LaSalle Lions 1976

3 hours ago, TheStatGuy said:

Didnt the Wieczorek kid (i know he didn't play football) come from Clay or Riley? Pretty good basketball and baseball guy. 

I am sure there are a few kids with good coaching may be better then what they are at Adams/Riley/Clay+ they aren't playing as good of teams either. 

He was a Riley baseball players when I coached there...he was a tremendous hitter

Again...let's look at what the player would do.

I believe they don't care who lines up in front of them...they just want to play.

Adults are the problem...they are the ones who whine and moan.  Is that what we want to teach our kids?

Let's get over it or get out of the kids way.

1 hour ago, TheStatGuy said:

I sometimes look at 1a or 2a schools near cities or bigger schools.. Possible advantages. 

LaVille

15 miles from South Bend Adams, 21 miles from SB Clay and 15 miles from South Bend Riley. 10 miles from Plymouth High School, 11 miles from John Glenn. 

 

Look at Eastbrook is near Marion.. As is Oak Hill (oak hill 3a right now)

Lewis Cass is 15 miles from Peru, 11 miles from Northwestern, 18 miles from Kokomo high school and 10 miles from Logansport high school. 

Those are 3 schools I wouldn't mind coaching at if I were a coach.. Could be easy to get some transfers or kids go to a big school k-8 and enroll at a small one for HS. 

 

 

Why would they take kids from South Bend for football.  Wouldn't be a help to their program.  Who is going to get them to LaVille?

I don't know...they traditionally get players from those areas.  Maybe Elkhart lost some players to Marian with the consolidation.

28 minutes ago, DT said:

Or Marian has simply outrecruited St Joe and cornered the market on the best PP/CYO/Public talent in the area.  Lets give Marian some credit where credit is due.  They took this away from St Joe.  Pure and simple.  Marian beat Penn and did not get the chance to beat Elkhart.  MM might be the best team in the conference.  Probably are.  

St Joe and Marian don't have boundaries so it is open enrollment.  The better players are going to Marian.  Marian gets  some players from the Elkhart and Lower Michigan areas.

32 minutes ago, johnny U said:

I've heard the same thing said by Saint Joseph fans.  There used to be many 1st and 2nd generation  Polish kids who loved to compete for Saint Joseph and were tough hard-nosed kids.  Now there are to many players @ Saint Joseph who have direct connections to Notre Dame and they and their parents think they're good football player  because they are connected to ND but are really soft.

Yes the days of the tough Polish and Hungarian kids are gone.  With no ICCL football this year, the cupboard will be even barer.  With open enrollment in Catholic schools, Marian seems to be the choice in football lately.

South Bend teams are more focused on the "City" Championship than Conference titles.  I don't think a South Bend school has beaten Penn since 1985.  Can't remember when they beat Mishawaka either.

I think it's time to get some information:

Are your CYO's for sports school based or parish based?

Here in South Bend/Mishawaka/Elkhart we have the ICCL which is school based.

I wonder what the players would think of this argument.  Most just want to play.  The adults muck it up with equity and fairness.

I could be that Small Town High would play whoever was their opponent.  I bet St. Maximilian Kobe High would feel the same.

Just let the kids play.  Give no one a trophy.  It's for the adults anyway

On the IHSAA website, Football is listed as a boys sport.  The only two sports that are coed are Unified Flag Football and Unified Track.

As far as 8 man goes, I don't know how it would work economically for many smaller schools. Equipment and Personal could be quite costly.

How many schools that play soccer would want to add football to their plates.

One of the perks of the Indiana tournament is the chance to play your final game inside at Lucas Oil.  

An outside venue would seriously reduce attendance.

I am coming to this from a different angle.  I am pro P/P not needing a multiplier.

This group of schools weren't even recognized by the IHSAA until 1942.  Then, it was still hard to compete.

My father played for South Bend Catholic in the early 40s.  He told me stories of how opposition fans throwing fish on the field.  The only public they played on a regular basis was Gary Roosevelt.

I don't know how it was for the other P/Ps, but I know the IHSAA owes these schools everything they deserve, because of how they were treated back in the old days.

