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Which Week of the season is this? Is that known? Will it be week 2 or week 9? Maybe I missed that in there.

15 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said:

Why would you put CG with WC when Perry and Southport  are about 15 min away

Most recently they have not been in the same sectional either. IHSAA divides it up not strictly from South/North. You have to look at the overall view. I also gave another possible way to divide it up as well that had those 3 schools together. 

1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:

I would bet this:

sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, Hammond Central

Sectional 2: Chesterton, Elkhart, Penn, Portage

Sectional 3: FW Carroll, Homestead, Warsaw, Lafayette Jeff (Jeff is a tricky one to position)

Sectional 4: Noblesville, Westfield, HSE, Fishers

Sectional 5: Pike, Zionsville, Brownsburg, Avon

Sectional 6: Ben Davis, Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech

Sectional 7: Carmel, North Central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central

Sectional 8: Warren central, Franklin Central, Center Grove, Columbus North

Could also see 6A South aligned like this:

Sectional 5: Carmel, North central, LN, LC

Sectional 6: Warren, Tech, Franklin Central, Columbus North

Sectional 7: Pike, Brownsburg, Avon, Zionsville

Sectional 8: Ben Davis, Southport, Perry, CG

There was serious consideration and talks about 4 years ago or so about a new conference forming with Southport, Perry, FRanklin Central, New Pal. Those were the schools who were attempting to get something started. Not sure how serious or how far along they got. Franklin Central then joined the HCC and it pretty much ended all talks or plans of this.

8 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said:

You have to remember that Perry Meridian and Southport have the same school board. Madison's school board made the call to withdraw from the HHC. Perry Meridian's school board could order them to be in the same conference as Southport. 

Oh I 100% agree that Perry and Southport should be in the same conference. 

On 4/23/2021 at 3:06 PM, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Oh I definitely think we'll see a number of changes for 6A sectionals. This is what I believe will happen:

Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, and then either Hammond Central or Valparaiso
Sectional 2: Chesterton, Elkhart, Penn, Portage (no change)
Sectional 3: FW Carroll, FW Homestead, Noblesville, Warsaw
Sectional 4: Carmel, Lafayette Jeff, Westfield, Zionsville (talk about a GAUNTLET)

Sectional 5: Fishers, HSE, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North
Sectional 6: Franklin Central, North Central, Tech, Warren Central
Sectional 7: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike
Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Perry Meridian, Southport

I would bet this:

sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, Hammond Central

Sectional 2: Chesterton, Elkhart, Penn, Portage

Sectional 3: FW Carroll, Homestead, Warsaw, Lafayette Jeff (Jeff is a tricky one to position)

Sectional 4: Noblesville, Westfield, HSE, Fishers

Sectional 5: Pike, Zionsville, Brownsburg, Avon

Sectional 6: Ben Davis, Perry Meridian, Southport, Tech

Sectional 7: Carmel, North Central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central

Sectional 8: Warren central, Franklin Central, Center Grove, Columbus North

Just now, Indiana Fan said:

This is what I believe it should be. I'd put BHSN in Mid-State though. Keep them with BHSS.

However, Decatur would never leave Mid-State. Or Perry probably either. 

Just now, DanteEstonia said:

That would be a nine-team Mid-State.

I would be fine with 9. I don't think that is too big of an issue.

9 hours ago, DanteEstonia said:

Let's go all-in on this:

Perry Meridian

Southport

Decatur Central

Arsenal Tech (yes, them too)

Chatard

Roncalli

Brebeuf 

Guerin

 

This will be the New Circle City Conference.

Columbus North and BHSS will fill the spots left by Decatur Central and Perry Meridian; BHSN will go to the HHC. 

 

#Realigned

I really hope Terre Haute builds an East Vigo HS. I've wanted this for a VERY LONG TIME. 

This is what I believe it should be. I'd put BHSN in Mid-State though. Keep them with BHSS.

2 hours ago, DT said:

The Mid State is an exceptional conference.  Great schools.  Excellent balance. Mixed demogrphics.  Perfect geography.  

