Bobref

As described by you, that’s an incorrect enforcement. You have a live ball foul and an unsportsmanlike conduct foul, which is always enforced as a dead ball foul. So, the penalties for both fouls are enforced. They are not combined to create multiple fouls.

I have a Homecoming/Girls’ Locker Room story from many years ago. But I have to check and make sure the statute of limitations has run before I tell it. 😉

So many stories like this …. Once we were told we had to dress in the room where the marching band stored some instruments. Some band members came in unannounced about an hour and 15 minutes before game time. I’m pretty sure most of them made it through psychotherapy and are now leading useful lives.

Had you taken the time to read any of the half dozen or so posts I’ve made on this subject, on this and other threads, you’d know that I’m on record as saying this was a mistake by the crew. After seeing the video, my opinion is that the proper foul, if any were to be called, would be unsportsmanlike conduct on Danville, not illegal participation. Since UNS is enforced like a dead ball foul, the play counts and the game is over. Now, so much for my being a “ref apologist,” a “moron,” or “asinine.” Let’s see if you’ve got the sack to do the right thing.

Strictly from a rules standpoint, a sideline warning and a coach being on the field are two unrelated situations governed by different rules with different penalties. So, I guess I don’t get your point.

In both cases you would assess the 5 yd. penalty from the spot of the illegal pass. If, after enforcement, it still leaves the ball beyond the line to gain, it’s a 1st down for A. If enforcement leaves it short of the line to gain, then it’s next down.

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They did not.

At the end of the game, the Referee holds up the football, signifying the period is over. Maybe in college or the NFL, but not in high school.

No drones allowed during the tournament.

What was your ruling?

Given the numbers situation, it would take something really egregious — and I don’t mean “that’s the worst call I’ve ever seen” egregious — to take someone off the field. The far better response for an error in officiating judgment and/or rules application is education and training.

Just my opinion, but I believe (after watching the video numerous times) the correct call would have been unsportsmanlike conduct on the Danville bench. That penalty would not actually have been enforced, since it is enforced after the result of the play stands, which would have ended the game. The key is that none of the people coming off the bench participated in the play.

IHSAA bylaws provide that, in all contests, there can be no appeal of an official’s decision, which is binding and final. Rule 9-5, 9-24.

The rule provides that contact against the kicker is a foul, but there are 4 instances in which contact is excused, one of which is “The defense touches the kick near the kicker and contact is unavoidable.” In this play, the contact would be excused.

That is not accurate. If a player runs backwards or sideways out of bounds, without contact by an opponent, the game clock stops and doesn’t start again until the snap. It’s only when forward progress is stopped inbounds by contact, and the runner then goes backwards or sideways out of bounds, that the clock continues to run.

Thank you for your very thoughtful explanation. There are a number of significant points you make, but I’ll only address one, or we’ll be here all day. Just my opinion: Except for a handful of really elite crews, the ratings calculated to determine playoff advancement have only a very loose correlation with officiating proficiency. Go ahead, change my mind.

I see crews from all over the state. I don’t get whatever point you’re trying to make here. Could you explain your thoughts in a little more detail?

That loss can’t get any worse.

You’re right, it doesn’t fit the protocol. Pretty hard to conceal the fact that you’re blowing an air horn. Proper procedure is to notify game management and let them take care of it. Similar to someone in the stands blowing a whistle.

I can foresee situations - such as upsets in conference championship games - where a 1 loss ND is on the outside looking in. This may be the year it finally dawns on them that the absence of a conference championship on their resume is a real obstacle to overcome, even with a 12 team playoff.

That season-opening win against Texas A & M is starting to look pretty good.

Agreed. However, “judgment” does not mean “do whatever you think is fair.” Judgment must be exercised within the boundaries of the rules and the philosophy behind the rules. Specific to this situation: you are not free to resolve the issue with a sideline warning, since the rules regarding sideline warnings don’t fit this situation.