Lysander

4 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

2013 they likely would have won. But I think it’s an interesting scenario. If they played the 2013 game vs GS they would have looked at almost the same exact team they faced in 2015. So many 3 year starters on that 2015 GS team and a handful of 4 year starters

Actually I shortchanged Chatard.  They won 11 Championships in 18 years (1997-2015).  I forgot the 1997 Championship.  The only loss was the previously mentioned Northwood game in 2005.

I also agree with Screagle about 2017 Memorial and 2018 Memorial and West Lafayette being the best teams in the State not 6A or 5A those years.  Last year’s 3A Championship game was entertaining a State Championship game as I have ever seen.   The only State Championship game that was more fun to watch (that I can recall) was the 2015 Snider/New Pal game.

4 hours ago, Offintheyard said:

2005  3-6 Northwood makes a run and wins 3A state title over Chatard 7-0

That is the run that I first thought of when I saw the thread.  

But if if folks want to talk about continuous championship runs, I’d think Chatard’s 10 state Championships in 17 years (1998-2015) ought to get some consideration.  Add that there were two 3-Peats in there (2001-3 and 2010-12) and I think the 2013 team likely would have won 3A (for a 4-Peat) but they lost in the 4A Regional to New Pal when they were bumped up by the Success Factor.

2 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

I thought it was a dig at the success factor. Aren’t NP and Cath two 4A schools (by enrollment) playing for a 5A title?

I could be wrong though. 

Yeah.....I wasn’t sure either.  But, yes, both are 4A by enrollment playing up (along with Dwenger....also Columbus East is playing up 2 classes....well, only one now since they are currently 5A by size).

1 hour ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Hand them both trophies and remove the 4A state finals. Only semistate in 4A this year. #TheNewIHSAA

Errrr.....5A?

1 minute ago, gonzoron said:

I wasn't gonna post that crappy version. It's a Shel Siverstein song. He wrote A LOT of Dr. Hook's songs. Including Sylvia's Mother.

Well, it’s not like “Dave & Sugar’s” version is high art.....

17 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Queen of the Silver Dollar? At sunset?

 

You mean to tell me that that isn’t a “Dave and Sugar” song?  I learn something every day.

Back to the subject at hand, wonder if CJB throws in some “Bit o’ Honey” if you buy an end zone camera?

2 hours ago, Tanka Jahari said:

Your profile is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Right?

Classic! 

18 minutes ago, MuleDriver said:

Really wanted to see south make a better game of this, struggled at qb all year. I dont see south making it out of their sectional . I needed to see more from them last night I didn't expect a w but wanted to see a respectable 14-21 point or better . . . . . . 42-7 . Granted we know chatard is numero uno in 3 a . Anyways good luck to chatard

I don’t know if you were there but I saw a lot of good things with South last night.  Chatard is a very opportunistic team.  They tend to score on breakdowns of the other team (if that makes any sense).  I think they are, at core, a lot better team than that final score might seem to indicate.  I wish them well going forward.

As to No. 1 in 3A, I think there are 4-5 teams that win on any given day in 3A.  It’s been a solid class for the last 3 years or so with at least 3-4 teams that would give the best teams trouble whatever their class.

Chatard has had some atypical big fails in playoffs the last few years with some really good teams....not necessarily saying Championship teams but really close to that.  Certainly they have been far better teams than what they demonstrated in the playoff games they lost these last 3-4 years.  We’ll see if they can get back on playoff track starting next week against highly ranked Brebeuf.

My understanding is that a Pekin left 30 minutes after Friday nights final game and has hired Indiana Jones, 100 pack mules and several guides for the trip.

Even then, they may never be seen again.

17 hours ago, Bobref said:

Like a lot of people, you use the term “recruiting” like it’s a bad thing. Check the IHSAA bylaws. They don’t say anything about recruiting. They talk only about “undue influence.”

Might be time for a primer on that again, Bob.  My guess is that the word “recruiting” is used so flippantly (and I have done it as well) that the distinction is lost on many members....if not most.   Lots of folks just flow through here with their sons and aren’t even aware before they are gone.  