Perry Meridian is the outlier for sure, but I do think it works as some of the Mid-State schools are growing. Not all but some. Geographically the conference is great. And I am someone who believes conferences should be aligned with location.

1 hour ago, DT said:

Ideal scenario would be for BS/BN/CN to join and take the conference to 10 schools.  

I think a possible new conference would have to be formed. One of my favorite conferences right now is the Mid-State. So obviously that would be one where these schools would be looking.

1 hour ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Perhaps they just want to release everything at once? Sectional groupings and class placements? Purely guessing here - but I would agree outside of where Hammond Central will be (were there any other school closings or consolidations?), everyone should pretty much know which class they will be in. The only question are those few schools at the top and bottom end of each class.

With those teams who we speculate to move up to 6A, it definitely creates a couple of different sectional alignments, For the South anyway.

54 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

I do not have legitimate information - however - based on the IHSAA statement, if everything enrollment wise is to be based off the previous enrollment report, I believe that means Zionsville and Valparaiso will move up to 6A as they were the 2 schools bumped down by Columbus East and FW Snider moving into 6A due to success factor. Hammond Central would be the only other possibility depending on how the IHSAA determines their enrollment. If Hammond Central is placed in 6A, that would bump Valparaiso back to 5A.

To me, those are the only 3 schools that can replace Columbus East and FW Snider in 6A.

Yes that would make sense to me. I forgot they were freezing enrollment from previous. Still not sure why the classes cannot be released yet. What more is there to discuss?

55 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

Because we’re apparently supposed to treat it like collegiate sports where all the best teams form power conferences. I figured the “East needs to leave the HHC” talks would end after a state title in 2013 but they didn’t. Kept hearing how we only won because Cathedral was moved up to 5A due to the success factor. So, when we beat them en route to a 5A state title back in 2017, I thought the talks would end. They didn’t. It died down a little but never went away. We’re used to it with the Columbus North crowd. They never shut up about it and never will. As for everyone else, not sure what else we need to do to prove that the HHC doesn’t hurt our ability to win state titles. 

Would I like the HHC to be better? Definitely. I do actually like the conference so I’m not mad that we’re still in it. There are other sports besides football and it’s not like we dominate the conference in every sport. Floyd Central is generally the best all-around.

That being said, I was in favor of East trying to get into the Mid-State Conference a few years back because it felt like a good fit. However, it wasn’t meant to be. Maybe we’ll have other opportunities to leave in the future and that’s fine. I just don’t think it’s necessary to leave. Everyone acts like we should be trying to get into this conference or that conference like it’s such an easy thing to do, but there are so many factors involved in a decision like that. First of all, a conference actually has to have an opening. On our side of things, travel times, cost, and conference sustainability are just some of the factors we would have to consider as to whether or not a move is feasible. 

But I go back to this question, why do we NEED to leave? Short answer: we don’t.

Mid-State would be a nice fit for sure. But still, no need to leave. I agree.

On 4/19/2021 at 11:05 PM, BigBH said:

HHC blows.....horrible football.....East should get the the hell out pronto

Why would they want to leave? They win every year. Kids are happy, parents are happy. They make long playoff runs. Have been in state finals and won state championships. What is wrong with where they are at? I would always stay if I am East.

From what I have read and heard from different sources is that in 6A Columbus East and FW Snider will be dropping down because of Success Factor. This has been made clear. The next 2 teams to fill those spots would have to be who? Hammond Central? Zionsville? Jeffersonville?

Does anybody have thoughts or info on which 2 schools will fill those voids in 6A for the upcoming season?

28 minutes ago, DT said:

Certainly seems like an odd fit.  Even the ever unstable Conference Indiana would seem like a better fit for Tech than the NCC.  

Another option would be to go independent.  That may be the best road for Tech aas they can slowly rebuild their program by playing lesser competition and ramp up the schedule as the team progresses.  

Why not the Circle City? Or Conference Indiana ? Really they should be in a conference with Southport, Perry, Decatur Central. Obviously I know Decatur and Perry are happy in the Mid State.