Maybe some of you also have stories to share about this. I, for one, thinks these stories need to come to light here.

So here's to the P/Ps.  You have earned your right to be an equal member.

3 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

And it's not just a government school system decision but a decision by the community as well.  Dollar to donuts that most if not all of these perennially successful school programs have a top notch youth program in their community as well.

 

 

I agree.  For the most part, the community decides if a program is successful.  They invest their money, resources (players), and effort into making a successful program.

Some areas don't have that commitment.  Some programs have trouble getting coaches for their youth programs.  Some coaches don't follow the head coaches directives.  

For some programs it's just an opportunity to give guidance and supports to kids who don't have that.  The most important thing is to keep those kids engaged (for many winning isn't the incentive).  These programs serve the greater good of a community.  

Moving schools up and down classes might be the way to go, but having kids get a positive experience and have something to tell their grandkids is more important.

Others say that there are other opportunities out there.  Most I have found in my area are very disorganized and loosely run that may cause more harm than good.

So here's to high school football.  Although some programs are the most polished, they can still shine

Well if we are all about out of bounds thinking and really leveling the field for all high school teams.

P/P schools 2.0

Single High School Districts 1.5

Let's get wacky

1 hour ago, SBFootball1 said:

Is Mishawaka able to play?

https://www.953mnc.com/2020/11/07/mishawaka-cavemen-football-team-placed-into-quarantine/

The story wasn't specific as to a timeline or anything.

I believe what happened was a SB Adams player tested positive Saturday morning.

Mishawaka is in self imposed quarantine.  

Is Mishawaka virtual or in person classes at this time?

9 hours ago, johnny U said:

1985 was probably Adams best chance.  They were ranked #3 in the state that year but lost to #1 Hobart.

That was the year they had Anthony Johnson.  There were the last NIC team to beat Penn before their winning streak in the conference.

20 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I think maybe you're misunderstanding what they're saying? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your post.

Either way, Adams does not have a sectional championship (and thus they are going for their first sectional title ever) but they have played in sectional championship games: Hobart in 1985 and 1991, Carroll (FW) in 2012, and Mishawaka in 2015.

You are correct...they are going for their first sectional title with a win

It's all good. I was kind of surprised with that.  Washington has two and Clay and Riley have one each

Checking the IHSAA web site...South Bend Adams is going for the first sectional title EVER.  The school was open in 1940.

I found that hard to believe.

If this continues...someone could advance to the finals without playing a game.

Like I said...this was based on districts I knew had multiple high schools.  I may have missed a couple.

Still the numbers are very small.

5 minutes ago, fenderbender said:

Just saying I came up with 14 titles in multiple school school districts.  

14 titles out of a possible 220 is still very small...a little more that 6%

21 minutes ago, fenderbender said:

Are you sure these numbers are right?  I came up with 4 in about 30 seconds just from the Evansville area (Castle - Warrick County Schools, Reitz - EVSC)

 

 

I looked at the school districts...not the schools.  There are 5 schools in Evansville and Fort Wayne, 4 in Indianapolis and South Bend, and 2 in Bloomington, Terre Haute, Columbus, and Hammond

While looking at the past Indiana High School Football Champions since 1973, I notice a huge lack of schools from multi-high school districts.

Based on my math (using and old calculator)  out of 220 possible state champions, multi-high school districts won a total of 10 times (5%).

They were runner up 12 times of 220 (5.5%).

There are many factors that contribute to this, but I am curious to understand why some of the 6A schools don't split into smaller high schools.  I would think it wouldn't be for athletic reasons.

Discuss

12 hours ago, PhilLee said:

Yes because playing football has resulted in SO many kids catching the sniffles.

Has there been a documented case ANYWHERE in the state of Indiana this fall, of any player catching zee virus by playing football?  Anyone?  Didn't think so. 

I agree...the right and the left have us scared.

You and Dr. Ron Paul on the same page.

This tournament will finish...you either win my score or attrition...how it should be.

3 minutes ago, Gipper said:

There is risk in everything, don’t be naïve.

Gary West has their work cut out for them.  Sectional 17 is stacked.

Whose to say the sectional gets the virus.  The title is theirs.