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On 6/17/2021 at 12:44 PM, BDGiant93 said:

Even though you say it in the second to last sentence, this still strikes me as why don't we just make enough trophies for every school and let them all be State Champions.

If you're a big enough program to be deemed the highest then yes..the first game you play would be for a sectional title..not every school..just the biggest..give em a few bye weeks..unfair advantage..yes..risk of injury during practice..yes..the pro could be the "mega" programs would probably travel well n the gate would make back the money of them not playing the first 2 weeks..I do not want to dilute titles...when communities experience those runs they can be gamechangers n..state champs no..maybe a sectional title(1) in their record book..I know hardware isn't the only motive yet it sure helps to see ur possible future high school do damage come tourney time..

3 hours ago, DT said:

I certainly hope the taxpayers of Fort Wayne are not waiting on Rod Woodson or any other athlete to underwrite a facilities upgrade for their own children.  It is their responsibility to fund these needs and continue to make Fort Wayne a nice place to raise a family.  

sounds so simple yet has yet to be accomplished. The tax payers may believe the status quo reigns true forever..banner program for decades yet no stadium..snider alum, athletes or not,  may be just waiting to cut the check..I know I am😉

1 hour ago, DT said:

I have great respect for Snider, one of the blue blood histroic programs in Indiana High School Football.  5 years ago I would have had them at #1.  I think we all see some program slippage at Snider, and the facilities issue is a longer term challenge.  

This is true. The past few years have seen some teams derailed due to kids being kids which usually didn't hurt as much..student athletes have to uphold the standards set before them n im sure every team goes through that. These next few years will be telling...those $200 handshakes could helps with facility upgrades if tippy n ziembo play their cards right 😁..dwenger was able to elevate their campus and maybe Snider could do the same. At one point I was told parking would be an issue..you don't build a stadium due to parking concerns??? Redo the whole setup n remodel the weight rooms again n boom..right on track..now if anyone could only get ahold of mr Woodson we'd be all set!

5 hours ago, Bobref said:

I understand the thought, but don’t agree with it. As a sports society, we have become so enamored of championships, that we tend to view anything short of that as a failure. Every year there are 6 champs — and over 300 non-champs. Championships are, in many ways, a crap shoot. Injuries, travel, weather, a lot of things can affect the ability to win a championship. I don’t think you meant it that way, but too many people have the “Ricky Bobby” mentality of “2nd place is just the first loser.” At the high school level at least, there is so much more to it than that.

Thank u and I concur

The one hundred has turned into the two hundred dollar handshake...I kid😁..5a has a few historically strong programs..north n south..Zionsville continues to grow n could be 6a eventually..although as a public 5a id put Snider up against anyone... I can see why you picked them. The  film n numbers don't lie. Valpo as well (from what I've seen) can be dangerous..the panthers are going through an upswing in talent yet as we all know it don't mean a thing if u don't have (idk the actual song) a ring..

1 hour ago, CoachRippy said:

I was curious if they have hired a new head football coach...

Yes..heard him give an interview on the radio..name escapes me at the moment.

4 hours ago, Purdue Pete said:

How do u have a second round pick in the NFL draft and not make it out of sectional?  

Tough sectional? 

10 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Cathedral has a very special senior class this coming year that could net anywhere from 5-10 D1 players. That's an exception, not the typical rule. This more likely than not will be the most talented top to bottom team Cathedral has fielded. Would be shocked if they didn't win 5A this year. Absolutely floored. But they soon be in 6A for the 22 and 23 seasons. They're set to lose some 40 seniors this year. Will be interesting to see how things shape up going forward. 

On average how much D1 talent do they usually reload with? 5 to 10 is incredible for a 4a (in theory) school..

23 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Its has happened before: 

Western in 4a always goes south

Tipton has gone South before as well 

 

Sometimes that is how the cookie crumbles 

 

When carmel got moved south🤔🤔

34 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Or the year before and the year before that? Cathedral is a very, very good program. I think all can recognize that. But they aren't invincible, not by any stretch. Last year was an historic year, even for Cathedral's standards. But last years senior class didn't net a single FBS scholarship player. Not one. 

