Yuccaguy

Welp.  19 is exactly what I thought...  a BEAST of a draw. 

1A North is down...

Fairly nice match-ups so far. Ping pong balls have allowed some scattering of games.

Great Dwenger catch to set up the 1st points of the game...🫣

In a major change...Mishawaka will be installing Field Turf for the 24 season and beyond.

I absolutely HATE being the "Uniform Policeman"...   But every week when I see crews allowing untucked jerseys, and no regard for covered knees (prior to the action), its' a disgraceful situation...IMO. 

I don't get bent out of shape about BIG guys on the LOS...  Who knows what sizes the schools orders for the average sized kid at this time of their life?  

Tinted Face Shields... Excessive eye black (we play at night mostly....ugh).  The allowance of the rib protector to be sticking out, is stupid.  I have read of situations where a kid has fallen on that and gotten a laceration of an internal organ.  It may seem fashionable to some, but it is extremally dangerous to have it not covered by the jersey completely.  

Allowing the play card to be on the waist, and NOT reminding that it is to be located on the forearm(s).   

As I alluded to with the beginning of MY rant...  It would be great if crews (officials) just tried to conform to the UNIFORMITY of what a UNFORM should be at this level of sport. 

I'll just wait for the next 2 weeks to come, and the BITCHING of assignments/evaluations will start all over again within our fraternity, and I'll (wash/rinse and) repeat the things that I say each and every year to them regarding the SIMPLEST of things that could allow them to advance.....far beyond being the UNIFORM POLICE.  

3 hours ago, psaboy said:

So is Luers finish with one lose and Snider has one loss, they share the bell and league championship. 

Technically correct, I believe.  

But (after listening to 1380).  There seems to be some sort of other parameters that they are using to further 'define' who actually gets the Bell.

You would have thought that the SAC could have come up with a better calculation than just 'wins'.   Without a cross-over game that involves the teams at the top.  Why not just take a POLL and name a winner?   Kinda like the AP/Coaches of the NCAA prior to a National Championship series.  

7 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

In the beginning of the Cathedral/LaSalle game, last night, I kept looking for the play clock.  I should know better after all the trips to Ohio that there ain't no clocks on the field.

Ya sure you didn't "time travel" back to Jimtown a few years ago?  

The legacy of the great Bill Sharpe!  

6 hours ago, gindie said:

I live in Ohio, originally from Indiana.  The only game I've seen in OH in the past several years was Penn at Cincinnati St. Xavier and I can't remember if they had the 40-second clock.  But, I do know (from that game) that their mercy rule is such that they go back to regular timing if the score difference goes back under the threshold.  Also, I remember in a Ben Davis at Cincinnati Elder game from many years ago that they put the ball on the 20 for overtime.

Mercy Rule also is by State adoption.   Sorry about that. 

OT thing was incorrect.   NFHS standard 

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

How bout this gem

Team A Kicks ball off in what is known as the classic KICKOFF, ball heads to the sidelines, heading to the pylon, TEAM B player runs towards the ball watching, TEAM B player ends up out of bounds, the ball is bouncing and the player reaches back in the field of play and grabs the ball while being completely out of bounds, at the 3 yards line.  

Where is the ball spotted ? 

(P.S. I knew this, but been a bit since I've seen it, and yes the crew got it right).  

@Yuccaguyand @Bobref are barred 

No comment...But this ain't the NFL..  

1 minute ago, cloudofdust said:

This is as clear cut of an answer as it gets. Sorry Yucca… Bob wins this match. 

The ball was recovered opposite of Team B sideline. Those players had no real effect on the result of the play. 

Bob is MY Mentor.  I've learned more from him, and employed things in my FB career that you can never comprehend.   

I just try to be a conduit until he arrives and gives a better view of situations ....  He can ALWAYS give me guidance! 

I'm not an attorney...  Hell I can barely balance my finances...    😁

Just now, cloudofdust said:

I don’t have the capacity to send any video. Purely just trying to understand what was called and why. I figured after the long conference the correct call was made. This has been helpful. Thank you. 

Thank you.  At this point.  Though I believe my understanding of THIS sport is great.

I am can learn much more from those whom I have "been there-done that".  

If you could reach out to the administration and have them send the IFOA a video of the play, it would be wonderful.

On behalf of ALL Officials...  We are NOT PERFECT.    

These scenarios help us 'learn' and become better on Friday nights (and beyond) .....

1 minute ago, cloudofdust said:

Nope, you’re doing great. It’s truly an odd ending that is hard to describe. We are getting somewhere. Just trying to figure out what actually happened. No one really knows from my point of view. 
The ball was recovered by the kicking team advanced a few yards before being tackled. Line to gain was goal line but here’s the kicker. It was just 3rd and goal. Does that make any difference. 

Could, but with time having expired without a penalty that would 'extend' the period....  It still is a situation that ends the contest.

Had there been yardage attached, to the situation (with the picking up of the flag...there was not) .  You could not have a situation that would extend the period with an untimed down.  

May I suggest that YOU forward this to the IFOA for a training video?   

11 minutes ago, cloudofdust said:

Never said it went forward to the 20 yard line. If we could kick a FG that rolls forward to the 20 after being blocked I’m certain this question would not be asked. That would be about a 40 yard attempt. I said it settles around the 20 yard line and Team A recovers as time expires. The ball was blocked backwards from the 5 to the 20, never crossing the LOS. During the play, immediately after the block and during recovery Team B’s sideline empties. 
Never mentioned illegal participation either. I’m purely asking what the call would be. A flag was thrown, a long conference occurred and the game was over. No signal was given. 

Sorry about the "assumption" then...  And you know what ASS-U-MING means

The flag should have been a sideline warning... But the game should have been ended by the ball settling because of the block behind the LOS.  

