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    New Sectional Assignments

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    10 hours ago, PDB26 said:

    Yeah, given some experience with Indiana High School Hockey, my gut is to look toward the association's board and the boards from each team more than the coaches. 

    Yeah.  I’m hard pressed to really disagree with you on that. The boards I’ve been a part of have generally done a pretty good job….although they can clearly be abused (and abusive). I’ve seen a lot more flaky coaches than boards as regards club sports.

    New Sectional Assignments

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    15 hours ago, tango said:

    I have definitely seen our program moving in this direction. It looks much less like a travel team than it did 10 years ago. I guess one drawback of being an IHSAA sport is no Sunday participation. Do some places have LAX (about all I know of the sport 🙂) games on Sunday? 

    To my knowledge there have been no Indiana HS LAX games on Sundays…at least in Central Indiana.  Additionally, there is a real dearth of officials that drives what days of the week LAX is often played since these same officials are sometimes literally covering Youth all the way up to College LAX. There’s a lot of Youth and College LAX played on weekends which pushes HS games to be played M-F if possible.

    New Sectional Assignments

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by Lysander

    4 hours ago, tango said:

    Different than what I've heard our coaches say too. They want to be fully recognized by the IHSAA.  

    ….and have been hoping for it for almost 20 years.  I absolutely can’t imagine them not wanting IHSAA recognition.  I really find it doubtful that those involved in Indiana HS Lacrosse “took a pass” on IHSAA recognition.

    There are many reasons but one I’m aware of is that it likely changes the whole dynamic for the sport at a lot of public schools where they are (or were) paying small fortunes for field use…or being prohibited entirely from usage.  Let alone opening up opportunities at some schools to earn a letter.

    it also likely changes the whole funding situation as well v. the normally high parental financial cost associated with a sport like lacrosse.

    In many of those cases, coaches are likely subject directly to the whims of the parents who directly fund via the club.  If it’s an IHSAA sport, I’m assuming the coach is now solely subject to the school administration.

     

     

    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by Lysander

    On 12/14/2023 at 12:04 PM, Titan32 said:

    Anime kids are quite the rage now....it's like the new Emo...only with more cleavage.

    As simultaneously a hillbilly red-neck troglodyte who somehow stumbled his way through college and some IU school having something or other to do regarding legal interactions…..and a Gawdamn red-blooded American male (the worst person in the world per today’s DEI Commissars apparently),  cleavage has always been a bit….errr….one could say…...inspirational to me personally….not so much the Emo stuff, though….unless those Emo chicks are MASSIVELY endowed.   

    Just how cancelled am I at this point? 

    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    Actually, while in college, one of my best buddies (a looong-time physician these days in Brownsburg…I’ll keep his name anonymous) used to play for us his cassette tapes (cutting edge technology at the time) of he and one of his best HS friends announcing the “Olympic Belch-Offs”.  This friend was some dude known today as Mark Patrick…..for those of us who remember. 

    Arguably the funniest and grossest thing I’ve heard before or since.  I think the “long jump belch” lasted every bit of 45 seconds.  God forbid, the musical “flutter belch”.  Let alone the “poetry reading belch”. 

    True talent is seldom recognized in its time.

    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    On 12/4/2023 at 11:49 AM, oldtimeqb said:

    *** me quickly Googling "manga" ***

    I guess I have lived a sheltered life, despite my public school upbringing. 

    Hey…I knew what “manga” was although the kids and I some years back were much more into “anime”….especially the “mecha” and “cyberpunk” stuff.  “Ghost in the Shell” (anime version) is simply incredible….arguably one of the top 10 Sci-Fi films over the last 50 years.

    But hey, time for me to get back to my Gene Tracy and Redd Foxx 8 track tapes…right after I install that new carburetor on the Buick.

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    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by Lysander

    8 hours ago, Irishman said:

    But do non public schools have special needs students? It isn't only about kids with other interests. It's about the kids who are not able to participate because of various disabilities. There is also the population that is interested in nothing. Our building in particular has over 200 ELL kids, and more than 12% of our students are non diploma track kids. Yet we are in 4A.........implying that just based on numbers, we are identical to Bishop Dwenger. Want to know what the numbers above look like in their building? About 1% and all of their kids are diploma track kids. Others? and the ELL kids that Catholic Charities helped bring here as refugees? Non existent. 

    You’ve always pointed out that there are special needs kids who simply aren’t going to participate in varsity level sports via some form of handicap (physical or otherwise….though I can actually recall a quite good one armed kicker for Batesville back in my day), severe learning disability, etc. (I admit questioning whether ELL might be somehow considered disqualifying).  I’ve always been in favor of not counting them towards student population as regards IHSAA class designations.  Is there some reason it is impractical or illegal to do so? That strikes me as a, frankly, uncontroversial (and sensible) change the IHSAA could institute tomorrow.  In a certain sense, it acts as a “negative multiplier” for Publics based on a very precise calculation.  

