Bobref

I wish people would focus more on the idea under discussion, as opposed to the person generating the idea. Far too much of “ I don’t think your idea is a good one, so you are a bad person.” An intellectually weak position that does nothing to stimulate the discussion.

Perhaps. But there is no way they’re going to actually litigate a breach of contract claim. And if he intends to coach again w/in the term of the contract, he needs to negotiate a buyout, too. So, they’ll arrive at a settlement. Now, whether there’s a market somewhere for his services is another question.

Well, I haven’t seen his contract. But being bad at your job isn’t “cause.”

So, is this a case of “backlash” against the well-known Central Indiana bias? 😂😅

The money is just so enormous. It’s generational, life-changing money. I don’t condemn them.

I was thinking of it more from a player’s standpoint. If I were a kid about to make it big, who got help from my teammates all along the way, I don’t know how I could look them in the face and tell them “thanks,” but they’ll have to play in their NY6 bowl game against a worthy opponent without me.

The “Ricky Bobby” mentality. In the last 5 seasons, the Irish have won 54 games (so far). How many D-I schools can say that? Take a look at the recruiting rankings. If anything, the Irish have recently overachieved.

I looked up his contract. It runs through the 2025-26 season at somewhere between $10 and $12 million annually. So, he’s going to be OK.

ND has 2 Indiana kids in the 21 player early signing class that committed this past week: two OL, one from Zionsville and the other from Lawrenceburg. That’s about 20% of their class. Nationally, there are a little over 1 million boys playing 11 man football. A little over 20,000 — about 2% — come from Indiana. I wouldn’t say ND’s recruiting emphasis unduly excludes Indiana.

Have you given any thought to why it bugs you?

As a practical matter, that won’t work. A kid says he won’t opt out. The deadline passes. He changes his mind. What are you going to do? Force him to play?

At the rate we are going, play in bowl games (other than the CFP games) will inevitably deteriorate as more and more of the better players opt out. Saw this morning that Kenny Pickett, Pitt’s Heisman finalist QB, won’t play in the Peach Bowl. His two backups have attempted a total of 18 passes this year. I understand the economic issue. It’s the whole Jaylon Smith thing. But I continue to believe that $$ should not be the only consideration. If you’re a player who is going to be drafted, that reality is based on your performance as a player. And your performance is dependent to a degree on your teammates and coaches who helped you get there. So now, when they get to a big stage, you’re not going to be there with them? You’re going to leave them in the lurch? With the prevalence of “loss of value” insurance, players can protect their downside risk. Is there a place left in the game for loyalty and obligation, or is the money just too big?

Let me translate that from Dabo-speak to plain English: “Those other guys are out-recruiting me.” 😥

“Do as I say, not as I do.”

