Footballking16

As I stated above, what does that have to do with WeBo beating Lebanon 7 out of the last 10 times they've played?

WeBo has beaten Lebanon 7 out of the last 10 times they've played....

Lebanon is on 35% free and reduced lunch, WeBo on 30%. What am I missing?

So I give you an example of two schools, in the same county, located within a 10 minute drive of one another with identical SES populations and this is what you come up with? Good lord. Why does WeBo have a successful football program compared to Lebanon. Start there and instead of resorting to your same dumb argument.

What separates neighboring Lebanon and WeBo? It sure as hell isn't enrollment or SES factors.

Yep. Better coached, more disciplined team usually wins.

Agreed. We're at the point where a select few posters think the only way to run a successful program is to live in an affluent area, or have such an enrollment advantage over your competition where SES factors don't matter.

That rural, non-affluent communities can still field very good football teams. Duh.

-I believe Center Grove and Cathedral are hands down the two best teams with a considerable gap between the rest. -Ben Davis is too low. Extremely young team last year and got off to a tough start with a bunch of COVID issues. Think they are biggest threat to Center Grove. -Chatard loses a ton but that has never stopped them before. Would not be shocked to see them beat Roncalli. -Bullish on Roncalli but Rodenberg has done a great job rebuilding that team and they will have a very good offensive line. Amazing that it takes an influx in talent down on the southside to get Cathedral back on the schedule. 2023 can't come soon enough, they are due for a whoopin.

Until Cathedral gets bumped to 6A and Carmel moves back north.

Explain? What change is needed? High School football in Indiana is as advanced as its ever been. Amazing what a good showing in the state tournament during a pandemic year brings out in people. I don't get it.

Lutheran and Covenant aren’t on the same planet as Luers and LCC ten years ago. Those teams 4peated.

Are they though? LCC, Ritter, Luers aren't near what they were a decade ago. Roncalli in the last year or two has rebounded and appears headed back to the Roncalli of old, but there was a decade or so stretch where they weren't your typical Roncalli team. Think you're naive to not think P/P's were impacted by the pandemic. Not every student at a private school is a Benz drivin, son/daughter of a Fortune 500 CEO. Not by a long shot.

But to answer your question, no I would not be in favor of a multiplier. I think it's silly. There's some P/P's who have no business playing in their current classification, let alone artificially adding students to their enrollment. The success factor works and does what it is intended to do. A simple tweak in the success factor, extending the cycle from 2 years to 4 years solves the problem and naturally solves a lot of the problems you are seeking, without an unneeded multiplier.

I understand your premise, think you fail to see the unintended consequences. Moving Dwenger and Roncalli out of 4A just to replace them with Chatard and so on and so on isn't really going to shift the dynamic.

So essentially instead of P/P's having a chance to win 1A-5A its now 2A-6A?

Simple. It doesn't fit a narrative.

Crazy part about the Eron Gordon ruling is that his North Central teammate (Jordan Walker who actually ended up being better) transferred to Cathedral at the exact same time with immediate eligibility. If Eron had any other last name he's probably in the clear.

I agree with everything you said, and you hit the nail on the head. It's about culture and subsequently getting everyone associated with the program on board. Without that aspect, it doesn't matter how rich or how poor your community is. That is the aspect that Temptation fails to see. There's affluent school corporations that are the best of the best in Indiana and some who aren't competitive. Coach O'Shea at North Central is another example btw.

What about schools in the upper half of 6A of enrollment with less than 50% free and reduced lunch? There's plenty. It works both ways. But to answer you question, Lafayette Jeff is the school I'd go with.

How is that schools like Miami Central and Detroit King have nationally recognized football programs? Why can't Tech, given similar SES factors? I agree, IPS has butchered its school system and Tech shouldn't have 2200+ kids in it, but there's no reason to think Tech can't have a successful athletic program given the right enviornemnt. There's little to no culture present at a school like Tech. Just like most of your takes....

Why not? I'm sure if 30 years ago you told somebody that Center Grove would one day be the pinnacle football program in the state of Indiana you would have been laughed at.

Maybe I'm selling Coach Moore, perhaps he could turn Tech into a perennial state title contender. Hell he did it with Center Grove.

Say what?

Talk about cherry picking? Those are extreme examples. No I don't think Coach Moore would walk into Tech or Gary West and turn them into perennial state title contenders. Don't think anyone has suggested that either. I do have little doubt though that someone like Coach Moore could walk into either of those school corporations, lay a foundation for success, and have either much more successful than they currently are. It's a small piece of the pie, sure. It's not indicative of a successful program though (see Lake Central, Noblesville, Munster, etc)