    I realize it’s not a multiplier or automatic bump that some want but incorporating this into the IHSAA class determination calculation might go a heckuva long way towards making a reasonable adjustment EVERYBODY can get behind.

    What am I missing here?

    You’ve pointed this out for years.  It seems totally reasonable and sensible (at least, I’ve always thought so) but just why hasn’t it gotten any traction?

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    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    3 hours ago, foxbat said:

    A couple of things to be careful of with Chatard is that the reason that they aren't still in 4A has little to do with the IDEA of SF not working and much more to do with anomalies.  As such, I'm not all that worried about Chatard in the long run having an impact on the landscape.  Realize that Chatard has been in 4A twice under SF:

    • In 2013, they ran into New Pal in its ascendancy toward a 2014 state title.  Likely half a dozen other sectionals and they would have gotten more points.  In 2014, they dropped a post-season game to Roncalli.  The problem with the 2013-2014 SF cycle is that it required 4 POINTS to stay up.  Cathedral is the only team that I recall that was part of the inaugural SF crowd that actually remained on POINTS ... a couple of others went for SF and stayed for enrollment.  Even without running into New Pal in 2013, I think the chances of most teams garnering 4 points would be hard to see happening.  Even LCC, who headed to semi-state and dropped a 3-point game with the eventual 2A winner in 2014, RCHS, only picked up a total of 2 points on the cycle.  I would not count the 2013-2014 SF cycle as an indicator for any data points because the 4-point stay requirement was high-flawed and basically made the first SF cycle more like a beta test, at best, than anything else. 
    • In 2021, they went up again, but only stayed for a single season due to the "COVID factor" and the IHSAA sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli.  That year, LCC had 1 point in 2A and stayed up and Chatard had 0 points in 4A and dropped back down.  The two-year cycle problem was even worse as a one-year cycle.  

    In essence, I wouldn't necessarily say that Chatard not staying up in 4A is something that will require them figuring out "how to get better" or weather 4A.  The two times that they ended up in 4A were both not what I would consider regular cycles for figuring potential/trends given the stay-point flaw and the COVID anomaly treatment.

    Incidentally, I think the IHSAA is making a mistake moving from a 2-point stay requirement to a 3-point stay requirement.  Pretty much that means if you don't make it out of sectionals in any year of the cycle, you need a ring the next year to stay ... and that's getting into anomaly territory again.

     

     

    Agreed.  That sums it up for the most part.  People have forgotten that 4A New Pal AND 4A Columbus East both had teams during that period that were operating at the level of this year’s East Central team….not just for 1 year but several years.  It was almost impossible to run the 4A gamut and earn the needed 4 points to stay up during that time….let alone beat Roncalli in Sectional year after year.

    I, too, think the IHSAA went the wrong direction in raising it to 3 points from 2 points (I really would like to know their reasoning for this change).  Frankly, they should lower it to 1 point.  If you can win a Sectional in a bumped up class 50% of the time that seems pretty definitive that you can compete effectively in that class and indicative that you truly belong in that class.

    I’m pretty certain that if it had only required 1 point to stay “up” in 2013, Chatard would STILL be in 4A starting then…..and that’s with them sharing a Sectional with Roncalli (which I will contend is a bad pairing if the IHSAA really was committed to the intent of the SF).

    I think everybody here that’s paid attention knows I’ve LONG wanted to see Chatard a fixture in 4A (but with the ability to potentially move up even more via the Success Factor).  I think that an improved SF remains the way v. automatic bumps or multipliers.  If anyone remembers, I was strongly opposed to the SF back in the day and advocated an automatic bump.  I’ve had a lot of years to reconsider and have come around that the automatic bump for EVERY P/P school in EVERY sport (boys and girls) because a handful of schools have extraordinary football success simply isn’t the right or fair approach. Bump schools in the sport tge punch above class in but leave everything else alone.  The SF seems the only way to get this right.

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    3A State Championship: Bishop Chatard (14-0) vs. Heritage Hills (13-1)

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    51 minutes ago, RingLeader said:

    #1 for Chatard is a dude

    5 picks in state finals 😳

    When asked if he was impressed after game he said….he was

    🔥🔥🔥

    Kyle Guy’s younger brother.

     

    Heritage Hills was all class during the game - extending hands to help opposing players up, never showing any frustration, etc.  Impressive young men.  A credit to themselves, their parents, their coaches….and their community.

    I just can’t imagine a team this well coached, young and loaded with talent not making another trip or two to LOS over these next couple of years.

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    3A State Championship: Bishop Chatard (14-0) vs. Heritage Hills (13-1)

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    35 minutes ago, Trojan said:

    Not sure if Chatard is still this way, but they used to always decline the practice at the Dome/Can.  It always seemed like more of distraction than benefit.  That said, of course I can see the location benefit.  I'm surprised the Patriots went to such lengths for a practice, but I'm sure they will be ready today.

    Not sure either these days but L, I believe, considered it a distraction and disruptive so generally practiced at Chatard….maybe at Park Tudor once as well?

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