OldschoolFB

I was at the Dwenger Carroll scrimmage. 
1.  Jimmy S looked very good.  Quick decisions. Good reads.  More zip this year.  Deep ball looked good. 
2.  BD looked better on the O Line than last year. They will however struggle.  #5 for Bd was very good.  Linebacker for BD was good too.  Christian something. Id use him on offense too. 
3.  BD has a stable of average running backs with the same name and should not be at running back. 
4.  Steely is a beast.  And it appears he has a younger brother.  
5. BD new QB looked good but threw a couple picks(or 1 and 1 should’ve been)

6.  Overall, BD looked better than I thought.  They have, as usual, a group of kids that are passionate about winning as a team. However,   Carroll will beat them by 35 minimum in regular season and BD might lose 6-7 games with their schedule.   Wrong year to schedule Brownsburg and Moeller 
 

Anyone else have a scrimmage report?

Get rid of the success factor.  Or have schools play down as opposed to up. 

On 6/24/2023 at 1:32 PM, BTF said:

Homestead is on a current two year slide. Before that they were back to back SAC champs and a big injury away from a deeper post season run. I'm not ready to right them off just yet. Snider had a three year run of mediocrity before being last years favorite to win the 5A title. Spartans will be back. Same coach, same community. 

Homestead won’t be good this year unless they find a QB

On 7/15/2023 at 2:17 PM, Grover said:

Devil’s advocate. The premise is 2nd through 12th grade. Doesn’t Cathedral’s program start in 9th grade?

I guess they don’t have a feeder program.  So if that’s the case, it would have to be Carmel.  And then Chatard and  New Pal and 
center Grove if you don’t go back too deep. 
ir you could add Luers but 2A and recruiting an absurd amount is hard for me to agree with.  

On 7/15/2023 at 8:04 PM, Trojanmp52 said:

I do like the idea of looking back 30 years.   But I disagree with having to have more than one coach.  My reason for that is you can have some coach at one place for more then 30 years.

also before coach Moore got to CG their was a guy named Kevin King as the coach.  he was starting to turn the program in upward direction.  He never won a sectional but that was during the time where Bloomington south a Martsville where still top tier programs

Agree.  If 1 coach makes you dominant then you’re dominant.  That coach will likely bring a culture that’s going to stay long term anyway 

On 7/16/2023 at 9:54 PM, Mebuck said:

I was surprised when I heard that they may be moved back to 4A. But heard that last year too. Will see how it turns out.

I know the first two games will not be fun to watch. 

I think you may be right.  I wish that wasn’t the case.  Personally, I would have scheduled 1 area (East Noble or that conference)team or maybe a Mishawaka:South Bend team.  And the. Maybe a Region or Indy(New Pal type) of team as the extra two. 

Why BD scheduled two games that will show them nothing other than how manage a roster after injuries is beyond me. 

On 6/21/2023 at 9:16 PM, psaboy said:

No problem, just wondering, Would be nice if he plays. I'm not in area any more and not really connected so I get what I get off social pretty much.

I'm wondering about the QB spot, maybe BTF can provide some insight?

QB is a big issue for Snider this season.  If they can find one, even serviceable that can make good decisions and make simple throws, they can contend. 

On 6/23/2023 at 10:39 AM, BTF said:

2023 looks to be stacked at the top with at least four teams. It’s looking like the usual suspects once again.

 

1.           Valparaiso – With 19 starters returning from last years state title team, this is a pretty easy pick at the #1 position. They would easily qualify as a Top 10 team in 6A this year. They’ll get their opportunity in 2024 after graduating most of the guys who made the prior two years successful. This is a major glitch in how the success factor works.

2.           Snider – The panthers return half their team and will have a chip on their shoulder after missing a golden opportunity last year to win their third state title. Look for Snider to be as good as they were last year and make another run at the title.

3.           Merrillville – The Pirates are another team that felt they had a good shot in 2022. They just happened to be the victim of a team hitting on all cylinders at the right time. We might as well get used to the fact that Merrillville will be in the conversation every year, they just seem to reload.

