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1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Ahh, so youth who bale hay before and after football practice are better than those who don't.  Got it.

Where are the Amish school football dynasties?

 

I don't understand Muda... You have talked consistently on here about low income kids that have to help support their families... Does that not include young teenage kids that live on farms helping to support their family?  Or is it only that narrative when it fits Frankfort and their 4A Classification?  You talk out of both sides of your mouth.  

It's a matter of what the kids have to do before/after practice.  Webo is a farming community.  Lots of kids do 4H, bale hay, work ground, etc.  It's a matter of work ethic.  No one is saying those kids were better than anyone (I promise you the kids won't tell you that), it's a matter that DT identified Webo as "upscale".  I am guessing those schools that are "upscale" are not baling hay or working farms before/after practices/workouts.  I am not sure if you've ever touched a bale of hay Muda but, Baling hay in 90 degree heat is no joke.  It's physically demanding.  It's tiring.  But the kids aren't using excuses.  They show up to practices/workouts/camps and do what they have to do at home.

57 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Stookey's has a great tenderloin sandwich and killer onion rings.

 

They do.  But wouldn't exactly call those small towns upscale.  I mean Thorntown and Jamestown do have Dollar Generals though.

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Hey, Dover has a Gas Station.  At least it used to the last time I drove through there................

 

They still have a gas station... 

48 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Ahh, so youth who bale hay before and after football practice are better than those who don't.  Got it.

Where are the Amish school football dynasties?

 

You completely missed the point Muda... But I would expect nothing different from you.  

54 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Medium prices for tractors and other major farm machinery are in the 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars.  Nice try.

It's so secret the Western Boone geographical area is full of wealthy farmers.

 

And exactly what "narrative" is that?  Go ahead, spit it out.

 

LOL.  Full of Wealthy farmers... 

So Affluent/upscale...

On 6/16/2021 at 9:03 PM, DT said:

WeBo has gotten lots of statewide TV coverage over the past several seasons.  They travel as well as any team in the tournament, giving the perception that they are "local."  They are in fact local compared to their competitors

Last 3 seasons... 

17 hours ago, DT said:

The 2020 State Football Finals revealed the new face of championship level prep football in Indiana.

Big money, affluent communities are taking home the hardware, while the era of the blue collar, hard nosed, chip on the shoulder programs is coming to an end.

Its an unmistakable and irreversible development. And a bit sad as well.

* 6A Big money titans Center Grove and Westfield keep the mega school title game as a local Indy affair once again.  If youre not Indy metro in 6A, you might as well be in Afghanistan

* Deep pockets Cathedral schools old money Zionsville in the 5A title matchup.

* Affluent private Roncalli steamrolls blue collar Hobart in a 4A championship that will forever haunt the dreams of Brickie youth.

* Chatard toys with Danville and wins its state record 15th championship.

* Upscale 2A Western Boone nips private Fort Wayne Luers in a thriller

* 1A Covenant Christian, still a relatively new program, takes the 1A title.

Big money has ruled high school sports such as golf, tennis, swimming, cross country over the years.  Basketball too has succombed to the trend as high dollar off season training programs, AAU and private academy programs have deeply infiltrated the sport.

Football seemed to be the sport that still relied on grit, guile, sweat , power and sheer strength.

Not anymore.

Pioneer may be the last vestige of what once was on the Hoosier high school gridiron.  Long championship runs by public  schools like Hobart, Sheridan and even Penn are a thing of the past.  

The expansion of the CFP will continue to marginalize and minimize lower level college football.  The same will happen at the high school level as big money programs make those with fewer resources irrelevent.  

Those on the outside looking in will need to remain highly self motivated and diligent as they chase after an ever decreasing percentage of the championship  pie

 

 

I live in the Western Boone Community... Where is this "upscale" that you speak of?

Have you been to Jamestown?  Thorntown?  Dover?  Advance?  

10 minutes ago, Flounder88 said:

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LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! 

You need to speak with @Tanka Jahari He is the Grid Expert when it comes to these things.

On 5/26/2021 at 10:47 AM, FarmerFran said:

I apologize if I missed this elsewhere, but is this just a one year alignment until a full enrollment can be performed? Looks to me like LCC just replaced Webo who also bumped up a class and everything else stayed pat. Pretty simple solution for a 1 year deal if its the case.

Correct.  LCC replaced Webo in 2A, Webo replaced Chatard in 3A Sectional.  It's a 1 year deal and then after enrollments are taken the Sectionals will be re aligned.  

On 5/14/2021 at 4:38 PM, Donnie Baker said:

Isn’t this post about next year? 

