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    2024-25 and 25-26 Enrollments released by IHSAA

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    2 minutes ago, JQWL said:

    I believe what he is saying is that less than 32 teams would devalue a championship. 5A and 6A have 32 currently and have a much less of a chance at shutting down a program before the season begins or not being able to finish because of injury. 1A could begin with 32 and be at 28 by the end of a two year cycle. I know a few years ago (2021?) we had at least two 1A schools shut the program down right before the season began. It's not a ridiculous thing to consider.

    Last year (2023)... Traders Point dropped to 8 man football.

    Westfield

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    6 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

    My only surprise is he’s going back as Associate HC not the Head Coach. Maybe this is a transition year for Morrel and Gilbert?

    Coach Gilbert is a great coach, Best of Luck!

    That's exactly what it is.  It says in the article that Coach Gilbert will become the Head Coach at Wabash in the Fall of 2025.

    New Conference Name

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    13 hours ago, CoachGallogly said:

    Muda you’ve been screaming for over a decade that Frankfort should leave the Sagamore, and now that they have you are complaining about that. After 20 years of listening to you I think it might actually be possible that you just like to complain, and that you dont actually care about the issues you rage against. 😜

    I almost typed this exact same thing. 

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    New Conference Name

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    9 hours ago, Muda69 said:

    Yuck.   Fighting to keep the Sagamore Conference name should have been the first choice.

     

    They LEFT the Sagamore... They made the choice.  If they would have voted to kick out the other 3 then they would have kept the name.  It's not rocket science, Muda.  

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    2024 Turf and Beyond

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    6 minutes ago, Daniel_Bragg said:

    I believe the approved bid was $1.2M.  The important thing to know when discussing Sheridan is that this will also solve an issue that has been going on for at least the past 20+ years, the soccer field not being on campus.  By adding turf, not only are drainage and upkeep issues that currently exist on the football field resolved, but now the soccer games will be played on campus, which is a win for security purposes.  Also, now the band will be able to practice somewhere that isn't the asphalt parking lot.  

    As will baseball and softball when it is wet on those fields and perhaps the youth football as well.  We utilize ours for a variety of things not just football or soccer.

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    2024 Turf and Beyond

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    2 minutes ago, Daniel_Bragg said:

    For my broadcasting sake, I pray neither.  LOL!  Endzones will look really nice though, I imagine.  I haven't seen any drawings.  Personally, I hope it's a big S at the 50, with one red endzone and one black endzone.

    LOL.  Would be brutal to play on if Black in August!  and probably tough with black jerseys.  I imagine it will be really nice when complete.  Hope yours doesn't have any delays like ours did a few years ago... Though I wouldn't mind playing week 1 at home! LOL.  

    2024 Turf and Beyond

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    3 hours ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

    And while we're on the topic... I know soccer people don't like the turf for soccer, I don't have a lot of opinion there....

    For baseball/softball it's tremendous. Keeping the batters boxes level probably being the biggest. 

    Very few rainouts, and "true" hops to fielders as well.  

    DOE Enrollments 22-23

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    24 minutes ago, foxbat said:

    It would seem that, but also realize that SF is going to a rolling cycle as opposed to aligning with the sectional re-alignment schedule, so some teams will be re-assigned to sectionals in off two-year cycles too.  The number of teams being re-assigned via SF will likely be no more than the number of 8-man teams moving to 11-man in off two-year cycles, so I don't see it being a huge issue ... especially given that there's now already [soon-to-be] precedence for dealing with a team in off two-year cycles.

    I meant more around enrolment realigning sectionals.  The SF realignment will be minimal (maybe a few teams each year).   

    DOE Enrollments 22-23

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    6 minutes ago, foxbat said:

    A team that started in 8-man last season ... first time ever having football in the history of the school ... has already announced that they are going to be playing 11-man next season.  IHSAA has traditionally had a "cushion" season or two where new programs to the 11-man ranks aren't eligible for the post-season tournament, so that might well solve the issue.  There's also the situation where you typically have to play x number of games in a season to be eligible for the post-season tourney.  I think the aforementioned team that's switching isn't going to have a full season next year and won't be in the post-season tourney.

    If the sectionals are going to align every 2 years it would make sense that 8-man teams also should play 8-man schedules for 2 years... 

    All State Teams

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    14 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

    Sometime in Mid December or 2nd week of December

    Meeting usually within first few days in December, well the IFCA meeting for Coaches IFCA ALL STATE (which I am biased but a far better representation of All State teams then AP).  

    Once its done it will roll out the following: 

    IFCA TOP 50:  You just make this list to be considered from the MR. FOOTBALL Position Awards.  Then a vote will happen to elect 1 player for each position to be "Mr. Football" for that position, QB, RB, WR, OL etc etc etc.  

