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That's why it's hard not to appreciate programs like East Noble and Adams Central up here in NE Indiana.

Not sure anyone here will know about Triton Central but the rest look about right to me based on what I’ve seen.

Curious why the consensus here and around the area is that this is the year the Z’s reclaim the Bell? Both teams lost a lot of senior studs from the close game last year, but on paper it seems TV returns the most. Especially returning their QB and the Omondi kid (all-state all around athlete).

Easy now: He has partnered with the PGA TOUR.

and I support as well as you know:

Fair enough. I ask because I like to debate and play the role of devil’s advocate when it comes to politics and religion. Personally, I think too many people can’t handle differing opinions about things, especially those two topics. By playing my “gimmick”, I try to get them to see another side to it while I also strive to understand their views/arguments. It may not change their opinion, or mine, but the goal is to at least get them (and myself) a better understanding of other viewpoints and to realize there are good people that believe other things than you. In summation, I call it a gimmick. You don’t. Potayto, potahto.

From my perspective: NONE

Any feedback on these? I used the most recent reference images I could find.

Inherent *dis*advantages. The multiplier would reduce their combined enrollment by 25 percent. I think that's fair given the disadvantages like coordination, transportation, logistics, management, etc.. Averaging the two schools' enrollments is too much of an advantage. This meets it in the middle.

Why? What inherent advantages would two schools co-opting have to justify such an enrollment multiplier? Well, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I would argue that if you take it upon yourself to challenge the status quo/groupthink then that makes it a role you play (i.e. a gimmick) and not your natural thoughts.

How do these look? I went off the most recent photos I could find. Please let me know if there are any differences.

I watched professional wrestling as a child, but quickly lost interest in it. No, I am not a gimmick. Somebody here needs to challenge the status quo/groupthink that tends to permeate forums such as these, or it quickly becomes stale and dies. If that makes me a contrarian then so be it. The late Tim Adams, founder of the GID, recognized this and championed it.

How did I do on the helmets? See any issues?

I've got a pole, you've got a poll, we've all got polls!

Been busy trying to get 8 man started at JCD. I may not go to another game the rest of the year after the 3 1/2 hour slog last week in Fairland. Pickle juice forever, cramps never.

Maybe someone from Tell City can explain how the agreement has worked with Cannelton in which student athletes from Cannelton have been allowed to play football at Tell City? Perhaps they all had some sort of residence exemption, but I thought it was a pretty common practice there. I'd be in favor of a 0.75 multiplier for co-op classifications. (School 1 Enrollment + School 2 Enrollment) * 0.75

In this situation or any. What is the incentive to agreeing to Co-Op with us? Even if you took South Newton and say Tri-County. 2 Struggling 1A schools enrollment and roster size. You would get an enrollment similar to Rensselaer and become 2A. and have 30 kids total if everyone played.

From their Actual IHSA website. There are 35 Teams F

@Muda69 I’ve got a question for you. As a lifelong fan of professional wrestling, I’m curious about something. Are you a gimmick? Specifically, are you a schtick whose whole purpose for being on this site is to be a contrarian and challenge the status quo/groupthink, or do you really believe the things you say on here? I’ll hang up and listen.

I am not against CO OP I am against the proposol that would create a new classification for the school accepting said CO OP students as outlined many times by me. SOuth Newton: Less than 300 students: I think around 230. We have 440 I think this year right now. If we took on lets say 5 SN Football players: That would push our enrollment as it was originally proposed to another class, up to 3A when we are closer to 1a then 3a in last year's classifications cycle. That is what I would Vehemently argue against

Only Sport I know that has allowed it is Girls Gymnastics. There have been individuals who have been granted an opportunity to join say Valpo from Rensselaer but rep Rensselaer under Valpo program and competes under Rensselaer name but thru Valpo Gymnastics program. Proposal submitted by Ryan Chiddister, Principal, Union High School. 9-6.1 Cooperative Agreements Page 42 9-6.1 Cooperative Agreements With the approval of the IHSAA Board of Directors, students from two (2) Member Schools may be combined to cooperatively sponsor interscholastic activities provided such is necessary to either have a sufficient number of students to support a program or will result in increased opportunities for students to participate. The following terms and conditions govern all high school cooperative sponsorships: a. The IHSAA Board of Directors may approve the establishment of a cooperative agreement if both Member Schools can demonstrate a need. Need includes, but is not limited to: (1.) Insufficient enrollment numbers; (2.) Insufficient staff; (3.) Absence of a program at one or both schools; and (4.) Absence of facilities. b. Member Schools may only form a cooperative agreement (co-op) for team sports. c. A Member School with an enrollment of fewer than 300 students may form a cooperative agreement. d. At the time of the application, one of the participating Member Schools shall be designated to administer the program. Students shall participate and compete only as representatives of the Member School that administers the athletic program or sponsors the team sport. e. The Member Schools must be proximate or adjacent to form a cooperative agreement. f. When a non-public school seeks to partner with a public school, the boundaries of the public school will be used to assess the contiguity necessary for a cooperative agreement with the non-public school. Non-contiguous or non-adjoining Member Schools that are isolated from a specific team sport may request approval from the IHSAA Board of Directors to form a cooperative agreement if it will increase the opportunities for students to participate.Page 7 of 35g. The cooperative agreement must be for two (2) years, running concurrently with the reclassification cycle for team sports. The cooperative agreement may be voided at any time by mutual agreement of all co-oping Member Schools with the approval of the IHSAA Board of Directors. No other cooperative agreement in the same team sport may be entered into with another Member School until the original two-year period elapses. h. A Member School may not have a cooperative agreement with one school in a particular team sport and with another school in a different team sport. i. In multi-school districts, the school board must designate the school(s) that may request permission to cooperatively sponsor programs in a particular team sport. j. If a Member School (a contiguous public school or a non-public school) wishes to co-op with a school in a multi-school district, the superintendent of that multi-school district will determine which of his/her schools will form the co-op with the non- district school. When co-oping in this manner, all team sports must be cooperatively sponsored with the same school. k. Applications for a cooperative agreement must be made jointly by the boards of education of the involved Member Schools, signed by the board president, superintendent, and principal, and submitted to the IHSAA by September 1 of a reclassification year. l. Member Schools in a cooperative agreement shall be classified and re-classified according to rule 2, including: (1.) The determination on whether the team sport(s) shall have Two (2), Three (3), or Four (4) classes under rule 2-1; (2.) The division of participating Member Schools into Classes under Rule 2-2; (3.) The enrollment figures and optional move-up elections under rule 2-3; (4.) The sport-by-sport reclassification cycle under rule 2-4; and (5.) The success factor under rule 2-5. Proposed Addition of section 9-6.1 to the Contests rule, rule 9, which outlines the conditions under which member schools can form cooperative agreements for team sports, including enrollment limits, proximity requirements, and application processes. Motion: Motion moved by Jim Brown and motion seconded by Tim Grove. Failed 8-10.

This is definitely more of a problem in metro areas ... much harder to create super teams when the two schools in the county are 30 minutes apart and some kids would have to drive nearly an hour to get to the other school.

They have very nice helmets though -- at least the ones I could find.

I think this point of accountability holds true in this era of transferring. It's just too easy to do now with open enrollment/vouchers/etc. It just seem to have gotten even bigger on the Public->Public and Private->Public transfer side. The big issue in my opinion are the adults in the situation. Coaches do what they have to do to try and build their programs whether I agree with that or not, its what they need to do to compete. Its the outside voices/trainers/advisors who get in the mix that I don't like.