The Jags decided to implement their own form of “Urban renewal.” https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32879774/urban-meyer-jacksonville-jaguars-head-coach-rocky-first-year Jaguars fire Urban Meyer after 13 games, countless missteps By MARK LONGtoday JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — Urban Meyer never fit in the NFL. His mottos. His methods. Even his moods seemed to go against what’s considered normal behavior in a league filled with professionals and grown men. He rubbed just about everyone the wrong way: assistants, players and eventually his bosses. Meyer’s tumultuous tenure ended after just 13 games — and two victories — when the Jacksonville Jaguars fired him early Thursday because of an accumulation of missteps. Owner Shad Khan made the move hours after former Jaguars player Josh Lambo told a Florida newspaper Meyer kicked him during practice in August. It was the latest black eye — adding to an already lengthy list of embarrassments — for the three-time national championship-winning college coach who failed miserably to make the transition to the NFL. “After deliberation over many weeks and a thorough analysis of the entirety of Urban’s tenure with our team, I am bitterly disappointed to arrive at the conclusion that an immediate change is imperative for everyone,” Khan said in a statement. “I informed Urban of the change this evening. As I stated in October, regaining our trust and respect was essential. Regrettably, it did not happen.” Meyer joins former Atlanta Falcons coach Bobby Petrino as college coaches whose NFL careers flamed out in stunningly swift fashion. Petrino resigned in December 2007 to take over at Arkansas. He was 3-10 at the time. Meyer went 2-11 in his partial season, and the Jaguars really started to unravel on the offensive side of the ball following the team’s bye week. They averaged a measly 9.1 points in Meyer’s final seven games, which ended with a five-game skid. Offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell will serve as Jacksonville’s interim head coach for the final four games, beginning Sunday against Houston (2-11). Meyer’s biggest issues came off the field, where he tried to handle a professional team like he was on a college campus. He splashed slogans and catchphrases around the facility, instilled gimmicks in practice and repeated his misguided belief that coaches coach for players and players play for coaches. He brought in motivational speakers and kept blaming assistants for the team’s mounting losses instead of the guys actually on the field. One of Meyer’s most damning decisions came following a Thursday night game at Cincinnati in late September. He chose to stay behind with family instead of flying home with his team and then got caught on video the following night behaving inappropriately with a woman at a bar in Columbus, Ohio. Khan publicly reprimanded Meyer then, saying he needed to regain the owner’s trust and respect. Bailing on his players showed just how out of touch Meyer was with NFL norms. And it was just one of many head-scratching choices for the 57-year-old coach who found success at every college stop: Bowling Green (2001-02), Utah (2003-04), Florida (2005-10) and Ohio State (2012-18). Meyer simply never made the proper adjustments to the pro level. Lambo’s claim seemingly proved too much for Khan, who two days earlier said he didn’t want to make an impulsive decision on the coach’s future. “What’s different about this thing is you have losses and you have drama,” Khan said then. The Jags had way more drama than victories. Lambo provided the latest when he told the Tampa Bay Times that Meyer kicked him while he was stretching at the start of a practice. Lambo, the team’s place-kicker to open the season, said he told Meyer “don’t you ever (expletive) kick me again” and said the coach responded, “I’m the head ball coach, I’ll kick you whenever the (expletive) I want.” Meyer released a statement through the team denying the incident happened the way Lambo described it. “Josh’s characterization of me and this incident is completely inaccurate, and there are eyewitnesses to refute his account,” Meyer said. Lambo said he reported the kick to his agent, who contacted the Jaguars’ legal counsel the following day. “Jaguars legal counsel indeed acknowledged and responded immediately to the query made by Josh Lambo’s agent Friday, August 27, 2021,” the Jaguars said in a statement. “Counsel offered to speak with Josh, or to assist Josh in speaking with coaching or any other football personnel, if he was comfortable with her sharing the information. Any suggestion otherwise is blatantly false.” Lambo was released after he missed his first three field-goal attempts to start the season. Lambo’s allegation came on the heels of an NFL Network report which said Meyer created tension with multiple run-ins with players as well as assistants he allegedly called “losers.” Citing unidentified sources, the report detailed a heated exchange between Meyer and veteran receiver Marvin Jones that stemmed from Meyer criticizing receivers by saying they weren’t winning enough one-on-one matchups or getting enough separation. “I would just say this: There was something that was brought to my attention that I didn’t like too well,” Jones said Wednesday, his first public comments since the report was published Saturday. “I approached him about it and we talked and we handled it like grown men. And that’s all I have to say about that.” Jones denied threatening to leave practice over the argument. “I mean, shoot, when you lose, you’re always going to be the center of attention in a negative way,” Jones said. “That just is what it is. That’s all I have to say.” Other issues for Meyer: — He hired strength coach Chris Doyle in February despite accusations of racist behavior and then had to let him go a day later because of a pending lawsuit. — Jacksonville was fined $200,000 and Meyer docked $100,000 on July 1, a punishment that stemmed from an early June practice in which the league deemed receivers and defensive backs had too much contact during 11-on-11 drills. — Meyer signed 2007 Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Tim Tebow to play tight end, an experiment that ended with Tebow looking lost in the preseason opener against Cleveland. — Meyer held a fake QB competition between Trevor Lawrence, a generational prospect, and Gardner Minshew in training camp. Meyer and general manager Trent Baalke traded Minshew to Philadelphia, where he’s a backup to Jalen Hurts. — The NFL Players Association launched an investigation after Meyer said vaccination status factored into the team’s roster decisions. — He repeatedly mishandled running back James Robinson, allowing the team’s most consistent offensive player to get benched twice following fumbles and botched trying to explain why Robinson got pulled and how long he remained on the sideline. All the drama became too much for Lawrence. “I do think that has to change and that’s something that we need to work on for sure,” Lawrence said Wednesday. “You can’t always be in the headlines. You just got to go play football, and that’s where we’re trying to get, and I have no doubt we’ll get there.”

