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    Case for Caden Curry

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    12 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

    Phenomenal player and going to be a difference maker for whatever elite program he commits to….unfortunately when you have Brady Allen putting up the season he did and the way he did it….7 sacks and no forced fumbles is not going to cut it.  That’s just the reality of it 

     

    seriously…he is a phenomenal talent…but he wasn’t even top 5 in 6A for sacks and had 0 forced fumbles according to maxpreps.  When the other top candidate put up arguably the best passing season in state history, you need the stats to make the argument 

    I get you trying to prop up your kid.  

    But I think you are trying to compare Apples to Oranges.  Brady Allen was the best QB in the State.  In my opinion, Caden Curry was the best football player.  I also know that it is extremely difficult for a Lineman (OL or DL) to win this award because many look directly at Stats.  

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    MIC & HCC realignment

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, HHF said:

    There has been a very public arms race between the two conferences over the past 5 seasons about which one is the stronger league.  The MIC has always come out on top because thay always win the 6A championship, which is the ultimate prize.  From the HCC POV, this is about prestige.  They can now take the mantle of Indiana strongest football conference, which apparently does mean something to them.  They have been chasing The MIC for years, and this coup culminates that chase.  If you to put an opoen market value on both CG and CA, it would be higher than any other existing HCC school.  So how can they possibly pass that up?  As I said earlier, I believe CG is a perfect fit.  carmel will present a lot of problems for the HCC down the road due to their complete dominance in several sports.  HCC needs to decide if it wants that headache.  I actually think Carmel is extremely well positioned to go independent.  

    From an outsider that all makes sense... Unless I am an AD/Coach at an HCC School in which it will become much more difficult to win a conference championship in football, country club sports, and even basketball.  Fans and parents can discuss how the HCC is the strongest conference in Indiana or even the MW, but there is literally no value in that.  Neither are bringing TV money... Other than an arguable comment about being the best conference, what is the actual value to HCC member schools?

    Again, it makes complete sense for both CG & Carmel to want to join... 

    MIC & HCC realignment

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by 1st_and_10

    29 minutes ago, HHF said:

    CG is being publicly accused of being a disloyal member of its conference. That's an ugly accusation, but unfortunately true.   Its a black mark that stains the shine that has emanated from everything that they have accomplished in building that program.  

    BTW - I appreciate the tens of thousands of page views you have contributed to my total over the years.  Ive always known you were one of my biggest readers.

    I don't know that this is 100% accurate.  CG (and Carmel) needs to do what's best for them first and foremost.  The frustration of having small gates for the "money maker sports" because the MIC fans do not travel well isn't a secret to anyone on this board.  And though the MIC and the 6 Township schools can send out their statement about being "athletics should not drive a decision" is actually about the $.

    That said, when Colleges go through a Conference re-alignment typically it is around $.  B1G bringing in Rutgers (so they can tap into the NY/NJ/East coast market), OK/TX going to SEC, etc.  What does Carmel/CG bring to the HCC?  Carmel dominates the country club sports, CG has dominated football the last 2 years, and both are pretty good at basketball.  It's not like either bring significant $ (like colleges with TV contracts) so what would be the reason to allow both into the conference?  Seems like it benefits CG/Carmel but not necessarily benefits most of the HCC Schools... A bigger gate (though most HCC schools travel pretty well), is that the draw to the HCC?  

    MIC & HCC realignment

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Irishman said:

    I have a feeling the ripple effect this causes throughout Central Indiana is going to be significant. 

    I wonder if there are shake ups amongst not just the HCC & MIC... But perhaps the Mid State also?  Does this shuffle other conferences in the Indy Metro Area...

    37 minutes ago, HHF said:

    Oh yes.  Im very sure of it.  Those people in The MIC office are clearly fed up with all the elitist BS they've had to listen to over the past several years.  This was a calculated, gutsy move by an entity that knows it has still has plenty of appeal and lots of options to grow.  

    Carmel could be the odd man out, and the most likely to go independent due to its mammoth size.  

    CGs back to back championship run is tarnished.

    The MIC comes out looking like the spurned spouse, and they will get all the sympathy and the benefit of the doubt.  

    CGs run will not last forever.  In fact, we probably just saw the peak.  

    How?

    And I wouldn't be so sure...  

     

    Also, what is the timing of this?  Effective at the end of 2021-2022 School Year??

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    IFCA All-State Teams

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Enrollment Numbers Updated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    12 minutes ago, superjay said:

    You are praying WeBo moves back down to 2A.  

    Not at all.  I just believe that this is a 1 year cycle and they reset the sectionals this year.  I am giving my opinion on what I think will happen, not "praying" for anything.  

    17 minutes ago, superjay said:

    I would say Danville is now or in 2 years.  TW has at least 4 years.  

    This we agree on.  

    Enrollment Numbers Updated

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

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    I am almost 100% certain it will be reclassified this year.  Sectionals realigned with enrollment and success factors.  It's either a 1 year cycle or a 3 year cycle.  It would be nice if the IHSAA would clarify all of this.  Clearly we all have differing opinions of how we interpret what they put out last March/April.  There is a thread somewhere discussing this very thing. 

