I have been here; 13 years now, the IHSAA enrollment has matched our DOE/ADM enrollment total. 

If you look in the Unified Sports section, it has the rules for eligibility.  A non diploma students has to make progress on their IEP goals to be eligible.  A student on diploma track must follow eligibility rule like the regular ed students.

I think that is what you were asking for.

2 hours ago, Irishman said:

I don't think that is his point.....As an example, we have about 10% of our population that are physically and/or mentally incapable of participating in football. So the REAL difference is not necessarily who is in the building for non public schools, it's more about who is not. With that population being minimal or non existent in those schools, they are classified among schools with the same total number of students, but a smaller pool of them to draw from for a sport like football. 

I think this could be great equalizer.  In the South Bend schools, about 15 to 18% of the student population has an IEP.  There are different levels of written IEP's from a consult to 100% self contained classroom.  There were/are some top athletes that have an IEP.

That being said, the ISHAA has rules in place for students who aren't on diploma track. 

So I don't know how you would how you would adjust the numbers to get the right number of ineligible students.

11 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

If their parents have the $10,000+ dollars, or they qualify for vouchers.   Just as "an avowed Non-Christian with $ (or vouchers) and a very strong vocal cords, drummer, or say avowed chess player.   Really just any "avowed non-Christian with $ or vouchers.  

Interesting.  Would they take said student if they refused to attend Mass during school?  Or not take the religious classes required.  But they are a world class violinist or debater

4 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Same is true for Diocese of Lafayette-in-Indiana.  Guerin and LCC are pretty much too far apart that anyone would want to make that trip daily. I have a hard enough time making the slog over to Harrison instead of Jeff and it's just about a six-minute difference. 🙂

Maybe if you lived in Lafayette and worked in the Carmel area that might work out. 

It's South Bend St. Joe and Mishawaka Marian.  They are close enough that one could attend either one.  Just depends on where the parents went to school.  Usually families don't go to the other school.

16 hours ago, DL6 said:

It’s always been interesting to me that private and parochial schools are grouped together as “PP” on this site when their enrollment process is tremendously different.

Not sure what the difference is? Let’s start by looking at Indianapolis...

There are four parochial (archdiocesan) schools in Indianapolis divided by north, south, east, and west deaneries with feeder grade schools. Those schools are Chatard (north), Roncalli (south), Scecina (east), and Ritter (west).

The majority of students at these schools (and football players) attend their “feeder” deanery schools. As a southsider, I can only speak for Roncalli but 21 of their 22 starters are from south side Catholic grade schools. The one exception is a linebacker from Perry Meridian who followed Scott Marsh when he came to Roncalli from Perry.

This is completely different than a private school, such as Lutheran, Cathedral, Park Tudor, or any other non-parochial private school in Indianapolis. These schools “attract” students from across Indianapolis and operate under different financial aid rules than parochial schools. For instance, Roncalli accepts vouchers OR financial aid qualifications, but not both. This means if a student qualifies for the voucher program and Roncalli’s financial aid program, they have to choose one or the other. This is not the case at private, non-parochial schools in Indianapolis, which is why kids are able to attend those schools for free.

Not sure if this helps anyone understand the difference, but thought I would share as someone who has worked in private education who is confused by the “private/parochial” grouping, as those two distinctions operate completely differently.

Parochial schools like Roncalli do not hold a “recruiting” advantage. Roncalli just won 4A state by 42 points but will have zero seniors playing division 1 football next year, while Hobart has two or three.

This is not to say that parochial schools do not have an advantage socio-economically. But there are plenty of public schools that share that advantage as well (CG, Carmel, Zionsville, Fishers, etc.).

Great explanation.  I do have a question.  

From what I see here, no student can leave their deanery to go to high school.  That seems pretty restrictive.  In South Bend/Mishawaka it is open enrollment between St. Joe and Marian.  I believe there is not tuition difference with any students attending those schools.

So the advantage to Indianapolis Catholic schools is much less that first thought.

On a side note, you should be able to attend any school you want in the diocese.  

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

So let me get this straight. Your the head football coach at a school with 1500 kids and no recruiting boundaries whatsoever. Your competition, schools of similar size, are limited to the kids within the boundaries of the school district. You win four state championships in a row and you're ok with that? Or do you challenge your kids and voluntarily bump up a class? 

You are describing the South Bend schools.  I don't see them anywhere near a sectional let alone a State title.  I don't hear any of us complaining.

I want to get on this P?P advantage for small schools.  I'm going to talk to the rabbi at the Yeshiva and look to form a team.  Championship is in the bag.  Shalom