4.           North Side – The Legend’s coach feels that his team is stronger and faster than a year before. If that’s the case, they’ll be a dangerous team to face for any team at any level.  It doesn’t hurt to have, arguably, the best player in the state of Indiana and half their starters back from a team last year that was one play away from taking out Snider in the sectionals and a touchdown behind a very good Carroll team.

5.           Decatur Central – It’s been said by the Indy fan base that this growing community will produce solid football teams for years to come. It appears they lose too much from a year ago for me to have them any higher than the 5 spot.

 

I have a hard time creating a complete list not knowing much about what the south has to offer this year. I just know that the north is stacked at the top. Would love to see some opinions from all parts of the state.

 

Honorable Mention:

Dwenger – It’s hard to leave a program like this out the conversation. They have a coach going into his fifth season. His first two years were very successful with an enormous amount of talent at his disposal. The past two seasons have been average at best. I’m betting on an uptick this season. Dwenger is a machine that rebuilds from within. Off years are an anomaly for the Saints. Up next: Brownsburg…….good luck, God strength, and God speed.

 

Don’t bet on Dwenger in 5A.  If they move to 4A, which is being discussed, then they’ll have a chance  at a nice playoff run.  The current staff at BD is good, but they don’t seem to have the out them away instinct a staff needs to be ok with having to dominate. 

On 7/13/2023 at 9:05 PM, BTF said:

These ten programs have sustained a high level of success spanning three decades. They are the only ones who have at least five sectional titles in each of the past three decades:

Ben Davis, Carmel, Eastbrook, Mater Dei, Dwenger, Luers, Snider, Cathedral, Chatard, and Penn. 

That’s a great list.  It’s also hard to judge a great program accurately because you have schools move up for success factor recently that could prevent many more schools from winning in their own class level.  Conversely, all 6A schools aren’t subjected to a “success factor” so they can continue to win in their own class level.  
Overall, If you factor in long term success, winning against teams in higher classes(or dominating the 6A level) rarely having an “off” year and produce college athletes, I would say it’s between Cathedral and Carmel with Cathedral edging them out. 
Before anyone gets on my case about 6A not having an option for moving up so it’s irrelevant, it “fairness” was actually the goal(which it’s not at all the case)Carmel, Ben Davis, Warren Central(and probably 10 others) could easily field 2 teams. I mean wouldn’t this provide more opportunity for more kids?  If it was fairness, that would be an option.  Since it’s not, it has to be about rewarding those who don’t want to earn it.  Now I’m off my soap box.  
back to main topic.  It’s Cathedral who has the top program. 

On 10/10/2022 at 8:27 AM, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

New Pal would run over Northwood like there not even there , game would get ugly . 

I tend to agree. New Pal, most years will be too much for teams that don’t face consistent size all season. 

On 10/8/2022 at 6:47 PM, Tippy said:

What if this happens?  2022 State Champions

6a Brownsburg or Center Grove

5a Whiteland or Bloomington South

4a New Palestine

3a Chatard or West Lafayette

2a Evansville Mater Dei

1a Indy Lutheran

Fort Wayne could be shut out again, just like last year.  I think only 3 teams north of Logansport have won state in the last 4 years, Andrean in 2021 and in 2018 Pioneer and FW Dwenger

Fort Wayne has very good teams.  The traditional powers have been bumped up and recently Snider and Luers back in their class level.  Dwenger was 4 points from going back to Lucas Oil in 5A and the following year probably should have beaten Zionsville to face Valois again. Carroll and HHS need a little more size to compete consistently in 6A.  Indy schools are all enormous and consist of 80-85% of 6A so of course they will win 6A virtually every year.  

19 hours ago, scarab527 said:

Once I corrected your error I was able to 😉.

It is indeed a forum. Just giving you some friendly advice that if you're going to attack someone's intelligence on said forum, make sure you're not committing basic grammatical errors when you do so lmao.  

Hallway monitor

On 10/24/2020 at 4:37 PM, Yuccaguy said:

In the Fort Wayne area:  *Carroll; Wayne, North Side and South Side.  

