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14 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

One is not like the other in that list. All those guys with the exception of Shannon were afforded scholarships to major D1 programs.

Still a phenomenal list of high school players regardless. 

So to try and bring this full circle, in retrospect  should the awatrd have gone to a lineman in any of those years?

1 hour ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

Would that be due to Covid? Maybe teams not playing a full schedule or any schedule at all?

I was not around then. What happened during the COVID season?

2 hours ago, temptation said:

In no particular order…from my era (late 90s on)…

James Aldridge - Merrillville

James Banks - Ben Davis

Otis Shannon - Cathedral 

Jerimy Finch - Warren Central

Austin Robertson - Fort Wayne Wayne

Guys I thought were destined for long NFL careers who never panned out for one reason or another.

Dray Mason in this category? Great guy btw. I connected with him about 10 years ago and he was a stand up guy so humble 

1 minute ago, gonzoron said:

I'm able to edit, but only for about 5 minutes, then I have to make a new post.

2019 bro

Sagarin Ratings (Week 5)

1.  Carroll of FW (92.52) is a 4-point favorite vs. FW Snider (88.14) and has about a 57.86% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

2.  NorthWood (77.52) is a 11.5-point favorite vs. Warsaw (65.65) and has about a 70.93% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

3.  Southport (54.35) is a 13-point favorite vs. Beech Grove (40.91) and has about a 73.35% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

4.  Michigan City (64.97) is a 6-point favorite vs. Merrillville (59.46) and has about a 60.88% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

5.  Castle (74.44) is a 4.5-point favorite vs. Vincennes (69.51) and has about a 58.88% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

6.  Pioneer (48.11) is a 4.5-point favorite vs. Hamm. Central (44.03) and has about a 58.23% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

7.  East Noble (81.78) is a 2-point favorite vs. Leo (79.91) and has about a 54.06% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

8.  SB St. Joseph (68.45) is a 9-point favorite vs. New Prairie (59.86) and has about a 66.34% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

9.  Gibson Southern (58.62) is a 3.5-point favorite vs. Southridge (55.3) and has about a 56.81% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

10.  Brownstown (56.9) is a 3.5-point favorite vs. North Harrison (53.79) and has about a 56.41% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

11.  Carroll of Flora (59.92) is a 2.5-point favorite vs. Eastern of Gtwn. (57.38) and has about a 54.38% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).

Weirdly, I can't find the full archive of the 2020 Ratings. If anyone has them, please share!

1 hour ago, temptation said:

So Sagarin settles the debate huh?

2017 Ben Davis over 2018 Warren Central.

You can't directly compare year to year. The ratings aren't normalized.

I'm going to make something to compare but I need to run the math with a stats person.

I think to compare you have to do something like this: 

TeamRating1 / Year1AverageRatingofAllTeams

minus (-)

TeamRating2 / Year2AverageRatingofAllTeams

On 10/29/2019 at 12:51 PM, Bobref said:

Jeff Sagarin’s algorithmic ratings system gets talked about a lot on the GID. Does anyone know if/where we can retrieve archived Sagarin ratings from previous years?

https://predictor.gridirondigest.net/SagarinRatings/Archives/

Here is back to 1999. If you find them farther back than this, please let me know. I'll gladly digitize them. 

On 9/19/2023 at 1:03 PM, Just a dad said:

Went to the GC/Roncalli game last week. If not for the occasional big passing play from GC this game could have ended 35-7. That being said, GC also had a WR drop a wide open TD pass which would have tied the game at 21 and possibly swung the momentum to GC. If BCHS can force them to drive the ball on every possession then I don’t see GC having nearly enough offense to do it consistently for a full game. As for GC’s defense, #53 is their best player. Neutralize him and they can’t stop the run. Roncalli can’t really pass so, even with a loaded box, Roncalli ran for 300+ yards. 94 is likely right in his prediction. 

 

Chatard can do this. 

Trojans by 29 points.

