Footballking16

Just now, BTF said:

Really? That's it? 

What more evidence do you need when the freaking head coach is conceding the game? What on Earth were Freeman’s intentions then punting down 2 scores with 1 TO? He was conceding the game.

He had two options:

1. Go for it on 4th and 20 to try and extend the game but risk losing massive field position that could possibly make final outcome greater

2. Decide that an 11 point loss is good enough of a showing and punt the ball away effectively ending the game.

Freeman chose 2. Chicken sh*t football. How far Notre Dame fallen.

7 minutes ago, BTF said:

Lol, who's content with a loss? Give me some evidence here. 

Clearly Marcus Freeman as evident by punting the ball down two scores with 4 minutes left and only one TO.

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

An eleven point loss on the home field of the #2 team in the country and a recruiting class that's currently ranked #1 coming in next year? Yeah, what a sad state of affairs they are in right now. 

My point exactly, content with a loss. You think Alabama, Georgia, or OSU fans brag about moral victories? Playing not to get blown out is not something a single one of those programs would do.

4 hours ago, BTF said:

What was the "coward" part in your opinion. Hopefully you're not going to say passing lack of passing the ball deep. The Irish are depleted in the receiver department and struggled to pass protect for the new quarterback. Maybe that had something to do with adjusting to a new line coach? 

Defense played great and they did a good job of chewing time off they clock. They go into the game as 17 point underdogs and are leading 10-7 through three quarters.................in Columbus.  And you think Freeman is "way in over his head?" Let's revisit that comment at the end of the year and again and the end of next year. 

All we learned last night is what I've been trying to tell everyone for the last five years. There's very little separation between Ohio State and Notre Dame. What else did we learn last night? Georgia is #2, not Ohio State...............and it's not even close. The gap between Alabama, Georgia, and everyone else is huge. It's about the same as the gap between the top ten teams in 6a vs  the bottom ten teams in 6a. 

Notre Dame played more than well enough to win for 3 quarters and then those players were absolutely cheated by Freeman playing not to get blown out. QB draw on 3rd and 18 and then punting down two scores with 4 minutes left and 1 time out left? Chick sh*t football by Freeman, he was content with an 11 point loss on the resume for the end of year playoff debate. Tells you everything you need to know where ND is at as a program.

Absolute coward football by Notre Dame. Freeman 0-2 and already way in over his head.

6 minutes ago, HoosierFootball4 said:

Right

I'll let him defend his own fight from here on out, but Whiteshoes has been a terrific poster for years and brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to this board from high school football played outside Indiana.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Best advice I can give to a guy who hasn't even been here for a cup of tea. 

36 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

He has his own rating system.

@HoosierFootball4And he does a damn good job with it too. 

11 minutes ago, HoosierFootball4 said:

What ranking system are you using? I see on MaxPreps Brownsburg is #74 and highest ranked in Indiana.

He has his own rating system.

3 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

It did seem the officials allowed Penn State DB's to grab and hold a bunch....even announcers repeatedly highlighted and commented about this.  But, it wasn't the calls that did them in....a factor, but not nearly as big as decisions and execution in other facets of the game.

They did miss some holds/PI on Penn State as their DB's played physical all night, but they missed a blatant defensive holding call against Reese Taylor on PSU's second to last drive on 3rd and 10.

21 minutes ago, Gipper said:

On Brohm?  Did he commit penalties?  Make no-calls against Penn State?

 

No.

Poor tackling (fundamentals) and bonehead penalties/mistakes (discipline) is absolutely an extension of the head coach. That coupled with some pretty terrible clock management to end both halves cost Purdue dearly. That is absolutely on Brohm.

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

No one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory quite like Purdue athletics.

Last night's game was very Kevin Wilson-esque and reminiscent of his tenure in Bloomington. Brohm is a very good and aggressive player caller and I hate that he coaches at  Purdue because he's easy to root for, but he there are times where he just can't get out of his own way. 

8 hours ago, temptation said:

This one’s on Brohm…

You had three drives to end the game…and continued to throw.

If you give a team three possessions in the final 5 minutes, the likelihood of them cashing in is pretty damn high.

Obviously hindsight, but clock management burned them there but I don't know that I necessarily blame Brohm for being aggressive and trying to win the game.

Needs to be more situational awareness from AOC. Purdue had 2nd and very long and then 3rd and 30 on that second to last drive and both times AOC threw the ball down the field into coverage that resulted in incompletions. Have to know that picking up a first down there on those kind of throws are slim to none. Check down or underneath routes are there. Brohm clearly trusted AOC in those situations or he would have called design runs. 