That is what gets me..I can never tell when they have a legit juggernaut or not until they lose. If they play a top tier mic team or a high 5a low 6a team (snider) id bet against them. From the earlier post speaking of so much D1 talent id be pressed about anyone beating them in any class this year..are we due for another stretch of cathedral titles? From the link posted earlier they definitely can put up hardware spurts..no fbs scholarship players from a title cathedral team?? That ever happen b4?

4 hours ago, Dave007 said:

Well that is what the tournament success factor is designed to do!  The last 6A tournament game we played we were destroyed by Ben Davis 51-21.  I do agree our level of talent is far greater than the 2016 season and anything less than a championship next year would be major disappointment.  

The year new pal beat them was head scratching yet that is why they play the game.

17 minutes ago, DT said:

Dont feel too bad for the Irish.  They have 13 state championships and more wins than any school in state history.  

http://indianahsfootball.homestead.com/tny/IndianapolisCathedral.htm#loaded

 

I didn't expect them to lose while in 6a yet they somehow did. If I were a gambling man I'd take em vs. 99.98% of indiana 

10 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Best in the country? You're so out of touch with reality. They're a very good Indiana football program. They struggle most years beating the Cincy and Cleveland catholic schools and would get absolutely waxed by the St. Thomas Aquinas, the Bishop Gorman's, and the Mater Dei's of the world. Please have some perspective. Cathedral had a very good year last year with a very special class and should be very good once again this year. But they have 1 title since 2014 and have been soundly beaten by likewise publics the last few tournaments. 

Shocking they only have 1 title..they have constantly had to play above their enrollment..I think most just expect them to win as if it were still 5 classes n no sf.

14 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

'17 BD was supremely talented offensively. Reese Taylor was a human highlight film with an offense full of weapons. '06 Warren was good on both sides of the football. '91 BD was in that vein. They had a great mobile QB named Chris Ings and a phenomenal running back named Steve Holman. Steve was big and tough. The defense was also fantastic, and they had maybe the best kicker BD's ever had as well in Trinity Hines. 

 

Ig i was born in the sweet spot and had the honor of watching a few of these teams. If people watched film on these teams it may change their mind..the 91 BD team was amazing..the 06 Warren team was immaculate. It kind of ruins a person's perspective after you see greatness..possibly in the next few years we will have analytics to assist with the greatest team of all time discussion (someone create the poll) that will list how many linebackers ran sub 4.5 who were listed at 215 or wrs that were 6'1 that clocked 4.3 40's..athletes are supposed to always get bigger, faster, and stronger yet I fail to believe that those teams from the 80s and 70s weren't just as tough.

Img vs Indiana should be a mic school imho..the 6a favorite to go undefeated maybe..Img have lost games before and if they lost to an Indiana school it would give hoosier hysteria a different meaning.

14 hours ago, US31 said:

Currently the games are blocked out at 3.5 hour intervals (4 hour intervals this year) So it has been Noon/330pm/7pm.  So using 2019 kickoff times, you'd have to add either an 830am or a 1030pm game.  OR you bump everything back an hour and have a 930am/1pm/430pm/8pm schedule.  The 930am kickoff teams are gonna have to travel the night before.  If they are Indy metro, you are still getting kids up VERY early to meet at school, do your check/meeting, bus to LOS and be ready for a 930am kick.  And anyone who's watched a lot of State games knows that evening game usually doesn't kick off on time.

I'm not saying its impossible....just harder to do 4 games in one day.  Especially if you are the early game.

If you had two classes with Bye's....which should be doable if you had an 8 class system.  Then playing two games the weekend before could be an option.  Those classes would be a "week" ahead of the other classes (e.g. they would be playing "regional" games when the classes with more schools would be playing "sectionals")

Its all up to whether or not the IHSAA & LOS would want to do this.  And again, I'm not sold on the need for it.....but if you wanted to go beyond 6 classes, you'd need to figure this out.

I hear ya..I like expansion talk rather than contraction talk.. summer gym n 3 a days will start soon n we can get back to football soon enough!

12 hours ago, BTF said:

If Dwenger doesn't get out of sectionals, it's not because they are bad. It's because they are in the same sectional as Snider. Something's got to give. 

I agree with regard to the success rule. But I also don't have the perfect answer. I do like a four year success factor versus two. 

I think the Ihsaa could assist..I mentioned it in another thread though..the sf says 2 pts should allow u to stay up..maybe move it to 3 or 4?