Sagarin's Predictor

https://predictor.gridirondigest.net/index.php

1.  Brownsburg (100.37) is a 6.5-point favorite vs. Westfield (91.95) and has about a 61.79% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

2.  Crown Point (85.18) is a 7-point favorite vs. Valparaiso (80.41) and has about a 62.99% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

3.  Warsaw (76.45) is a 24-point favorite vs. Mish. Marian (50.51) and has about a 86.12% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

4.  New Haven (76.49) is a 11-point favorite vs. Columbia City (67.62) and has about a 69.99% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

5.  New Palestine (81.32) is a 2-point favorite vs. Greenfield (76.95) and has about a 54.23% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

6.  Heritage Hills (79.14) is a 5.5-point favorite vs. Gibson Southern (71.57) and has about a 60.23% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

7.  Batesville (69.39) is a 0.5-point favorite vs. Lawrenceburg (66.54) and has about a 51.32% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

8.  LaVille (57.3) vs. Knox (59.44) is a draw (2.16-point home-field advantage). I'll take Knox.

9.  Centerville (53.36) is a 8-point favorite vs. Northeastern (47.46) and has about a 64.99% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

10.  Fountain Cent. (38.32) is a 0.5-point favorite vs. Seeger (39.84) and has about a 51.23% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

11.  Milan (54.55) is a 0.5-point favorite vs. Eastern Hancock (56.25) and has about a 50.88% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

If you guys will allow it, I'll use the Ratings from the previous corresponding weeks to catch up to your picks. I think it will be an interesting case study to use Sagarin all season and see where the picks end up.

If you see any mistakes, please let me know so I can improve the tool!

16 minutes ago, BTF said:

Maybe they gave it to the guy blocking for him 🙂

At one point in the 00s, Southern Indiana (Bloomington, Vincennes  and Santa Claus) touted three active NFL quarterbacks concurrently (Rexman, Cutler and  Painter).

31 minutes ago, jets said:

I could probably look this up, but I'm too lazy - who won the Mr. Football award the year Cutler was a senior?? Talk about egg-on-face....future NFL QB with a long career and doesn't even win a State award?? 

I'm sure there are plenty of examples of that happening - but not at a spotlight position like QB

Any chance he had of winning it after dominating Roncalli and scrubs from Southridge was likely squandered away after an abissmal state championship game (as a QB). I think he still holds the 3A finals record for 21 or 22 tackles as a strong safety.

Rumor has it that Illinois pulled his scholarship after the state game...

2 hours ago, NumbersNvrLie said:

Dale High School and Chrisney High School

Wasn't there still a high school in St Meinrad?

On 9/18/2023 at 10:59 AM, BTF said:

Is Ian Moore disqualified as a result of being an offensive lineman?

Is Braunte Johnson disqualified since North Side isn't as good as expected? They're averaging 54 points per game since moving him from WR to QB. It's hard to overlook something like that when talking "Mr. Football," especially considering he's going to Notre Dame as a DB. Talk about a kid who can do it all. 

Then you have Indiana's top ranked player and 18th in the nation, Mylan Graham, who's a major role in New Haven's best team ever. 

Needs to play FB and pad the stats with at least five touchdowns.

Sagarin's Predictor 

Heritage Hills (79.14) is a 5.5-point favorite vs. Gibson Southern (71.57) and has about a 60.23% chance of winning (2.16-point home-field advantage).

Public, Private, Parochial? Enrollment?  Co-Ed?

Fingers crossed, this will be the first HH game I'll have attended since 2015, I believe.

On 9/14/2023 at 1:20 AM, SEAL_63 said:

Bob Clayton..truly one of the remarkable coaches in the history of Indiana High School football.  Playing in that era...there was an aura around HH football that felt untouchable.  Those late 90's early 2000 teams were the best of the best. To be able to defeat the Patriots in 2005 at the Jungle was one of the hallmarks of my playing career...and that HH team still went on to semi state in an OT loss to Chatard. 

We were untouchable. 15-0, 13-1, 13-1, 13-1, unbeaten freshman year, unbeaten in two JV years

Wishbone down your throats and a very heavy 5-2 defense that bent but rarely broke.

F Chatard. 

/glory days signing off

29 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I think everyone is a little skittish after what happened a few years back outside the stadium gates. It was pretty clear from the sound, at least to me, that they were not gunshots, but the panic is real...and in this day and age...it probably should be. No one knows at any moment what's going to happen when it comes to violence these days. Thankfully, this was a false alarm. I've also heard/seen people casting doubts on that assessment, and I heard, firsthand, on the walkie talkiies the full assessment. It was very much fireworks.

If anything, perhaps BD and other places can look at a way to quickly open emergency exits. The funneling effect was insane.

