Footballking16

Like this one? I knew there was a reason I didn't take you seriously. Clown.

You going to pay up this time?

You need new material.

Typical and expected response from a loudmouth. How'd that All-MIC Final in BOTH sports turn out? You become a booster yet?

Speaking of said thread, found it and it is a gem. Guest (old Temptation account) did you welch on your bet? Or did you forget?

That's funny considering I remember a long thread started sometime last year about how the HCC was on the verge of supplanting the MIC and it would be wise for Center Grove and Carmel to get out of dodge as quick as they could. Now the HCC is on a bit of a down cycle? What gives?

Can't argue with 2006 WC. 2001 Ben Davis too young to remember. I believe last years Center Grove team was better than both the 2017 Ben Davis and 2018 Warren Central teams.

Both Cathedral and Chatard were significantly better than Roncalli last year. I think CC and WeBo would have given Hobart all they wanted and more in a hypothetical matchup. Roncalli has great size and depth on their offensive line (that’s never been an issue for them).

Exactly. Schools/towns/communities who put a much higher emphasis on one thing typically are more successful. It's not limited to football. There's schools with lousy football programs who have great soccer programs (Noblesville). There's schools with lousy football programs who have great basketball programs (Park Tudor). It has nothing to do with enrollment or SES factors either.

Why does it not tell the whole story? Why is a school in the same county, 10 minutes away, drawing from the same dynamic of kids consistently beating a school with twice their enrollment if coaching, culture, and hard work don't come in to play? You have to answer that first. WeBo beat three consecutive P/P's en route to their third consecutive state championship last year, and routinely beats P/P's in the state tournament year in and year out. Spare me with the rest of your BS.

As I stated above, what does that have to do with WeBo beating Lebanon 7 out of the last 10 times they've played?

WeBo has beaten Lebanon 7 out of the last 10 times they've played....

Lebanon is on 35% free and reduced lunch, WeBo on 30%. What am I missing?

So I give you an example of two schools, in the same county, located within a 10 minute drive of one another with identical SES populations and this is what you come up with? Good lord. Why does WeBo have a successful football program compared to Lebanon. Start there and instead of resorting to your same dumb argument.

What separates neighboring Lebanon and WeBo? It sure as hell isn't enrollment or SES factors.

Yep. Better coached, more disciplined team usually wins.

Agreed. We're at the point where a select few posters think the only way to run a successful program is to live in an affluent area, or have such an enrollment advantage over your competition where SES factors don't matter.

That rural, non-affluent communities can still field very good football teams. Duh.

-I believe Center Grove and Cathedral are hands down the two best teams with a considerable gap between the rest. -Ben Davis is too low. Extremely young team last year and got off to a tough start with a bunch of COVID issues. Think they are biggest threat to Center Grove. -Chatard loses a ton but that has never stopped them before. Would not be shocked to see them beat Roncalli. -Bullish on Roncalli but Rodenberg has done a great job rebuilding that team and they will have a very good offensive line. Amazing that it takes an influx in talent down on the southside to get Cathedral back on the schedule. 2023 can't come soon enough, they are due for a whoopin.

Until Cathedral gets bumped to 6A and Carmel moves back north.

Explain? What change is needed? High School football in Indiana is as advanced as its ever been. Amazing what a good showing in the state tournament during a pandemic year brings out in people. I don't get it.

Lutheran and Covenant aren’t on the same planet as Luers and LCC ten years ago. Those teams 4peated.

Are they though? LCC, Ritter, Luers aren't near what they were a decade ago. Roncalli in the last year or two has rebounded and appears headed back to the Roncalli of old, but there was a decade or so stretch where they weren't your typical Roncalli team. Think you're naive to not think P/P's were impacted by the pandemic. Not every student at a private school is a Benz drivin, son/daughter of a Fortune 500 CEO. Not by a long shot.

But to answer your question, no I would not be in favor of a multiplier. I think it's silly. There's some P/P's who have no business playing in their current classification, let alone artificially adding students to their enrollment. The success factor works and does what it is intended to do. A simple tweak in the success factor, extending the cycle from 2 years to 4 years solves the problem and naturally solves a lot of the problems you are seeking, without an unneeded multiplier.

I understand your premise, think you fail to see the unintended consequences. Moving Dwenger and Roncalli out of 4A just to replace them with Chatard and so on and so on isn't really going to shift the dynamic.