    Once that is one:  They Move on to SENIOR and Underclassman CLASS ALL STATE TEAMS.   ***NOTE *****. IF YOU MAKE top 50, YOU CANNOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR INDIVIDUAL CLASS TEAM.  Example, BOWEN from Andrean last year, won LB position award, so he was NOT eligible to be on 2a All State team.  

    MR. FOOTBALL:   Once all 9 I believe positions have been elected, then any member of IFCA will get a ballot to cast their vote for Mr. Football.   I need to get studying soon, I have some thoughts but will need to see full list

    Can you pin this when the teams come out?  EVERY YEAR someone posts about it... 

    The p/p hegemony continues unabated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    1 hour ago, LuersMom5 said:

    Luers did play up for quite a while. They were 3A for years.  Luers also plays up all season long; they do not even see another 2A team until playoff time. 

    But... the thing about a small school is that one year you may have a whole stable of NFL players and the team could beat some college teams.  But...then for several (or eleven) years after that, you will get the normal, average, everyday-type-of-talented athletes.  I don't think anyone can look at the last eleven years and argue that Luers has been "too good" to be allowed to play in 2A.  

    The kids on that team this year worked hard and that is why they one.  They weren't clearly out-classing all of the other 2A teams... for crying outloud, most people I saw posting were picking N. Posey.  Even the sports journalists were pretty split on their predictions, with the N. Posey probably being given the edge... at least in the ones I saw/read. 

    So, even the "success factor" bump is potentially a little problematic.  So... you move up a team based on success-factor, and for the next couple of years, the young team that has to take over after that State Champ team graduates is outclassed and getting pummeled (and often injured because they still only actually have 2A enrollment and all the kids play both ways while their opponents from larger schools are not necessarily undergoing that stress and strain.)    I watched it happen, last time Luers got success-factored up.  The injuries jumped those seasons. Kids were getting hurt. And for what?  It isn't like we didn't understand the concept of graduation. We didn't think those seniors would be back for a fifth bite at the apple.  If they had, then "success factor" definitely should apply.  But everyone knew (or could have known) that the whole starting line-up was graduating.  We couldn't anticipate the young kids taking over those roles were not likely to be as successful? Or that they might get hurt playing two-ways if moved up a class? 

    Now -- I don't know that it would be the same problem this time.  Luers only graduates 12 seniors this year. So, a lot of this team will be back.  And there were a lot of juniors and a lot of sophomores already playing a lot of minutes this year. Maybe success factor would be a fair application in this year's case. 

    I don't know what next year looks like, but I'd expect that Luers should make a pretty deep run again when this year's sophomores are seniors. 

     

     

    Most small schools don't have a stable of NFL players... Most small schools have never had a player make it to the NFL... And no HS team (outside of IMG and those type of schools) is beating a college team.  

    Chatard vs Knox Semi-state

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    On 11/14/2023 at 1:27 PM, JUSTADAD17 said:

    Question.  What prevents any school system from having a solid, consistent youth program, from having intense and accountable off season weight and conditioning programs, from hiring great coaches, and establishing a tradition?   That's what has built Chatard.   Yes...it's now 40+ years old, but there is no advantage any community can't establish over time.   Granted,  it's built in to the CYO program, but there is also CYO basketball, and  Catholics don't dominate that sport at all.  Same w volleyball.   Chatard oppresses nobody.  They just have the best program in the state, but started (and lasted 30 years) it with facilities worse than the Junction Boys.   Only recently have they moved into the 21st century.

    I think most small (3A and smaller) try this model.  I think we have a pretty good youth program, a REALLY good weight/conditioning program, and a really good coaching staff that are involved with all aspects of the program (from youth to Jr. High to High School).  

    What you don't probably see or understand is it's a numbers game.  Webo had about 100 tackle players this past year.  40 in 2nd/3rd, 36 in 4th/5th, and 22 in 6th grade.  

    Chatard didn't build the CYO program.  The success of Chatard, Brebeuf, Guerin, Cathedral, Scecina, Roncalli, Ritter, etc. all helped in building that program.  From that point, the kids then select where they want to attend HS.  I am sure the CYO program helps with that.  You get a group of kids that all want to play together, and they go to school together.  That is an advantage that small programs don't have.  We have who we have.  Some classes are larger, some have a few more athletes.  The CYO is a large organization.  To compare the youth league of the CYO to other 2A or 3A programs isn't comparing apples to apples.  The CYO draws kids from all over the city.  Webo draws from kids from Jamestown, Thorntown, Dover... Not exactly the same population as any "side" of the city.

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