12 hours ago, US31 said:

I'm not totally against "more" classes....but it will never happen unless you can figure out a way to realistically have more than 6 State Championship games at LOS on Thanksgiving Weekend....7AM game???  11pm Game??  Play on Thursday (National Holiday)??? Sunday (Colts will often play)??.

Otherwise you will need to "stagger" your tournament....and have some games the weekend before. 

Or not have games at LOS....which will be the least likely option.

I don't think the IHSAA is keen to any of the above.

Possibly 10am? More games more money..they're young n won't need caffeine yet!

4 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Yikes.... you should check the numbers then and comeback with a more pheasible breakout of adding 2 additional classes.... because the way you have it now, is no bueno:

~75 schools <400 kids 1A

~114 schools <800 kids 2A

~48 schools <1200 kids 3A

~26 schools <1600 kids 4A

~22 schools <2000 kids 5A

~13 schools <2500 kids 6A

~5 schools <3000 kids 7A

~11 schools >3000 kids 8A

Thank you. I was just giving parameters while trying to show some love and hopefully potentially infuse some programs that could use a good year...1a-4a remain the same..around the 1500-2500 mark is where we could add another..only kicking us up from 7 to 8 would be for the mega schools..maybe 16 in the top class..we had 3 classes..then 5..now 6..the potential for 7 may come around...eventually. when we went from 5 to 6 classes it had no bearing on the smaller schools but i did not know how close 1-4a classes were in enrollment. Ok I'm done ruffling feathers😏

27 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I think reasonable people can differ on whether “creating more classes would benefit our state.” Make your case.

And, how many is “more?”

The wind to this sail would be money. Narrowing the gaps in population by expanding classes could possibly create more chances for those who would never get over the hump. Get bigger, faster, and stronger will always reign supreme. I'm playing devils advocate here yet I could see in the next decade or so us expanding to 8 classes.. that 3a program that is struggling to get kids out could benefit from hardware being added to their case. Heck a community playing for a spot in the sectional title could provide the jolt they need. As far as the actual math game..not sure on what parameters would be..just for starters..

<400 kids 1a

<800 kids 2a

<1200 kids 3a

<1600 kids 4a

<2000 kids 5a

<2500 kids 6a

<3000 kids 7a

>3000 kids 8a

I haven't checked how many schools would fall into each bracket. Create more bye weeks and a few schools would automatically play for sectional titles. An example of carmel playing its first playoff game for a sectional seems to be ok with me..travel for programs could be an issue yet they'd be traveling for something worthwhile. No I don't want every kid getting ring. Yes I am worried about dwindling numbers moving forward.

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Then, I guess I do not understand the point you’re trying to make.

Creating more classes would benefit our state and who cares if other states think Indiana is too small to add more. 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

What makes you think they haven’t ... and disagree?

Same outcome as if they agreed..ig..

5 hours ago, BTF said:

It's unfortunate that Snider didn't have the two points needed to remain in 6a. But it was never meant to be. Homestead had the better team both years. Snider's down cycle pushed them down a class just in time for their up cycle. Then there's the chance that the up cycle will push them up a class for their down cycle. Still with me? There has to be a better system than this, lol. Anyway...................

Yes....not everyone yell at once..having bye weeks b4 the playoffs seem nice..largest schools first game could be for a sectional title even..the money would still be there..more titles for everyone=more community involvement..other states would only know if they look in to it..if another state has 8 classes I have yet to know how or why they break down into the 8..how many is too many?

On 5/11/2021 at 8:55 PM, Footballking16 said:

If Penn and Elkhart stay away from the DAC (not so sure they’re even considering it despite an ongoing a thread) a new conference of:

Penn

Elkhart

Warsaw

Snider

Homestead

Carroll

Dwenger??

makes a ton of sense. Would instantly become the premier big class conference in Northern Indiana.

If it were a notre dame special (football only) this could be solid n the programs mentioned all travel well..not sure how other conferences share revenue..I'm sure they'd hate to lose the gate these teams garner.

Looked bad..coaches are lucky not to catch a right hook from an upset onlooker..id gladly pull my kid from that team...I know there is a coaching shortage yet we can't allow such idiocy especially at the pee wee level..strapping kids in pads at that age used to be ok when coaches had common sense...