5 minutes ago, DT said:

Don't you think the columbus North or Law Jeff or Chesterton and Merrillville fans would love to see their kids get a shot at a ring at Lucas Oil?  Maybe you are becoming to used to it at CG

What is the difference between CG and columbus north enrollment? Maybe columbus needs to work to be able to compete. 

1 hour ago, DT said:

Take a look at the schools being pushed out of 6a with a new 24 school top class

All are outside Indy

Merrillville

Warsaw

Chesterton

Jeffersonville

Castle 

Columbus North

Northrup

Valpo

None of these schools has a realistic chance at a 6a title

They will all have new life and high hopes in 5A

I guess you might as well start naming every team that hasn't made it in a long time. Valpo was in the 5 state finals 2 years ago and was in semi state last year anyway. 

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

The school enrollment ratios are less important in 1A than the team ratios.  In 1A, there are teams with 30+ on the sideline against teams that are sometimes barely able to cobble together 11. 

It's pretty much the law of large numbers situation when we get to 6A and I would contend that a couple thousand is a decent starting number to get to similar quality levels from a random sampling of kids when looking at the top 11.  In 6A, the difference between the top 30 kids on the team is thin whereas, in 1A, the difference between the top 10 has pretty decent variance. 

Incidentally, the FBS/FCS argument doesn't really apply here.  It's kind of like comparing the finalists for the NCAA March Madness grouping vs. the NIT.  There's a selection/placement bias in place for FBS/FCS and NCAA/NIT whereas, while there can be a "selection bias" in high school football, the impact is less in 6A ball.

 

I am still a firm believer in having 6A have 32 and 1A have 32. It would help for those incredibly small 1A teams with football. Now that would be fair. Then 5A can go back to around 64 teams.

57 minutes ago, DT said:

The IHSAA has been tweaking the classes since 1973.  We went from 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 classes.  About one change per decade.  We will soon be due for the next change.  

That won't be much fun to have a class of 16 teams.

16 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

This is an interesting discussion. The issue isn't numbers to me, it's success. There is no success factor that can graduate the megas out of a class, so I would advocate some sort of "equality matrix" or something that would move down teams in classes that have enrollment but do not have football success. 

I'd do that, and I'd seed 6A 1-32. Forget the Sectional/Regional/Semi-State model.

None of this will happen though. 

I wouldn't mind seeding the north and seeding the south. 16 and 16. 

Yes enrollment can be unfair for 6A, but at some point you can't do anything about it. I mean CG competes and beats Carmel and they have half the amount of students. I feel like at a certain point it does not matter. It is never going to be truly 100% fair. Same can go for anything in life. It won't be changed and it shouldn't be changed. 

It is what it is. Other schools have got to get better. 

3 hours ago, Staxawax said:

I guess you are used to many HS stadiums with visitor's press boxes?  Only other stadium in the HCC with a vistor's box is Franklin Central.

In the MIC, only BD and Warren have visitor's boxes.....  and both because that side was the old home stand before renovations. So the boxes were already there.

That wasn’t my point. I’m just stating why it’s on my list as one of the worst. Nothing against you or the Avon Orioles. But that facility is by far the worst in the HCC. 
 

That has nothing to do with the solid football program Avon has though. Each school system is different in regards to money, size, ideas, etc.

32 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Just curious......... is a 21 year old press box old?

It is very small and old looking to me. I know the visitors stands pressbox is incredibly tiny if I remember right. I cannot imagine there is much room. Plus it is not very high off of the ground.

4 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

Brownsburg would have to be on that list for a close third I think behind Westfield and CG. I also enjoy it because there is not a track.

Noblesville in a couple years will have an outstanding new facility. I am interested to see that finished product.

Avon would fall under the Worst category for me. Saw a game there a few years back. Small stands and old pressbox. Especially for a school of that size in a conference with some really good facilities (Westfield, Brownsburg, Franklin Central, Zionsville etc.)