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You’re finally catching on.

3 public schools there chief. The six state titles in 2020-21 is only part of the story. The fact that ALL SIX were non-public schools is staggering. #culture

If you’re the best, which Marion County used to be, due in part to its enrollment advantages, then you navigate your way through the path of your surrounding schools. Its a damning stat. Stop dancing around it.

I’ll give you CC further proving my point though. ZERO public schools won state titles in Marion County in 2020-21. Point still stands. If you’d have told me that would be the case as recently as TEN years ago, I’d have called you crazy. Aggressive Covid lockdowns also played a role. But I’m sure you’ll come back in here and spout some nonsense about “culture.” Public education is dying a slow death.

Five, oops.

Take this statistic for example: Marion County: The LARGEST county in the state of Indiana in terms of population by two-fold won FOUR state championships in the calendar year 20-21... Cathedral: football and girls track Roncalli: football and softball Chatard: football Warren, Ben Davis, North Central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central, Franklin Central, Pike, Southport, Perry Meridian, Decatur Central...ZERO.

Yep, when over 80 percent of your families are worried about putting food on the table, athletics ceases to be a priority for most. It really IS that simple.

Are you really gonna make me say it AGAIN?

I’ve made my stance known and don’t need to hijack another thread.

Obviously LaLumiere throws a wrench into things, but I just went over to Rivals and counted 8 Indiana high school basketball players in the top 150.

“Might want”? No comparison.

Agree on most accounts but even you have to admit that two next level players from Brownsburg transferring TO Center Grove is pretty damning and a poor reflection upon Brownsburg regardless. I’ve gone on record as stating I think Westfield wins a 6A title by 2030. CG will not win every title for the remainder of time (neither did Warren or BD) but they will remain in the conversation and be a consistent power year in and year out. I’m not comfortable saying that about Warren, BD or even Avon. Thanks for the suggestion.

Never said they wouldn’t be “fine” just pointing out that if the current trend continues, CG will be tough to catch. Warren, Carmel and BD aren’t shrinking in size in a major way anytime soon, so yes they will be fine. Just feels like things have flipped. For the past two decades, those three have been the standard and the occasional talented CG group would sneak up on them. Now, it’s the other way around. BD, Carmel and Warren are chasing CG and it’ll take a special group to unseat them. Even you can’t deny the role that socioeconomics plays in athletics. Carmel just won the boys basketball state championship as well as track and field and Cathedral just won the girls track and field state title. You try to pretend it doesn’t matter and that I am diminishing coaching and culture but facts are facts.

Well it reaches a point of diminishing returns. CG’s 2600 students with a free and reduced lunch rate in the low 20’s is becoming comparable with Carmel’s 5200 with a free and reduced rate around 10 percent because of all of the talent they are amassing (some from out of their district which seems to be no fault of their own). Warren and Ben Davis (the only two programs with a shot at actually competing with CG, yeah I said it) on the other hand are hanging onto their enrollment as their last remaining competitive advantage. Take 2000 kids away from BD or 1500 away from Warren and you have Tech. Take 2000 kids away from Carmel and you still have...Carmel.

Yes, and back on topic the open borders that have now permeated HIGH SCHOOL football will mirror those same gaps. Could Carmel or Warren catch CG on a bad day? Sure. But it’s looking less and less likely.

No thanks. I didn’t go to IMG, I mean Cathedral. Just a poor, public school educator trying to survive.

Eh, not really. Opt outs leveled the playing field quite a bit. I’ll set the over under at 5.5 wins in 2021: Gimmes: vs Idaho, @ Western Kentucky Lean Towards a Win: vs Michigan State, @ Maryland, vs Rutgers, vs Minnesota Lean Towards a Loss: @ Iowa, vs Cincinnati, @ Purdue Certain Losses: @ Penn State, vs Ohio State, @ Michigan

You’ll never learn will you? At least it’s not Homestead this time...

I also maintain that 2020 was an anomaly and looking at the schedule, I fully expect the Hoosiers to regress beck to 5-6 wins. One season (especially with the circumstances surrounding 2020) doesn’t make or break a program. It was a cute story Hoosier fans, now back to the reality of finishing in the bottom 3 of the Big Ten East.

Not a chance.

Not sure that’s the answer. I will say however, I have been as big of a critic as anyone of the MIC fan boys... But I’m not sure how anyone outside of central Indy is going to compete at this rate if this type of “building” continues...

While I agree that Center Grove, and specifically Coach Moore, have no track record or history of wrongdoing to the best of my knowledge I feel that this is more of a reflection of today’s current society. “If you can’t beat them, join them.” Look no farther than the NBA. I wish it wasn’t this way, but it is what it is. Part of the thrill and intrigue of high school sports used to be kids representing their own backyard. Now it’s just free agency that is no different from the college or professional level in many instances.

Oh, I don’t either but the exceptions made for Notre Dame in the previous agreement give me little sympathy were that to be the case.

Heaven forbid they play in a conference championship game!!!!