*new turf field next season 

Wayne and South Side are 4A

On 9/28/2020 at 12:56 PM, Purdue Pete said:

Taking a poll.  Vote Yea or Nay

My overall stance is that it is not a good idea.  Although there are exceptions to every rule, it is almost impossible for a parent to be unbiased in their treatment or assessment of their own child.  Either too critical or alternatively view the performance through rose colored glasses.  Even if somehow you're able to remain objective, the optics are bad and leave yourself and team open to criticism.

Youth - Yea - in most cases dads are needed at this level as you don't get a ton of people volunteering to coach 3-6th graders.

MS - Nay- not a good idea if you have alternatives

HS - Nay - not a good idea if you have alternatives

There are a bunch of variables:

1. Qualification of the coach - better be rock solid.

2. Player's talent - As the player's talent level goes down, the number of questions goes up.

3. team performance - If you go 10-0 there will be questions but they won't be very loud.  If you go 1-9 look out.

If The Head Coach is not a dad to a player and has a strong personality and control of his program and communicates dad bias won’t be allowed, it’s usually fine.  Unless, you have 5 or so on your staff.  Although, at Dwenger, it seems to be a requirement to coach there.  So far it had been fine.  It will be interesting to see when some of the younger coaches kids make it to HS.  Could be an ugly few years. Hopefully not.  

21 hours ago, psaboy said:

When Concordia is heathy and have their #1 QB playing, with the D they have are decent, should make regional, be tough to get past Probably be hard for them the advance past regional game with Chatard or West Lafayette as likely opponent. 

Concordia was Dwengers best all around team they played.  The Concordia defense is legit.  
If not for 2 very costly turnovers on their first 2 drives, that game could be 14-10 Concordia at half.  
 

To beat Carroll, make Becker go left and take away the deep ball. 
 

If Dwenger played Homestead again, they would win by 21 minimum. 

On 9/28/2020 at 11:41 AM, jakone said:

Carroll at Homestead

Dwenger at Luers

Northrop at Snider

South Side at North Side

Wayne At Concordia

Carroll 42 Homestead 21

Dwenger 49 Luers 14

Northrop 21 Snider 10

North Side 56 South Side 21

Concordia 35 Wayne 7

3 hours ago, DT said:

The loss to Mt Vernon was shocking for many, but in my view, the narrow 17-14 win over Greenfield Central is the even more surprising outcome.

Mt Vernon is a rising power and built to be the next dominant program in the HHC.  

Greenfield Central is 1-3 this year, and has lost 11 straight to New Pal by some horrifically lopsided scores , including these past 5 contests between the two schools 

2019  68-0

2018   76-6

2017    59-3

2016    84-21

2015    77-20

 

GC is 5-26 over the past 3 seasons.  

Can you imagine the reaction had GC pulled off the upset?

Is NP only a 3 point better program than GC?

Whats the scoop?

And might the current reality give Coach R reason to look into some other opportunities?

They graduated everyone. AND, correct me if I’m wrong, Coach Ralph changed his offense to fit The Big Fella.  I believe Coach Ralph likes to spread it out.  If that’s the case, these kids have yet to run that O, add the fact that they don’t have experience and it’s possible to have a down Sr class too.  Add it all up and you get a mediocre 4-1.   Having said that, I would not want to draw New Pal in the Sectionals. 

On 9/25/2020 at 1:17 PM, WilELee said:

Can everyone go to the games yet?

I haven't seen an update to the original plan of no fans for 2 weeks and parents only for 2 weeks.

This week more are allowed in.  How many?  I’m not sure. 

On 9/25/2020 at 2:01 PM, Indian72 said:

The trend is not downward in many places.  Over 50% of the new cases are 40 and under.  This is going to get more serious as we move along n the season

You might want things to get worse, but they are NOT.  

21 hours ago, Gridiron_Junkie said:

I stand firm, I is say Luers should be in the #9 position. For now.

