vicvinegar

I do not know the rules for Illinois, but I've been told that you generally have to win 5 or 6 games. So assuming that is true, UNDER ALL of them, that is not true.

I could careless if the sectionals were seeded, but because of what footballtalking said is why I don't support it. Why do you want to take another week of football away from kids? Especially in 5A and 6A? So that way only 16 teams make it per class? That sounds real fun! So since you want to use a sectional 32 team, I'll do the same. In 2010 Bosse only won 2 games during the regular season. Because they were a terrible team? No, because they play in a conference with 4A, 5A and private schools. Yet, they won their sectional, beating Memorial who had been to the State Championship the two previous seasons. So let's say we do a qualification system. If you're a team in a tougher conference or a smaller school in a conference with larger schools, are you leaving now? Why the world would you schedule a tough opponent in non-conference? No need for Brownsburg to schedule Ben Davis. What about a team with injuries? Especially one that may get that player back? So if you use a system similar to Illinois, I don't believe Center Grove is getting in this year. Tough luck I guess! In the end though, it boils down to why should you take a game away from kids, Mr. Scrooge?

North by a TD MD by 2 scores Castle It gets ugly It should be a good one.... I guess I go with Memorial.

I think this is closer to on track as to why more kids don't play at some of these larger schools. Especially larger schools that may have some kids from poorer areas. Kids may choose to focus on one sport. With that many kids at one school, they may feel like they have to. Some kids may have to work after school to help support their family. While coaching at a inner-city school, I've had multiple students tell me that they had to watch their younger siblings after school. Some simply don't have the grades. Perhaps the program has been down and they do not want to come out and be a "loser". I don't doubt that their are some students that don't play because they do not want to ride the bench. I do doubt that there are a lot of GREAT athletes not coming out for that reason. Bottom line, there are a LOT of different reasons why kids do not come out for football.

Since I haven't seen his name on here, I'll say it. Mike Goebel! He has success year after year. He coaches a 2A team in a conference comprised of mainly 4A & 5A schools. In 21 years he has had one losing season. He has a state championship, multiple semi-state, regional and sectional championships. As much success as he has had as a football coach, his career record as a wrestling coach is even more impressive! I copied and pasted those stats below. As a wrestling coach, Goebel has set a precedent unlike any coach in the state of Indiana, and his teams head to head match record of 533-14-2 is the national record for winning percentage. Goebel has an elusive 29 City Championships, 29 Sectional Titles, 29 Regional Titles, 22 Semi-State Titles, and 12 State Titles with 1 runner-up. Coach Goebel’s run of 29 straight regionals is a state record, and his 12 state titles is the state record. The man just knows how to coach!

Well thanks! It's just for some strange reason always bugged me on how a program could struggle so much. Other than coaching there a time or two, I don't know these areas that great. Washington has had it's own struggles over that same period, but they have at least had a few winning seasons. I just never understood why Pike Central couldn't at least be similar. Thanks for the feedback!

For all of you guys that have been involved/ following the PAC for years, I'm curious to see why you think Pike Central has struggled so badly? Talent? Culture? Coach Roach was able to have success on the hardwood, so I find it hard to believe it is just because of talent. Over the last 25 years they have only had one season where they won 4 games. I'm curious to hear the thoughts of people that have been around the conference.

North 35-14 Reitz 21-13 Mater Dei 24-21 Castle 42-7