Purdue was the better team than Penn State last night, and that's a testament to how bad Franklin is at coaching, but you're not going to beat many teams, let alone Penn State when you commit that many bonehead penalties and play so poor fundamental football (missed tackles, blown coverage, etc). That's a game I'm sure Reese Taylor is going to want to forget. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

ND also has one of the best OL in the country and the OSU front 7 is soft.  Stroud can't score from the sideline.

Gotta run the ball/control the clock old school style.

(And finish drives with TDs.)

ND needs stops early in order for them to deploy that strategy. If OSU gets up 2 scores quick, look out.

1 minute ago, BTF said:

Lol, just three years? Sorry, my mind is focused on work right now. It seems longer than that. 

I get the good record. And I do think he's a good coach. Maybe I'm being slightly unfair to him. But when I think of Day, I think of the best talent in the country losing at home to Oregon and getting blasted in the playoffs by Clemson and Alabama. 

He has one head scratching loss (Oregon).

He’s never been blown out by Clemson. They lost by 6 as Fields threw an INT in the end zone with the clock winding down.

They got blown out by Bama in the title game. Who didn’t Bama blow out that year?

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

I guess I'm still up in the air as to how good of a coach Ryan Day is.

He's 34-4?

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

He has top three talent year after year and he's yet to have a national championship to show for it.

He's been at OSU 3 whole years.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I can understand the point spread:

Ohio State blew their home opener a year ago. They don't want to make it two in a row.

The Buckeyes will play lights out not wanting Freeman's return to be with a W.

The game is at Ohio State.

Freeman is unproven as a head coach. 

Forgot to mention Ohio State has the best QB, and the best RB, and the best WR all in the country.

They're offense is a machine. 

1 hour ago, hhpatriot04 said:

2003 Chatard vs WC... thoughts? 

WC by 3 TDs.

The same Elder team who lost 45-20 to WC beat that Chatard team 17-16 the week later.

Crazy enough, that WC team lost twice that year to in-state foes.

The 06 Warren team is still the best team I’ve seen to date.

4 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I see Center Grove is ranked right by Long Beach Poly.

 

big fan of Long Beach poly lately.  They have this QB named Nico who is that dude. Elite passing prospect elite dual threat as a runner.  Larger than life personality and yet according to everyone who meets him…his character as a person is just top notch as well. 
 

i think the kid is going to be a superstar one day…I just don’t understand why he chose Tennessee of all places…especially as a Cali kid 

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/college-football/5-star-2023-cfb-recruit-reportedly-lands-8-million-nil-deal-media-fans-react/amp/
 

That’s why

6 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:

But do you think Indiana would have 4-8 teams in the Top 100 annually -- instead of 1-2 -- if Indiana played a more "progressive" or out-of-state schedule? 

If you were to start a 7/8 team conference in Indiana with the best teams and programs, don't you think they would catch up rather quickly? Thus the problem is Indiana's by-laws and scheduling, not any certain lack of nationally competitive squads.

Honestly, no. There's two dominant conferences in the state + Cathedral and most those teams already play each other annually anyway. There just isn't enough top level talent in Indiana, let alone depth level, where I could see that to be the case. 

You can go 3-4 weeks in the MIC or HCC and not face a team that has a P5 level player. These perennial teams I'm alluding too all have multiple P5 level players on top of several other legit D1 or FCFS caliber players and they play teams every week who are in the same boat.

If Center Grove or Carmel or Cathedral played a national 10 week schedule against some of these teams, I would be surprised if any of them finished above .500. It's not meant to be a knock, it just is what it is. I would guess there are Dallas/Houston/Atlanta area 6A level schools who would be considered just average or ok by their state standards that would still perennially contend for state championships in Indiana. 

1 minute ago, hhpatriot04 said:

If SOS is the only thing separating Indiana's top teams from national prestige, then that's pretty dang impressive for "a football state."

That's not what I'm necessarily implying. 

I just think it's tough to gauge where Indiana teams stand in correlation with a lot of these teams who play nationally rated teams week in and week out. I'll assure you that a team like St. Thomas Aquinas isn't playing teams of North Central, Pike, LC, LN, etc caliber, let alone 5-6 times a year. 

I have no doubt that last years Center Grove could have competed with just about any high school team in America on any given night, but I don't think there's any chance they come close to sniffing 15-0 playing a schedule comparable to St. Thomas Aquinas or Duncanville or most of any of these perennially ranked teams who play stout competition night in and night out. And that's not a knock on Center Grove or any excellent program in this state, it just goes to show you the nature of the beast you're up against playing in these football crazed states and cities. If you look at some of these conferences/leagues/district whatever you want to call them in Southern California, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Miami, etc, they are littered with teams who are all top 100.

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Spread for Saturday night up to +17.5.

What’s the largest dog the Irish have ever been?

