Lysander

Question:  As a total aside, do you heathens out there know where the very first HS metric track was built in Indiana?

Answer:  Franklin County - 1978. 

6 hours ago, StinkTownClown said:

Chicken & Jo Joes: New Uniforms are on the way so that is changing. Maybe the one thing they can change is the Deck Height of their lawn mower. Stink swears it has been locked at 23" for over 10 years. Lower to 2" please. 

 

In '97, around Semi-State time, after travelling through drought stricken counties on the way, Noah and his Ark was somehow required simply to get onto the field at Franklin County....let alone play on it.

The football field there, specifically, just needed to get right with God.  Old Testament field......apparently.

It did get right with God.....as it turned out.

On 4/5/2019 at 8:33 AM, Muda69 said:

https://mises.org/wire/capitalism-aka-self-ownership-only-moral-economic-system

Agreed.  These "democratic socialists" or just plain socialists want to turn American citizens into unwilling slaves for the state.

 

C’mon, it just takes a “better person” to run a communist regime.

I could have done a better more benevolent job than Stalin (being a good person).....bet I could have killed 5-10 million less citizens.

13 hours ago, BTF said:

Honestly, I think they would be more accurate if they calculated the score after 3 periods instead of the entire game. Some teams keep their starters in the whole game even when it's a blowout. Others pull their starters after the 3rd.

Interesting thought.  You might well be right about that.

The other 63 teams in 3A all get Mono.

Do I get a per head deduction for any relatives that died fighting for the Union side when my Reparation’s bill shows up?

Since it’s tax season and all.....just trying to figure this out.

6 hours ago, Coach_K said:

I am just curious if this is the route schools are going.  There might be a variety of reasons for it including teacher salary being so low, retired teachers who still want to coach, etc.  I know some coaches put in 15 years of teaching and coaching then resign from coaching but keep teaching thus having less teacher vacancies in traditional teaching areas, PE and Social Studies.  There are also coaches who were coaching 2 and 3 sports now coaching 1.  I am one of those guys.  I put in 7 years as a varsity track coach, 5 years as a middle school basketball coach, and am in my 10th season as a football coach.  In the schools I have been in lay coaches are an integral part of the entire athletic dept.'s coaching staff.  

Some schools simply place an importance on academics only over the guy/girl who can teach and coach.  Some schools are too small to field their entire coaching staff through teachers, while others can.  This has just been something I have been curious about for about 5 years and finally decided to ask. Feel free to share more insights.

I honestly don’t really have much insight.  Rob coached the Freshman team for many years at Chatard and was well thought of by all.  Coached both my kids at Freshman level.  He was a QB at Andrean and at Depauw.  Think he is in the Hall of Fame at both schools.  Today he is an attorney - actually moved his practice to north Indy in part to be closer to the school.

Chatard's current Head Coach since 2017 has been a lay coach.

3 hours ago, psaboy said:

That was back 15-20 years ago. Nowadays I just don't think Snider can compete year in and year out vs Carmel or Penn for that matter. The best fit, IMO is 5A for Snider.

Not looking to insert myself into an internecine disagreement but Snider has been competitive well within the last 15-20 years in 6A.

2017 – Carmel defeats Snider 22-21 in Regional (Carmel loses to Penn in Semistate)

2012 – Snider makes it to the State Championship in 5A (still basically 6A at that time) and loses to Lawrence Central

2009 – Carmel defeats Snider 10-7 in Regional (Carmel loses to WC in 2OTs at LOS)

2008 – Carmel defeats Snider 24-21 in Regional (Carmel loses to Center Grove by 3 at LOS)

For 5 years (2013-16) Snider was in 5A so didn’t have a chance to play Carmel.

That said, I think teams should likely play in their class as defined by student population – so Snider should play in 5A.  Even so, Snider has been competitive against Carmel – but it wasn’t just 15-20 years ago.  Snider made it to State in the equivalent of 6A (then 5A) just 7 seasons ago.

Not sure where y'all are going with this...not sure I am following.  No one is denying the excellence of New Pal these last few years or the long term greatness of Snider.

Historically (I have said this 1,000 times), I felt for many years that the best classes pound for pound were 2A and 4A (prior to the expansion to 6A).  5A initially was fairly weak (Snider had a couple of down years about then).  Then some 4A teams (maybe just one - Cathedral) moved up to populate 5A.

Since then, it has changed with 3A becoming a stud class (which it had not been historically) with both 2A and 4A weaker. 4A for a few years has been pretty weak (since all the great 4A teams were now in 5A)- almost as weak as 5A in the beginning.

Probably the greatest (certainly the most entertaining) State Championship game I ever saw was New Pal v. Snider.

Last year's Evansville Memorial v. West Lafayette game was pretty amazing too.

No one is denying just how good New Pal and Snider have been these last few years....and I certainly don't forget how many years Snider provided Carmel their toughest playoff game on the way to LOS. 

I'm all in for Edinburgh this year.

Bought my "Shake Weight" there.  Best fitness device ever.

You should see my forearms.

3 hours ago, Irishman said:

Thank you for sharing this Lysander, very cool. I say that prayer before each game, and I still hear Coach Shine saying it as I do. 

Prayers to the Warren family and the BC family. 

