22 minutes ago, gindie said:

Has the rule changed over the years regarding penalties on scoring plays?  I seem to remember in the past, you had to decline the penalty to keep the points.  If you accepted, then the points came off the board.

However, recently, I see more situations where the points stay and the penalty is enforced on the kickoff.

Can someone explain how all that works and whether it's the same at all levels? 

The rules are different depending on the level of play. Under high school rules, if there is a foul by the opponent on a scoring play, the offense almost always has the option to keep the points and have the penalty enforced either on the try or on the succeeding kickoff.

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-blamed-nfl-penalty-deception/ 

REPORT: NFL Is Now Blaming The Lions For “Engaging In Deception And Gamesmanship” With Cowboys & Refs

It does not look like the NFL feels sorry for the Detroit Lions over what happened on Saturday.

According to Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio, the NFL has no plans to change the rules on players reporting as eligible after Saturday night’s fiasco in Dallas.

To make matters worse, the league is actually placing blame on the Detroit Lions for what happened.

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

Why would #70 report as eligible lined up as a RT covered up by TWO players on that side of the LOS? 
 

There’s clear video evidence of #68 reporting as eligible and the official acknowledging it. He announced the wrong player and then doubled down on his mistake. The NFL downgrading this crew from playoff contention is their unofficial apology to the Lions that the crew screwed up. 

No doubt it was handled in less than optimal fashion by the crew. The Lions tried a cute one, and in the end they tricked not only the defense, but the crew as well.

16 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Two people can’t report as eligible.

Your incorrect understanding of the rule is preventing you from analyzing what happened on the field and reconciling the video and post-game statements. It is perfectly legal to have multiple players with ineligible numbers report as eligible, as long as they are correctly positioned at the snap. 

1 hour ago, Footballking16 said:

It appears the official mixed up the numbers of who reported as eligible and doesn’t want to own that mistake. Why would #70 (who didn’t even get close to the official upon substituting) report as eligible while he’s covered up?

That does not explain why Campbell said after the game that both #68 and #70 were supposed to report as eligible.

2 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

70 appears to be lined up at RT and not on the end of the LOS. Does that change things? I just saw this clip this morning. Sounds like 68 is the one who reported eligible but the official announced 70 who was ineligible regardless because of where he was positioned.

That runs counter to what Campbell said after the game. He said Detroit’s intent was to have both #70 and #68 be eligible … which can only happen legally if one or both of them lines up in the backfield. 

Did a little more digging on this play, and it looks like the Lions were the ones who screwed this up. Campbell said after the game that both #68 and #70 reported as eligible, and they were told that they couldn’t designate 2 players. If that were the case, then their formation would have been illegal. Think about it. If both ##68 & 70 were on the ends of the line, and the 2 guards and center were in their accustomed positions, that’s only 5 players. The other 6 would have to be off the line — and you’re limited to no more than 4 in the backfield. So, there would have been an illegal formation foul at the snap. Also, if #68 reported as eligible, he would have been specifically identified to the defense: “#68 has reported as an eligible receiver.” It doesn’t appear that happened either.

Early in my career, a veteran official explained this sort of play to me as follows: “A fuc*ed up play deserves a fuc*ed up call.”

6 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

@Bobrefcan you give us an explanation on the 2 pt play? 

I’m not an NFL rules expert by any means. But my understanding is that the Lions’ #68 was positioned on the end of the line as a left tackle, went downfield at the snap, and caught a pass in the end zone for an apparent 2 pt conversion. After discussion, the crew flagged him for illegal touching, which wiped out the 2 pts. Under NFL rules, any player not wearing a number 1-49 or 80-99, must report to the officials that he is assuming a position that makes him an eligible receiver, i.e., in the backfield or on the end of the line. If he fails to so report, he remains ineligible because of his number even if he lines up in an eligible position. When he is the first to touch a forward pass, the touching is illegal, which results in a 5 yd. penalty from the previous spot and replay of the down.

It might be appropriate to ask the Lions’ coach why, after the penalty was enforced, he didn’t then kick the try and go to OT, rather than put the game on the line with what was essentially “4th & goal” from the 7 yd. line, having already used up the trick play they were counting on to win the game.

