Bobref

You just like the way he dresses.

Here’s a shout out to all those freedom loving guys who are taking a stand against wearing masks.

@DannEllenwood, serious question. How is the below different from what you are advocating?

Dann, it is no sin to be ignorant. That simply means uninformed on a particular topic. There are a lot of subjects on which I am ignorant, because I simply don’t have the knowledge. Ignorant does not mean stupid. ”Willful“ ignorance, on the other hand, is something else.

Yeah, I couldn’t post next week’s links yet. You asked for the science. I provided it. Where’s yours? ... That’s what I thought. Your opinion, like those of some other frequent fliers on here, is driven by your personal desires and your personal politics. Not by science ... or logic. They say misery loves company. I guess ignorance does, too.

How many references do you want? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612172200.htm https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/16/mask-covid http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html I can list as many more as you need to get it through your head that masking works. Now, in return, how about a list of scientific references from you supporting the notion that the best way to address the threat posed by SARS-CoV-2 is just to make sure everyone gets the disease? I’ll sit down and wait for your answer.

I believe the climate today is quite different than it was back then. The NFL obviously believes that, too.

So what does this do to the planned restart of high school football? https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/face-masks-to-be-mandatory-in-marion-county-beginning-july-9?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2020-07-02 Face masks to be mandatory in Marion County beginning July 9 July 2, 2020 | Samm Quinn, Indianapolis Business Journal KEYWORDS CORONAVIRUS / DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH / GOV. ERIC HOLCOMB / HEALTH CARE / INDIANAPOLIS / LAW & POLITICS / LOCAL GOVERNMENT / MARION COUNTY / POLITICS / PUBLIC HEALTH COMMENTS PRINT Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett and Marion County Public Health Department officials said Thursday that they’re mandating that face masks be worn in public in Marion County. Beginning July 9, face coverings will be required to be worn in indoor places where the public gathers, such as in office buildings and retail stores. They’ll also be required outdoors when it’s not possible to socially distance. The mandate comes as Marion County prepares to enter Stage 4.5 of the state’s Back on Track plan, announced by Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday. The state is strongly recommending — but not mandating — Hoosiers wear masks and has launched a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging face coverings. As part of the new public health order, events larger than 1,000 people will be required to submit a health and safety plan to the Marion County Public Health Department for approval. Nursing homes and assisted living facilities will remain closed to visitors, and overnight camps will not be allowed. “This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

I think your point would have more weight ... if our society weren’t so mobile. The absence of any borders except lines on a map cries out for more uniformity than individuality in any solution. The virus doesn’t read maps.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Thank goodness!

By the way, that was not intended as a pro-Biden statement on my part, if that’s how you took it. Quite the opposite.

It’s more than embarrassing. It’s dangerous. This country has not been in such dire need of strong leadership since WW II. And regardless of the outcome of the election, we’re not going to get it.

Biden’s got only one thing going for him, as far as I can see. He’s not Trump.

Not even close. https://moneywise.com/a/the-most-dishonest-profession

The only whistle I ever used.

Was it a pealess Whistle, like a Fox 40? Or did you use a real football whistle, like the Acme Thunderer?

Like the poor, the jackasses will always be with us.

Couldn’t agree more about consistency, and if that’s the argument he’s trying to make, he’s done a poor job of it. It’s the part about riots and protests that strikes me as wrongheaded ... and makes me think his statement is more about politics than public health.

Try as I might, I cannot see the logic behind this. It reminds me of when I was a little kid, and one of my friends got to do something I wanted to do, but my parents wouldn’t let me because they thought it was unsafe. I would stamp my foot and wail about the unfairness of kids getting to do something that I couldn’t. I guess I’ve sort of answered my own question: it’s “little kids logic.”

If it heads in that direction, the IHSAA could cut the regular season to as little as 4 games. That’s the minimum # needed to qualify for the tournament under the current bylaws. But there will be a tournament. Economics dictates that.

In case there is any question about the power of the government to order masking, that’s been settled for over a hundred years. The SCOTUS case upholding a Massachusetts compulsory vaccination law is Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905): “The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint, nor is it an element in such liberty that one person, or a minority of persons residing in any community and enjoying the benefits of its local government, should have power to dominate the majority when supported in their action by the authority of the State. It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law, and it is for the legislature, and not for the courts, to determine in the first instance whether vaccination is or is not the best mode for the prevention of smallpox and the protection of the public health.”

My question actually was whether you had kids that were vaccinated.

Russell Wilson

I will be interested to see what @DannEllenwood has to say on the subject. He’s the one to whom I posed the original question.