Had Team A advanced the ball (prior to the 'settling' of the ball behind) to the line-to-gain... then we'd have had a conundrum to figure out with Team B being on the field of play.  

In this case...as you have given more info.  The contest is done.   

B would/could be assessed a sideline warning (at best).  But at no time could A then possess the ball because they did not make the Line to Gain with the free kick of the ball.  

I'm sorry if this doesn't satisfy what you are wanting in the adjudication of the play.....

On 9/25/2023 at 6:05 PM, Bobref said:

🤣😂😅

Seriously, Coach Curtis has clearly mellowed. Can’t tell anything from the video. This happened at 8:25 of the 4th period. If either of the coaching staffs would share the Hudl video with the IFOA like they are supposed to, I could look at it and see if there’s anything there. Regardless, there should have been a measurement, if only for “public relations” purposes.

Ya know ME...  That's a measurement ON grass!   

I ain't gonna have the "Original Caveman" all over MY ass on a 4th down and short!   

4 minutes ago, Rocket said:

If the ball goes off a receiving players hands and in the end zone on a kickoff is it still a touchback?

Yes, it is.  The ORIGINAL "force" is the kick itself.    TOUCHBACK!   

1 minute ago, cloudofdust said:

LOS was 5 yard line. Ball blocked backward to around. 20 yard line. Team A recovers. Flag thrown for Team B entering field of play during live play. 

So it DID NOT go forward to the 20 yard line as you originally said you never said it went backwards? 

"Team B blocks field goal. Ball settles around Team B 20 yard line as time expires."

Dead Ball, game over.  Because you said it settled.  I'm trying to figure out how AFTER the time expired, that you could want an 'untimed down'?   It is a sideline warning at best....   Not illegal participation.  

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Maybe East Noble can garner a vote in the next poll?

East Noble vs New Haven might the game of the week up north this Friday. 

Sectional #19 is no JOKE!   Things have tightened a lot with EN getting that PHISICALITY back in play.  

And yes, New Haven needs to bulk up next week vs. EN.  

The "blind draw" in this Sectional will have an impactful effect on what happens.   

1 minute ago, cloudofdust said:

Team A lines up to kick a FG to win the game. Team B blocks field goal. Ball settles around Team B 20 yard line as time expires.  Team A recovers. During the recovery Team B sideline empties onto the field in celebration because they don’t realize the play is still live. 
What’s the call?

Did Team B ever "touch" the ball past the Line of scrimmage (20 yard line) in this situation?  

Think of the Leon Lett play.  This seems to be an EXCELLENT example of what you are espousing in order to want Team A to again possess the ball..  

https://youtu.be/0rNQ4puNN5Q?si=v7xx5_OZUMkFcTJU

On 9/27/2023 at 9:30 AM, Komets2727 said:

Northrop and South will never be competitive again in the SAC, you can take that to the bank.

If and ONLY "IF" the athletes that are roaming the stands on Friday nights can be lured to the gridiron rather than TRACK/Basketball ....  They can be.  It's sad to know the talent that is in the stands every week that is not being 'tapped'.  

21 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Been watching how Snider operates for years in games like this… lol

Northrop, didn't do themselves any favors with STUPID penalties and actions.   That helped out a lot....trust me 

8 minutes ago, TheTrain said:

Can a defensive player trip a ball carrier with his feet to make a tackle in Indiana High School football? Flags were thrown but picked up and no penalty was called.

PROHIBITION ON TRIPPING THE RUNNER [2-45, 9-4-3o (NEW), 9-4-3o PENALTY (NEW)]
Rationale: In an effort to decrease risk, tripping the runner is now prohibited. It is now a foul to intentionally use the lower leg or foot to obstruct a runner below the knees.

My largest concern is BEYOND the Sectional Finals.

I would like to have 7 man crews from that point forward.  

The IHSAA in every other sport, adds additional officials for the playoffs, yet when it comes to FB. "Crickets " and opposition to the situation.  Then why at the Finals, do you implement a 6th official for FG/PAT?

Adding 2 officials is a great way to help younger officials stay engaged!  I know of at least 6 that I'd jump at the opportunity to employ with my crew.

This HAS to be taken up by the IFCA... at this point ....Meridian Street will NEVER budge!

On 9/26/2023 at 4:07 PM, Bobref said:

Helping the runner is actually a Point of Emphasis this year. Translation: “It’s happening and it’s not being called. Call it!”

Another reason is the difference in rules at the different levels. NFHS Rules simply provide “An offensive player shall not push, pull or lift the runner to assist his ­forward progress.” So, yes, you can push the pile. But you can’t push the runner.

In the past few years I have called this NUMEROUS times.  

Please understand that Saturday (Collegiate) and Sunday (Professional) Football is NOT what we adjudicate! 

Tuck in your shirts!  (no under shirts exposed...FAT guys on the lines get an exception (😄) ... Cover the knees, NO tinted shields, Play calling sheets on the waists, Sleeves that have excessive "gripping adhesion",  No electronic Boards to relay in plays , NO electronics to communicate with on field players....(Uniform Police).

Get with the program officials.  Just stop it BEFORE it happens!  Because if they see this crew, we WILL end it!  In PRE-GAME.....

I will ALWAYS provide the needed funding to keep Tim's dream alive and growing! 

I may not always be the one in agreement with the "crowd", but I will ALWAYS support the GID however, or with whatever I can....going on 15+ years!   

13 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Great for Indiana teams to go and get wins wins against top regional teams.

How were the matchups? Any interesting differences in rules or playstyle?

I would reach out to the guys that traditionally play in MI, IL, OH and KY, and see if they use a 40 second clock.  Other than that, we ALL use the same NFHS rules.