Luers is not very good.  Northrop should beat Luers easily.   
North Sides D is proving to get worse and worse every week. 
on the others. 
1.  Dwenger is easily the best team in the SAC.  I don’t think Homestead is within 14 points if Devon Tippmann wasn’t out that game. 
2.  Carroll will beat Homestead.  
3.  Homestead is getting better.  More specifically, Ormsby.  If he continues to improve, it can open things up more for Hartwick. If that happens, they could(still don’t think it will happen) beat Carroll. 
4.  Concordia. Their D is very good. They have 2 DBs that are All Sac at least on Grossman and Vanderbosch. 
The games lost were without starting QB and Center which caused MAJOR problems. Look for them to play the Saints better than expected. 
5.  North Side. They may be lower but for now, this is the spot. 
6. Northrop.  If you look into the numbers, the D has played well against everyone.  The O has let them down.  However, they have the athletes to do it. 
7.  Snider.  Because of coaching, they are here.  The youth is getting better but a well coached Senior laden team will be too much for them which was the case against Homestead last week. 
8. Luers.  They are actually getting better.  The only issue is they are not deep enough to beat most teams. 
9.  South Side. Only because they beat Wayne.  Although I think big they play again, Wayne wins by 2 scores. 
10. Wayne. They will get better each year Haydock is in charge.  They are also better than their record.  But for now, this is where they belong. 

On 9/18/2020 at 10:14 PM, OldschoolFB said:

North Side lost to Luers after taking a 46-42 lead with 1:30 left.  Luers wins 49-46.  North Side is not good.  And they are getting worse.  
Hopefully Dwenger wins tomorrow night and I might actually look smart to the board.   That’s going to be a great one to watch.  I predict the Saints win 31-21.  

I hate to bump my own post.....BUT....I couldn’t help it.  Saints win last night vs Carroll 31-21.   Time for me to retire at picking scores and go out on top.  

2 hours ago, Basementbias said:

Don't fret it. My NE8 picks this week make me look terrible. EN losing to Leo and then Norwell took it to New Haven. Plus CC had to escape DeKalb. Some teams came to play and others didn't. It happens to all of us. Just tells me that NE Indiana shouldn't look for a 4A champion this year at this point. Looks like Mooresville will be the team to beat in that class. Dwenger vs Carroll should be a good one but they're high school kids and the routine has changed so it's a crapshoot.

If Leo would throw the ball, they could win 4A.  But they wont win anything with this offense.  
CC is always CC.  Always laying an egg or two.  
New Haven score surprised me a lot.  
As did North Side.  
Snider is getting worse by the week. 
Concordia is anyone’s guess

Northrop is a team that scares me.  If you let up just a little, they could surprise you.  

9 hours ago, OldschoolFB said:

North Side Had to play d before I say they are for real.  
Dwenger beats Carroll on Saturday.   I may be eating my words come Monday but I feel they match up very well with Carroll. 

North Side lost to Luers after taking a 46-42 lead with 1:30 left.  Luers wins 49-46.  North Side is not good.  And they are getting worse.  
Hopefully Dwenger wins tomorrow night and I might actually look smart to the board.   That’s going to be a great one to watch.  I predict the Saints win 31-21.  

On 9/15/2020 at 10:04 AM, NE8Fan said:

1. Carroll

2. Dwenger

3. Leo

4. East Noble

5. North Side

6. Homestead

7. New Haven 

8. Snider

9. Eastside

10. Coumbia City

In the mix..

South Adams, Adams Central, Angola, Norwell, Northrop

 

Thoughts?

North Side Had to play d before I say they are for real.  
Dwenger beats Carroll on Saturday.   I may be eating my words come Monday but I feel they match up very well with Carroll. 

19 hours ago, dmizers3 said:

Based on returning talent from last year and moreso on performance so far this season I'd say Cathedral is significantly better than everyone else in 5A.  Now its a long season and we have potential covid issues, injuries and teams will improve as the season goes on but at this point it looks like 5A is Cathedral's title to lose.

The more I think about it,  I’m starting to lean this way too.  One thing is for sure 5A is loaded this year at the top.  As they were last year in the top 4 teams.  This year seems a little bit deeper. Maybe top 6 or 7 are very good. 

On 6/12/2020 at 10:16 PM, HanShotFirst said:

The Valparaiso Vikings dominate the Sectional, crush Concord/Mishawaka, win a tight one over the Saints - the new QB Grimes making all the difference, then eke out a win over the Irish of Cathedral during Thanksgiving weekend.  5A State Champs!

I hope I’m wrong, but this is the most likely scenario.   Even with Cathedral beating Carmel this past weekend.  However, I would love to see the Saints pull it off.