With the emergence of inexpensive Wifi locking options, a possibility would be for a designated person to have access to such a function through an app.

Are disturbing the peace or incitement charges appropriate? 

10 hours ago, TransplantedPanther said:

Nothing but a cunning clock going on here. 

Indeed, utilizing the clock like that was ingenious! 

We now have full year-end Sagarin ratings going back to the 1999 season. (for some reason the final standings from the 2020 season are not archived in Wayback Machine. So I had to get Harrell's shortened version. I'll do some more digging and if I can't find anything then go straight to the sources.)

-- https://predictor.gridirondigest.net/SagarinRatings/Archives

Any idea if his ratings were posted online prior t999? Did the Bloomington H-T ever post full standings with Mr. Harrell as editor? 

On 8/12/2023 at 12:43 PM, Rudy said:

Sagarin has them on his website back to 2009

http://indianahsfootball.homestead.com/pastfb/archives.htm#loaded

I checked the Internet Archive too but nothing was archived under his new website Sagarin.com. Maybe his old one but I can't find that address.

From 1998 to 2008, it was http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin.

Kiva  was a Bloomington based ISP.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20110927000000*/http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin)

On 11/2/2019 at 7:32 PM, BDGiant93 said:

My only quarrel with John is that he doesn't recognize forfeits. If he's the official arbiter of history and stats, I think that's a weakness. I've had debates with him on this. He believes that it's what happened on the field/floor. In the rare case of the double forfeit...he just says the game never happened. 

His work though...underappreciated and revolutionary. I have no idea how we operated before (even though we did).

I meant to comment this a while ago, but here it goes. I dealt with this when I was doing some sort of high school team sports calculations and winning percentage and win rate was needed. For the life of me, I can't recall the sport, but it must have been one with ties... maybe Team Swimming/Wrestling/Track. 

Basically, there are two ways to count ties -- either as half a win, or you just omit it (so basically as a loss, "not a win")

From Wiki (I did look hard for this): Ties have counted as a half-win and half-loss in NFL standings since 1972; before that, ties were not counted in the standings at all.

P.S. I hope all is well on the West Side after the events on Friday. It was terrifying to watch the unfiltered panic and fear.

Good luck Raiders. 

On 9/10/2023 at 6:31 PM, Titan32 said:

Southridge (3-1) at Gibson Southern (2-2)
GAME TIME: 6:30 pm CT, Jewell Field.
COACHES: Scott Buening, 99-31 in 11th year at Southridge, 111-59 in 15th year overall. Nick Hart, 117-23 in 12th year at Gibson Southern.
SAGARIN RATINGS: Gibson Southern, 64.4, 84th overall, 16th in 3A. Southridge, 61.75, 96th overall, 17th in 3A.
LAST OUTING: Southridge defeated Pike Central, 49-12. Gibson Southern lost to South Warren (Ky.), 45-28.
OPPONENTS' RECORDS: Southridge 7-9. Gibson Southern 10-5.
SERIES LAST 35 YEARS: Southridge, 20-12
LAST MEETING: Gibson Southern, 24-14, Sep. 16, 2022.
jh PREDICTION: Gibson Southern, 31-28.

Since the opening of Gibson Southern in 1974 Southridge leads the series 22-16.

Gibson Southern leads the series 9-3 over Southridge in the Coach Hart era.

10-12-2012 Southridge 35 - 21 Gibson Southern 

10-18-2013 Southridge 21 - 31 Gibson Southern  

10-17-2014 Southridge  0 - 41  Gibson Southern 

10-16-2015 Southridge 0 - 50 Gibson Southern 

10-14-2016  Southridge 35 - 38 Gibson Southern 

10-13-2017 Southridge 14 - 55 Gibson Southern 

10-12-2018 Southridge 14 - 31 Gibson Southern 

10-18-2019 Southridge  21 - 22 Gibson Southern 

09-18-2020 Southridge 48 - 28 Gibson Southern 

10-30-2020 Southridge 30 - 27 Gibson Southern

09-17-2021 Southridge 9 - 63 Gibson Southern  

09-16-2022Southridge 14 - 24 Gibson Southern

 

No love? 

Gibson Southern (58.62) is a 3.5-point favorite vs. Southridge (55.3) and has about a 56.81% chance of winning (0.25-point home-field advantage).