TA quite often used to emphasize that distinction and remind us.

After learning that one of the most senior members here last week wasn’t aware that EVERY Indiana school now has open enrollment, it struck me that Its mistaken to make even the most basic assumptions regarding what facts people might be knowledgeable of when it comes to discussions here.

If it’s not obvious, being knowledgeable has certainly never swayed me from opening my beer hole...

Chatard over Bloomington South 42-7.  I honestly thought BS displayed good individual fundamentals (great hard hitting tacklers!), had good size and a big roster (about 85).  Chatard had some big plays but it’s not as if Chatard just ground BS down.  I can absolutely see BS in the 5A Semistate vs. Cathedral or New Pal if they can get past North.

Brebeuf over Terre Haute North 28-14.  Game was tied at the end of the 3rd Quarter 14-14.  Not sure what that is about.  I’d have thought BJ was 30 points better.

Final results of the cross conference games was the CCC won 7 games of the 9 with the only 2 losses coming from Roncalli.

Also, congrats to Bloomington North in winning the CI Conference in the overtime win vs. Southport.

On a side note, WTH happened to Guerin at Roncalli?  Was Guerin (and Brebeuf) resting guys in lieu of the upcoming Sectional 28 meatgrinder?  

Also, I think Roncalli, despite the rocky season, takes home a Sectional Championship in a few weeks.....maybe even a Regional.

20 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

Of the teams you have listed, I found your new Conference Indiana. They're in bold.

Just can’t see Roncalli leaving the CCC at this point (if that is what you are saying).

Add that I am hard pressed to imagine Martinsville agreeing to be in a conference with a P/P.

59 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Wasn't size Castle's MO back in the day?

That’s always been my calling card.....

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I turned 40 last Friday while in Kokomo

 

oh that silly Foosball game got in the way 

You’re just a baby yet coach.  Stay away from those places.  They’ll stunt your growth.

I don’t know how many times I have to state the obvious but, folks, WE CAN’T EVEN AGREE TO SEED THE TOP 2 TEAMS IN SECTIONALS.

Now we are actually having a conversation about enumerating every single team 1 through 320?

And why exactly are we doing it?  

So we’ll get to see one of the worst 64 teams in the State trundle off with a State ring?

There is nothing about the proposed system that promotes excellence.  

1 hour ago, TIFootball said:

Keep in mind - as Ive stated, this is first look and the fomula would need to be improved to catch some outliers... However, They wouldn't according to Saragin and the cut off of each tourney. Heck, New Pal is one of the top teams in the state and would play in the "6a" tourney. Matter of fact, Dwenger, New Pal, and Cathedral would all be in the top tournament. Brownstown would be playing in the "4a" tournament.

Chatard is 8th in Sagarin and 4th in CalPreps.  They would be in 6A.  Brebeuf and West Lafayette would be in 6A.  East Central, East Noble and Delta would be in 6A.

Lewis Cass and Pioneer would be in 5A playing the likes of Columbus East and Penn.

Current 5A Munster would be playing 1A Spring Valley per Sagarin for the 1A championship.  

No more excellence like we have witnessed in 1A like the Pioneer, LCC, Sheridan years.

Yeah......sign me up!

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Kokomo fans don't tend to travel far from their home tavern.  Just saying........................

 

If I lived in Kokomo within stumbling distance of the Hugger I probably wouldn’t ever leave town.

11 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

A school with 369 people isn't to be expected to compete with schools that have 10x their enrollement.

The goal of high school sports nationwide is to crown champions based on like-size enrollement, not field a tournament that crowns a champion among the 64 worst teams in the state. What is so hard to understand about that?

The IHSAA would open themselves up to endless amounts of lawsuits if they orchestrated a tournament in such fashion. Penn playing a team like South Adams is a disaster waiting to happen from an injury perspective. 

Aside from the various impracticalities you have pointed out, I have always maintained it is impossible due to the “seeding” element required.