I would think the other HCC schools would be more interested in how well Carmel travels, i.e., what type of gate they can bring. Is it big enough to offset the potential disruption of competitive balance?

All true. But you didn’t mention anything about $$. Follow the money. What does Carmel bring to the HCC economically?

Spot on.

Today, the topic on Chicago radio was “How bad do the Packers have to beat the Bears Sunday night for Nagy to get fired Monday?”

Yes, and that is so unfair. What people don’t remember is that the ensuing MRI confirmed a sprain of Cutler’s MCL. https://www.masslive.com/sports/2011/01/todays_trifecta_jay_cutlers_mr.html

It was either 1967 or 1968 when I played in both Paul Brown Tiger Stadium in Massillon, and Fawcett Stadium (now Tom Benson Hall of Fame Stadium), in Canton. Two legendary high school football venues in Ohio.

Wow! I promise in the future I’ll be much more careful in the way I agree with you. 🙄

The same person who apparently anointed you, and everyone else who voices a opinion on here. In case you didn’t notice, I was agreeing with you.

@HHF, your avatar should be a lightning rod. Nevertheless, your basic premise is not wrong. Declining participation numbers are altering the competitive landscape. Right here close to home, Munster’s precipitous decline from one of the Region’s consistently good programs to one that can’t field a JV team and a varsity that just celebrated a 3 win season … because that matched their win total for the previous 3 seasons combined. We may be headed for another “new normal.”

7. Coaches' vote dependence influences officiating behavior in a negative way. It stands to reason that since advancing in the playoffs is a goal for many crews, the officials on those crews will adopt behaviors they perceive as more likely to help them advance. Unfortunately, those behaviors do not necessarily correlate with good officiating practices. In same case, the coaches' vote system has operated to reinforce negative behaviors. Two examples come to mind. First, sideline management and control has been a point of emphasis for a number of years. This is a safety issue, not a cosmetic or "territory" issue. As a consequence, the IHSAA has repeatedly urged officials to strictly enforce the restricted area and sideline rules. In contrast, many coaches don't like that. They like to be as close to the sidelines as possible, or even a little way out on the field, so that the players on the field can easily see and hear them. There is a perception among officials that coaches react negatively to being told to get off the field, get out of the restricted area, etc., and that negative reaction manifests itself in the coaches' vote. So, some officials are lax in enforcing the sideline rules in the belief they are avoiding the negative effect on their coaches' vote rating. A second area where the fear of an unfavorable coaches' vote causes some officials to let things slide is uniform violations. The IHSAA has been very clear with its officials. They want uniform violations cleaned up. Uniform adornments, pants or jerseys that are too short, face paint that looks like it came right out of Braveheart, etc., all those things need to be caught in the pregame and corrected. But more than one coach has expressed frustration when a crew member comes up to him just before game time and informs him that he's got 10 kids with illegal face paint and two that are wearing pants that don't cover the knee. So, some officials let those things slide. And it's not a defense that they are "nitpicky." We all have a boss. Our boss wants those rules enforced, so we should enforce them. Although the vast majority of coaches undoubtedly participate in the process in an ethical way, every official has a story about a coach who threatened a bad coaches' vote after a controversial call. Such conduct is grounds for an immediate unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, but again, apprehension about the effect such an action would have on a coaches' vote -- one that would follow a crew for several years -- sometimes prevents officials from doing what they should. In short, while incentivizing behavior that leads to better officiating is a goal of our process, in this regard the coaches' vote actually works contrary to the articulated goal.