Sectionals will be realigned in 2022 when enrollments are taken into consideration.  2021 the only changes to sectionals are those moving up or down due to success factor.  

On 5/12/2021 at 8:21 PM, Donnie Baker said:

Sectionals are already set. I swear to God they are. Nobody is dropping down. Only success factor teams are moving up. STATE LAW!

Next year is what I meant Donnie. 

33 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/youth-football-drill-goes-viral

Any experienced football coaches out there who have viewed this video?  Comments? Concerns?

 

I've watched it.  Absolutely disgusting.  Things like this used to be common when no one understood CTE or Concussions... There is no place for this... Not anymore.  The coaches should be removed.  There is no place for this in Youth football.  There are tackle wheels, dummies, blocking sleds, etc. that can work just as well rather than to get a kid (or kids) injured.  Not only injured... But you are running kids out of the game doing drills like this.

Seeger and SV will have LCC in their sectional.  Not an easy out come tourney time.  

When enrollments are released, I think you'll see some fluctuation in what classes some of these teams are in.  I think Seeger may drop to 1A which could make it interesting come tourney time if they sit in the same sectional with the Wolfs 

11 hours ago, Basementbias said:

Hoping the stay in 1A and not moving up to 2A produces a good result for the season. 2A seems to have been spread out with Pioneer, Luers, Eastbrook and LCC as well as others up and coming. 

Luers has to be the favorite... If they return most of what they had in the State Game in 20 they will be athletic and very, very good.

Annual topic is open!  And while there was no conference champion awarded in 2020 (due to schools not playing the full SAG schedule), Danville won all their conference games... 

Danville has Kale Payne and Dostin back and is looking to get back to LOS on Thanksgiving weekend... 

Webo moves up to 3A after 3 straight State Titles in 2A... Luke Marsh, Connor Garrity, Robby Taylor, and Coppock will be tough to replace...

Tri-West lose Cora, Ross, Hendershot and others but brings back Depinet on D.

Frankfort showed improvement last year, Lebanon loses some skilled kids (Harker and Reese), and I have no idea what Montgomery County is bringing back... I know Southmont was really young last year... 

Expectations and thoughts on 2021?

7 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

I'm not asking you to apologize, nor should you.

I never said you were given an advantage.  But WeBo was able to remain in the same class despite winning back to back state championships. Other schools have been bumped up for less, see 2013-14 Scecina for example.  My problem is with rule, which did benefit Western Boone.  If sophomores play up a classification their HS career due to things prior to their first varsity snaps? Well, that's the rule.     

"Your team could have done the same thing."  You are absolutely 100% correct.  

your quote “How ironic someone from WeBo would be worried about staying up a class for 3 years after they just took advantage of the SF 2 year reset of points”

Be upset with the IHSAA.  All schools have the ability to do what Webo did.  Its not like Webo decided that now is the time (30 years later) to win state again.  Is the success factor flawed?  Is there a better way?  We have all had those threads and discussed at length.

Yes, Webo Remained in 2A after winning a State Championship and a sectional in the 2 year cycle of 2017 & 2018 (not enough points per the IHSAA success factor).  Webo then won state Titles in the 2 year cycle of 2019 & 2020 and after defeating Heritage Christian in Regional we knew that Webo was going to be in In 3A.

We know we are 3A.  We (and I think Chatard and LCC are in the same boat) just dont understand if we are in for 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years.  No one seems to have that answer.  Thats all I am looking for is clarity.

22 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

How ironic someone from WeBo would be worried about staying up a class for 3 years after they just took advantage of the SF 2 year reset of points. 

My hope is that IHSAA goes to a rolling 2 year or longer, but definitely rolling point total.  

 

Not worried at all.  Just trying to understand what they rolled out and what exactly it means as it seems to only affect LCC, Webo, Chatard at this point.  

It's not an "advantage" when the same rules apply to all.  Your Team could have done the same thing.  The fact is the Senior Class of 2021 at Western Boone played in 58 games out of 60 in their 4 years.  Those kids (as well as the class of 2020 and the class of 2019) worked their tails off to win State.  For you to act like that they found a loop hole to win is absolutely asinine.  None of us here in the Western Boone Community will apologize for winning 3 straight titles.  

So will the success factor teams (LCC/Webo/Chatard) have to play up for 3 years?  I understand this is a 1 year thing because of enrollment numbers, but what happens after this year because no one is going to get 6 points this year to move up (max would be 5 points for State) or is it if they get 2 points (Regional) then they would stay up and if they don't win a Regional they would fall back to where their enrollment is?

Webo goes up to 3A because of success factor and if they dont get enough points they drop back to 2A next year?  
 