We have dinosaurs here that won’t even agree that seeding the Top 2 teams in a Sectional is a good or possible idea.........or even a fair idea.  

Just how does anyone think they are going to get those troglodytes to sign on to seeding teams numbered 1-320.

I will sooner be able to flap my arms and fly before people agree to seed every single team in order.

30 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I can confirm not all schedules are set yet.

Why did BHSS only have one crossover game?

Dunno.  I didn’t realize they only had one game until I was looking at the entire series last night.  That said, Guerin had only one crossover game.  Chatard and a Roncalli had 3 each and Brebeuf 2.

2 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

And you are assuming an all-in tournament format.  That would mostly likely have to change as well, as discussed in a number of current threads on this forum.

I have always been a pro-seeding, pro-“all-in” guy.  Though I certainly wouldn’t die fighting on the “all-in” hill.

Well......to be honest, I’m only prepared to die on the LOS State Championship pizza buffet hill.

Promotion and Relegation LOS Tournament (if current Sagarin rankings held up)

6A - Avon defeats Brownsburg

5A - Mooresville defeats New Prairie

4A - Terre Haute South defeats Eastbrook

3A - Evansville Reitz defeats LCC

2A - Edgewood defeats Providence

1A - Springs Valley defeats Munster

Also per some of the comments regarding teams above: Cathedral, New Pal, Chatard, West Lafayette, Brebeuf and East Central (not mentioned above but I noticed this result) would all be in the 6A tournament.

58 minutes ago, bigfish said:

Sounds about right to me.  Are the CCC vs. CI schedules set for next year yet?

Dunno.  If I run into Mike Ford I will ask him.

In light of these two conferences being discussed elsewhere - I revived this thread.

Going into the final week of the regular season the CCC/CI cross conference games stand at 5 wins for the CCC and 2 wins for the CI.  Both of the CCC wins are against Roncalli (wins by Columbus North and Southport).  Chatard (2-0), Brebeuf (1-0)and Guerin (1-0) are undefeated vs.CI teams.

The final cross conference games this weekend are:

Bloomington South v. Chatard (at Chatard) - this will be South’s only game this year vs. the CCC 

Terre Haute North v. Brebeuf (at Brebeuf)

I’m going to favor both the CCC teams putting the final cross conference results at 7-2 favoring the CCC.

Any other predictions/thoughts?  

Haven’t seen much from Muledriver this Fall - who is a long-time follower of the CI.

17 minutes ago, DT said:

Good points.  Many have asked when/if CI and CCC will merge.  

Perhaps the potential threat of the Laf and Kok schools approaching CI about expansion might push the CCC to seek the merger.

CI reminds me a little of the Big 12.  Always unstable.  Always concerned about defections.  Always marginalized by other big conferences.  I would think that CI might seek long term stability by expanding to these new markets.  It would certainly be a blow to the CCC schools in terms of scheduling.  

I am a fan of dual public/private conferences.  The SAC/NIC/SIAC are the best examples.  No doubt a CI/CC merged league would be very solid.  

 

Aside from the obvious reality that Heritage Christian and Covenant Christian are in the CCC and such a merger would leave them out in the cold, a CCC/CI merger would force a 9 game conference season.  

I think a 9 game conference season is problematic.  I can’t imagine a Chatard season without a Cathedral game just as CN people can’t imagine not playing CE.  

I admit, it appeals to me personally but right now the CCC and the CI have the best of both worlds.  The irony is that Chatard, this year, plays as many games against CI teams as against CCC teams.

Insofar as football, what is the problem with the CI/CCC cross-conference games being played now?

The current scenario offers much more proximate schools.  From a competitive perspective, the CCC schools offer tougher competition overall  in football than what you are proposing (even though they are only 3A and 4A schools) - raising the bar for the CI.  

Competitively what you propose is a lateral move at best as regards competition.   If the current CI schools are going to be competitive with Central Indiana schools (which is what they must face as they move forward in playoffs) why downgrade their regular season competition (and double their travel times)?

Add that they aren’t locked entirely into a 9 game regular season conference schedule.