    State Championship Predictions

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    4 hours ago, MuleDriver said:

    Wow Westfield? Would take a monumental effort from all those guys who will never play at the next level. You know the ones who still lean on the fence at home games telling tall tales about their high school career . . You know like half the members of this forum.   At least they could tell everyone that doesn't believe them 20 years from now they beat center Grove at state in 21....   

    error on my part… I think CG will win by double digits… Have no idea why Input Westfield.  Editing my post now

    4 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said:

    1A--Lutheran

    2A--Andrean

    3A--Gibson Southern

    4A--Mt. Vernon

    5A--Cathedral

    6A--CG

     

    State Championship Predictions

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    3 hours ago, MICFan34 said:

    1A: Adams Central vs Lutheran: I think Adams Central wins this game in a close one. Lutheran has a weird way of not winning games in Semistate or State that they are favorites in, going back to the last 10 years. 

    2a: Andrean vs Mater Dei: I think Andrean wins this game in a close one as well. This may be one of my favorite matchups of the weekend. Two powerhouse private schools that possess a lot of talent on both teams. 

    3a: Brebeuf vs Gibson Southern: This is my favorite game of the weekend. Brebuef's D-Line will be the difference in the game and get key pressure on Allen. After seeing GS play Tri-West on Saturday, GS plays a fun brand of football with a lot of team speed on their side. I think this is another game that goes to the wire. Brebeuf's explosiveness in the pass game should be concerning to the GS defense. 

    4a: Northridge vs Mt. Vernon: Northridge's Cinderalla run ends with a loss to the Marauders. Mt. Vernon is just too explosive for Northridge to contain for 48 minutes. I think this will be the best atmosphere of the 6 games. 

    5A: Zionsville vs Cathedral: I think this game will end with a final score similar to the New Pal/Cathedral game in the Regionals. I just don't see how Zionsville gets it going offensively against one of the best defenses in the state. 

    6a: Westfield vs CG: The amount of high-level talent in this game is unbelievable. It'll be a well-executed game on both sides but CG wins this by 2-3 TDs. I just don't see how Westfield will be able to run the ball against the Trojans' stout DL. 

    If I am a betting man, there will probably be a BUNCH of 1 step (since Allen is in the shotgun) and out type of throws to limit the pass rush of Strickland, Childers, & Co. 

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    3A SS South Gibson Southern vs Tri-West

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by 1st_and_10

    27 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

    I realize that because WEBO has played and lost to Danville, Tri-West and Brebeuf.....Gibson Southern should probably just save the gas on a bus ride.  That said, any other thoughts on the outcome of this contest?

    What!?!?  Everything I said has been firmly tongue in cheek.  I do think this is a close game.  I would like to see TW win because they are in our Conference.... Much like the HH & Southridge fans are rooting for GS.  

    Take a deep breath.  There aren't many (if any) TW fans on this site... I am just driving conversation.  

    Safe travels up north on Saturday.

    3A SS South Gibson Southern vs Tri-West

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    27 minutes ago, Titan20 said:

    Sweet is this like a Kevin Bacon thing?  I’ll play! So in 3A…2017 Memorial drills Danville (I was at that game).  2018 Memorial drills Chatard who drilled Tri-West the week before.  2019 Heritage Hills drills Danville.  2020 Danville beats SR. So by my math that’s 3-1 in the last four years for southern Indiana.  And I have yet to see what that has to do with 2021 GS.

    LOL... Absolutely nothing.  

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    3A SS South Gibson Southern vs Tri-West

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted · Edited by 1st_and_10

    I don't think this is a blow out or a 3+ score win for either team.  I'll take TW at home 38-35.  It's a homer Sagamore pick... Let's remember how all of the Southern Indiana Teams that have played Sagamore Schools in semi-states the last few years have faired... Webo drilled Southridge in 2018, Webo Drilled Triton Central (who beat Mater Dei) in 2019, Webo drilled Mater Dei in 2020, Danville Drilled Southridge in 2020.  Heritage Hills did get Danville in 2019 however... 

     

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    Are we in a new 2-year Success Factor window?

    in The Indiana High School Football Forum

    Posted

    18 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

    Here's the way I understand it. 

    2020-21 and 2021-22 are the two-year cycle. So points earned last year and this will count toward reclassification for hte next two years. In summer 2022, all points reset to zero and a new cycle begins. 

    The sticky wicket is LCC & Chatard. Teams that got bumped this year, I think, only accumulate SF points in their current class (so, for example, if LCC or Chatard wins a regional, they'll stay up, but they can't get the 6 points necessary to bump up to 3A/5A).

    I'm not sure what happens if they *don't* get the two points necessary, but I assume they'll go back to their natural enrollment classes. Curious if they win a sectional and the IHSAA decides to keep them up for the next two years saying that would be similar to winning two sectional titles in the old system. 

    COVID has created a lot of really weird dynamics and extending the cycle by one extra year (while also bumping teams due to SF without a reclassification) is one of them. It's also led to a three-team sectional in 6A, which means someone is going to play Nov. 5 after *two* weeks off. But once we get through this year, everything should go back to normal next summer. 

    Add Webo to the bold, but this is the way I understand it also... 

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