Crazy thing is I'd feel comfortable taking this up to 21. I know OSU has question marks on defense and Irish do have a good offensive line and they will look to ground and pound and keep the clock moving, but I just don't see a scenario where OSU doesn't score almost every time the touch the ball until they call off the dogs, in the event they do. I think ND needs to score at least 21 to have a chance of keeping it within the number. 

2 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

The collectives is the big thing because I agree I don’t see it as that profitable for advertising and such…but colleges able to set up collectives so that everyone on the team is paid and not just limited player is the most important thing.

 

with collectives under NIL you don’t have to be a 5star player…you don’t even have to be a 4star player

 

you essentially just have to be good enough to make a team roster.  It’s definitely something that’s more in reach than many probably realize…and like I said…it would be an incredible leg up in life to leave college with say 50k in  the bank and an education…..and you wouldn’t even need to be a starting player on the team

 

its definitely something that could motivate a lot of kids because who knows how many have just seen sports as a waste of time because it doesn’t help them progress in their life goals

College is different than high school. There are college players who actually are marketable and actually worth more than their real scholarship value. Some, but not a lot.

As I've read it, collectives don't necessarily benefit every player, rather it's just a way of someone or a group of people associated with a university pooling together collections of money into one and then allocating it out to whomever and however they want. 

I agree it would be nice to graduate college with $50k in the bank, but as a scholarship athlete, you're already well ahead of the curve graduating with zero debt or future loans to pay off. For the majority of college athletes, most of which aren't worth more than their real scholarship value in an open market, have it as good as anyone.

But in terms of NIL at the high school level, I prefer it just stays away. It's the last leg of pure amateur athletics. 

22 minutes ago, whiteshoes said:

Agree with you on that, however, there are exceptions where this state will have an outstanding team that can compete on a national level with anyone.   For instance, the 2003 Warren Central team (the Desmond Tardy team).    I recall traveling to Ryle, Kentucky to watch them play Cincinnati Elder, the year after Elder had won the Ohio Division I title.   We sat on the Elder side and all they did prior to kickoff was rip Indiana high school football.    I tried to tell them that Warren Central was a very good team, but it fell on deaf ears.    We left the game with about three minutes left with Warren Central ahead something like 43-24.   It may not be the correct score, but I do recall that Warren Central's punter was never on the field.   You are correct that most years it would be tough to stack up against a team like IMG Academy.   But we will never know until our teams get an opportunity on the field, which I think will lead to our teams being better from the experience.

Indiana definitely has had some outliers. That 03 or 06 Warren team I think could compete and beat just about anybody. There were some very good Ben Davis teams in the 90's. And I do believe that last years Center Grove team could have beaten a lot of good teams in a one off night, just not sure how'd they fare playing the typical schedule that you see from a lot of these perennial top 25 teams. 

16 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

At work and talking sports.  Coworker mentions that he would have probably tried harder in high school if NILs were a thing.

 

which brings me to the question/discussion I want to mention.

 

Now that it’s a lot easier to get paid for athletics in college, with many colleges having a trust fund to pay everyone annually, is the level of competition going to improve?

 

so often I see all the negatives about NIL, but I think there is some good out of it in this form.  A lot of high schoolers know that the odds of going pro are very slim and some probably don’t try as hard or give up the sport to focus on academics.  Which focusing on academics is never a bad thing….but now it’s entirely possible with just hard work that a kid may get a scholarship for a sport and be able to make an income of $20,000+ while still in college….and that’s an amazing opportunity for kids who think they can’t be a pro athlete…get a free education and leave college with money in the bank or able to start a business/investment.

 

 

A 16 or 17 year old kid being able to profit $20k+ for being good at football is just bonkers to me, although that says more about the person willing to shell out $20k than the kid itself. I really don't see any real world profit an individual can make off a high school kid playing football, and NIL at the high school level in my opinion will simply just amount to high dollar boosters leveraging NIL deals as down payments for future college commitments. It's just too much of a slippery slope in my opinion.

I would support some kind of collective or fund that would allow a high school student to allocate money towards future college tuition, but just throwing thousands and sometimes millions of dollars (see the CA QB with a 7 figure NIL deal to attend TN) just seems like a terrible principle. 

4 minutes ago, Bobref said:

And I believe you’re a doomsayer who doesn’t or won’t acknowledge that the vast majority of athletes transferring schools are no problem, and shouldn’t suffer because a scenario like you’ve envisioned “might” be an unintended consequence.

You seriously don't believe in an open transfer market that the best and highest level athletes won't naturally gravitate to the best one or two area teams? I find that extremely hard to believe. It's not what the IHSAA wants nor is it conducive to high school athletics. This is why club sports and AAU exist outside of IHSAA sanctioned events. There's no need to integrate the two.