I understand there is video that some people are using to question whether #68 may have actually reported and the crew missed it. I expect the NFL to make some sort of statement about that once they’ve heard from the crew.

Michigan? The Tide? Upstart Washington? Return to Glory Texas?

After considerable soul searching, I have reluctantly decided that I want Michigan to take home the brass ring. I did so for 3 reasons:

1. After all, it’s the B1G.
2. I would really enjoy the NCAA people swallowing hard while watching Harbaugh accept the trophy.
3. By pulling for the Striped Helmeted Head of the Weasel Family, it’s possible I might shock @temptation into at least momentary silence, which would give us a respite, however brief, from his incessant defenses of Khaki Boy.

49 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

He obtained that talent over the years by resurrecting and sustaining a top tier program in arguably the toughest conference. You make it sound like a walk in the park…

And if we’re talking about college coaches, isn’t ability to recruit that talent a skill some coaches are better at than others? Same for player development.

2 hours ago, BTF said:

All this being said, how can one claim that Saban is a better coach than Brian Kelly given what Kelly did over a ten year span at a university with high academic standards. I've been saying for years that Nick Saban might be one of the best 25 coaches in the country. It's hard to say he's top five given the advantages he has with top tier talent. 

So, if you win multiple nattys over decades, that disqualifies you from consideration as a top tier coach because of the great talent you’ve been able to recruit and develop?

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Imagine being so triggered by a “sign stealing scandal” that you attempt to label Jim Harbaugh as the cheater in a photo next to Nick Saban.

Need I remind you, Saban coaches in the $EC which stands for “surely everyone cheats” or “send everyone cash.”

Both can be true.

10 hours ago, BTF said:

The rumors are out there. Harbaugh to the NFL, Brian Kelly to the Wolverines? 

Yeah, like I need another reason to dislike Michigan.

Interesting fact: Arch Manning, who wasn’t even a starter at Texas, made $3.2 million in NIL deals this season. Brock Purdy, the odds on favorite to be the NFL MVP, made $875K.

On 12/1/2023 at 1:55 PM, Lysander said:

think that an improved SF remains the way v. automatic bumps or multipliers.  If anyone remembers, I was strongly opposed to the SF back in the day and advocated an automatic bump.  I’ve had a lot of years to reconsider and have come around that the automatic bump for EVERY P/P school in EVERY sport (boys and girls) because a handful of schools have extraordinary football success simply isn’t the right or fair approach. Bump schools in the sport tge punch above class in but leave everything else alone.  The SF seems the only way to get this right.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Eagles ended up #14, while Massillon made the top 10. The Eagles’ 15-13 loss at Massillon came with their QB1 on the sidelines with a knee injury. Had they won that game, likely they would have flip flopped the national ranking with Massillon and ended up #10 instead of #14. Oh well, ….

Oft-maligned Offensive Coordinator, Gerard Parker, is reportedly leaving to take the HFC job at Troy. 

12 hours ago, whiteshoes said:

14.   Lakewood (OH) St. Edward (15-1)

As always, it’s a great day to be an Eagle!🦅 

So, if you’re the Chargers, who would you rather have as your coach to start 2024, Bill Belichik or Jim Harbaugh? 

50 minutes ago, Irishman said:

George McGinnis passed this morning....I loved those ABA Pacers teams, and George was a great one. So many great memories, and I have no doubt those teams could have competed well against the NBA teams. RIP George

 

This was written before he passed and is a great story. 
https://www.nba.com/pacers/news/his-best-george-mcginnis-was-best?fbclid=IwAR2HaausRgEWauA-r59Jln2wi9vMBS0ImIklI1Vx3R61KwPtrahqznTecQ4 

Saw him play when I was a freshman at Notre Dame and IU came up and beat Austin Carr and the Irish 106-103. What a player!

Today marks the 103rd anniversary of the death of George Gipp.

Craig Osika has resigned at Hobart. 52-20 in 6 seasons, including a state runner-up finish.

27 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

So @Bobref,   assuming you are saying, give you Harbaugh and call it a day?   If not Harbaugh, who would you suggest be a good choice since you have moved on from FLUS.

I don’t know. But then again, I’m not the GM of the Bears, being paid several million $$ a year to know the answer. I bet he’s better at it than me. At least, we better hope so.

Please stop.