26 minutes ago, superjay said:

He’s gone now.  Got caught up in the mess. We already got the next one in reclassification training.

Yes, I know.  LOL

6 hours ago, Lysander said:

He’s going to be hard to replace.  His 2016 team was heads and tails ahead of any 3A and “Success Factored” 4A team at the time (in 2016, traditional 4A teams like Cathedral, Columbus North and New Pal had already moved on to 5A).

In 2016, Concordia was an absolute MACHINE.  As an ancient EIAC guy, I felt terrible that Lawrenceburg drew THAT short straw.

Even last year, he came up with a game plan (minus, perhaps, his top offensive player) that fought Chatard (who ended the year as the 6th ranked team in ALL, repeat, ALL classes per Sagarin) right down to the very, very end.  

To be clear, the 3A State Championship games last year were ALL played in the North between Chatard, Concordia and Mishawaka Marian (the Lucas Oil “State Championship” game was an afterthought.........thanks Tri-West AD, btw).  

Not that it needs reminding (but I will), the 3A State Champion defeated the 4A State Champion during regular season play.....

Back to the point,  BIG SHOES need to be filled at Concordia.

It was their principal.  LOL.  But yeah, hard to argue.

9 minutes ago, foxbat said:

We used to do this with Little Gridiron, although it was usually college students.  The issue we ran into was inconsistency and, in some cases, absenteeism of some or all officials. 

The league decided at that point to spend the money and go with Friday-night refs.  This happened at least by and probably before the 2002 season when I first coached in LGI.  The result was great as, even though it was youth games, the professionalism from the crews elevated the feel of the game for the kids and the fans.  Also, the crews that we had were really good in not just doing their jobs, but also helping to educate the kids and the coaches.  They provided enough firmness to keep the game controlled while also enough "soft touch" to not discourage the kids and make the game drag on.

One thing that our crews expanded to doing was bringing in some of the younger/newer officials.  We'd typically get a three-man crew and sometimes that would be two "old-timers" with a new guy who was getting "extra reps."  It was a nice opportunity to get a really good service while also getting the extra care from the refs and also giving them an opportunity to also train the new and upcoming guys.

Yep.  Sundays were much easier for scheduling refs ... and also for getting the stadiums.

Yes, my biggest fear too.  We have tried college kids in the past and it hasn't worked out.

We may need to look into Sundays in the future. 

44 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Have you looked into hiring non-licensed people, like high school kids, to actually do the officiating, operating under the supervision of a couple of licensed officials? I bet your local officials’ association would be interested in partnering with you on that. It’s a great way to recruit new officials.

We haven't because we are a league of 7 seperate organizations that play at different facilities every week.  So while one place may be able to do this, the others would probably struggle to get that.  

The 7 leagues agree on rules and at least 2 officials per game (one must be licensed) but none of us want Dads out there and much like HS officials, no one wants to deal with the headaches of parents.  LOL

6 hours ago, Bobref said:

Saturday college football is probably not a significant contributor to the officiating shortage. There are 20 college FB programs in Indiana. 10 of them are FBS or FCS and, typically, the officials who work those contests do not work high school football. That leaves 10 programs at the D2, D3 and NAIA levels, meaning that there are 5 such games in Indiana every Saturday, on average. Of those 35-40 officials, there are at least some who do not also work high school football. So, on the average Saturday, there are approximately 30 licensed high school officials removed from the pool of nearly 1,000 licensed officials available to work.

There are plenty of reasons there is an officials shortage on Saturdays, but college FB officiating is not a significant contributor to that problem.

The Saturday JV games have killed Youth leagues trying to get licensed officials.  It's extremely difficult.  Even paying $50 or $60 a game to ref a 2nd/3rd grade game. And we typically don't have our schedule finalized until mid-late July and most IHSAA licensed officials already have a schedule or most Saturdays booked.  

Tri-West (Northwest Hendricks school Corp) is putting in a big facilities upgrade with includes field turf.

16 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

You and @1st_and_10 want to make it a rural thing.  I think @DT's original point and the one I agree with (did I just say I agree with him???) is that schools that are the ONLY school in the "county" rarely have success.  

Switzerland

Brown

Crawford

Jay 

Union

Jennings

Owen Valley

Pike Central

Benton Central

Rushville 

Connersville

 

I am not saying a rural school or a school named _____ County won't have a good football program.  I just can't think of a school that is the ONLY public school in the county that has had football success. 

I am not trying to make it anything... Seeger is the only school in Warren County.  They have had success.  My point was/is that does the success come from good Community support or does the community support come from the success?