Thanks Irishman.  Coach Shine said the prayer at the funeral.  My guess is that so long as he lives only he can lead that prayer at Bishop Chatard.  When asked a few days earlier, Coach L simply stated that Coach Shine “says the prayer”.

My wife and I grew up in Southeast Indiana but our work life took us to Indy many years ago.  As the Catholic in the family she chose Bishop Chatard and the boys and I followed.  It’s a choice I have never regretted.

At the football banquets every year when they ask all who have played for Bishop  Chatard to step forward and then a prayer is said I choke up a bit.  The number of men standing is a long, long blue line going back over 50 years.  My wife and I have often looked at one another and mutually said that we could have only wished to be able to stand at an event like this.  

We take solace in the fact our sons can stand.  

A belated reference to his passing.

James Edward “JDub” Warren passed away on February 22, 2019.  He was a Senior at Indiana State University when he was first diagnosed with Stage 4 Melanoma in September. 

He took part in 2 State Championship teams as a Lineman.  He could have played in college but chose not to do so.

Knowing him, he was just a wonderful kid who had a laugh for everyone…yet he was so much more than that.

It’s not my place to speak as to just how special he was..…or how hard he fought and how much his Mother and Father loved him…and fought with him, as well, until the end.

For those outside of the Chatard Community, I don’t think you will understand just how much so many people gathered round his family and just what they did.

He was a special kid.  As all in the football community here are…and those outside as well.

Chris Ballard (GM of the Indianapolis Colts) and Frank Reich (Indianapolis Colts) spent time at his bedside.  Frank Reich even came back a couple of days later and prayed with him for an hour at his bedside.

“JDub” wrote a letter to his friends and another to his mother in the sad anticipation of his passing.  It was  printed at the funeral but I will not post it here. 

It was inspirational and, yet, broke me to tears.  He cared so much for those of us yet living.

Perhaps the most seminal part of the funeral was when a coach and so many players there said the Chatard Prayer as they do before each game.  The prayer is not so much about victory as it is to bless all those on the field.

It was one of the most touching events I have seen in my life. 

This is a kid I knew. 

A special kid.

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/indystar/obituary.aspx?pid=191654380

Howard the Duck.

Best buds with Man-Thing in Silver Age Marvel

Lamest movie of all time...kind of like this thread.

36 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Both of you guys have great new avatars!!...I feel as if I was a bit to "traditionalistic" in the selection of mine now.  Does it reflect my true "homer" bias??

Be a “homer” as long as you can - you still have kids on the field.  

I’m envious.

17 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

Great avatar!!  

Thought it would best reflect my "welcoming" personality....

1 hour ago, TrojanDad said:

You lost me a little with that logic Ly.....

According to 247, Bell did get an offer from ND.  And Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Iowa, Michigan State......

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/David-Bell-89097/RecruitInterests/

 

I stand corrected.  

Until such time as the whole Mr. Football “thing” really gives serious and legitimate consideration to lineman it’s, as often as not, a glorified skilled position player popularity contest.  

Personally, I think Bell is probably a better talent BUT Notre Dame didn’t....they chose Kiser.  My guess is that they know a helluva better than I do.  Until Purdue (whom I love) is spoken in the same breath as Notre Dame (whom I.....well....don’t love....I was going to make some snide comment about loving them like I love venereal disease but I won’t do that) then I think Notre Dame’s opinion trumps mine.

That said, I’ve just never cared one way or the other about Mr. Football.  

Amazes me all the heartburn it causes folks.

Never watched "Watersports" (or whatever it was called) but I do know it was the late great Jerry Reed's last time on the big screen. 

31 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee’s BACK!!!!!!!!!!!

#BottomsUp

Yes!

Took me a while but I finally made bail.

On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 9:32 AM, crimsonace1 said:

Part of the equation is that some schools simply will not schedule Cathedral - which is not uncommon for top programs (Some schools don't schedule games against P/P schools at all. Others will not schedule games where they believe they'll not be competitive). It's not easy to find opponents, even for public schools with a reputation for being powerhouses, but especially a powerhouse P/P like Cathedral. 

Never understand the intimidation factor so many seem to supine themselves to as regards Cathedral.  Always going to give you their best game....but geeze....it ain't like they are the '85 Bears.

Add in the fact that most of the teams that *would* schedule them have conference schedules and thus 6 or 7 weeks of games are already locked in, and it becomes difficult. I'm not sure Cathedral's globetrotting schedule has as much to do with its willingness to test itself as simply the ability to find games (and often, against opponents that are in a similar situation). Cathedral's schedule is further hampered by the fact that it has no home field, thus has to schedule its home games around someone else's schedule. 

Agreed. 

Cathedral's schedule, as Rudy pointed out above, used to largely be made up of other P/Ps in the city and IPS schools. But now that most of the P/Ps the Irish used to play are in the Circle City conference and IPS has struggled as much of its population has moved to the townships and now to the first-ring suburbs outside of Marion County (and as those schools have grown, they have traditional opponents they often play and/or are locked into conference schedules), it's harder to find local games. 

The Circle City Conference is no deterrent or limitation on scheduling Cathedral.  Chatard does every year.  Guerin never has. Brebeuf is playing them this year (think Brebeuf won the last meeting in 2016). Roncalli doesn't play them these days but it has nothing to do the their being in the CCC.  Agreed about IPS schools.  IPS outside of a couple of good years for Tech around 2013 is simply a wreck and has been for a long time.