Tippy

A Catholic school is NOT a business. It is a private, non-profit organization primarily focused on religious education and student formation, rather than generating profit; their main goal is to provide quality education within the Catholic faith, not to maximize financial gain.

I'm sorry! Its not you! When I read some of the comments on here, I can just feel the hate towards p/p schools. Its probably not hate. Some people just think they win too much. Anyway, Merry Christmas!

They went to class basketball, and that was a bad thing. I don't like class sports. You could move all p/p's up to the highest class and if one would win, you still wouldn't like it. I guess Catholic schools never had an advantage in basketball, because even in single class basketball you would think that one P/P would win a championship in 55 years. Some p/p's do well in sports and some do not. When did LCC start having advantages? LCC didn't win anything in football from 1977-1998 and they had class football. I don't think anyone cares what class p/p's are in, just as long as they don't win. Just move all p/p's up 2 classes and all public schools can stay where they are at and be done with it. So LCC will now be in 3A for ever. Is that good enough for you?

Some people can't stand it when a p/p beats a public school. They couldn't stand it in the 1920's and 30's and they can't stand it today. Many p/p's don't even have good football programs. From 1942-1997 not one time did a Catholic school win the IN high school basketball championship. They would like it to be the same in football. It might be ok if a p/p wins a championship in football every 45 years. For some people, every time a p'p wins a championship, that is a bad thing. It's always going to be that way. Some would be happy if they brought back the Oregon School Law of 1922.

Cathedral 1969 Results! They finished 8-2 0 Elkhart 52 22 FW Dwenger 6 13 Indy Tech 0 36 Indy Manual 8 28 Indy Crispus Attucks 0 48 Roncalli 6 18 Indy Shortridge 8 0 Indy Broad Ripple 6 19 Indy Scecina 12 26 Indy Washington 16 Not many teams can say they beat Cathedral by 52 points.

It seemed like all the teams in NW Indiana were good until about 1978. Here is another example. Cathedral 1951 Results! They finished 9-1 0 Hammond Noll 21 19 Indy Washington 7 6 Bloomington 0 27 Lafayette Jeff 6 34 Indy Crispus Attucks 7 25 Indy Shortridge 13 20 Southport 0 26 Batesville 6 19 Indy Broad Ripple 0 34 Indy Sacred Heart 7

Two starters on the 1992 Jeff team that almost won state were Catholic. Brad Knoy and Courtney Harris were both Catholic and Harris went to St. Lawrence grade school. I don't think Schornstein lived in Lafayette until he went to Jeff. Schornstein played college basketball at New Mexico university. Jeff always had an easy path to semi-state, but when class basketball started, instead of playing LCC in the sectional, they had to play Kokomo and Marion. Coach Jim Hammel knew class basketball would hurt Jeff, that's why he was against it.

Class basketball might not be the main reason for the rise of football in Central Indiana, but it sure did take the air out of the ball at Lafayette Jeff. Jeff was in the championship game in 1992 and went to the final 4 in 1996. Lafayette Jeff hasn't done anything in basketball the last 26 years.

The 1977 RC team was good too. They went 10-0 that year, but didn't make the playoffs. Plymouth and Columbia City got the playoff spots. DeWees was the QB for that 1977 RC team. Selby, Tonner and Phegley were good players for that 1977 team. When there is a DeWees on RC's team, they seem to go 10-0.

Thank you for this post! This is a lot of great info. I think football did eclipse basketball in 1998 when IN went to class basketball.

They were electric! RC beat West Lafayette 40-0 that year. Rensselaer was ranked 14th in the UP poll at the end of the year. Wave Myers was the coach at RC. Gary Mau, Dale Dewees, and George Clouse were the best players for RC in 1954. There were a lot of good teams in northern Indiana in the 1950's.

From the 1920's through the 1970's, far northern Indiana always seemed to have the best football teams in the state. Northern Indiana ruled Indiana high school football. These teams were rated number 1 in the polls they were using back then. 1927 - Gary Froebel 9-0 1929 - Gary Mann 9-1 1931 - South Bend Central 11-0 1936 - Gary Mann 9-1 1937 - Hammond 10-0 1939 - South Bend Washington 9-0-1 1942 - East Chicago Washington 9-0 1943 - South Bend Washington 10-0 1944 - South Bend Washington 9-0-1 1945 - East Chicago Roosevelt 10-0 1946 - East Chicago Roosevelt 10-0 1947 - East Chicago Roosevelt 10-0 1949 - East Chicago Roosevelt 1950 - Gary Roosevelt 8-0-1 1953 - South Bend Washington 10-0 1954 - Whiting 8-1 1955 - East Chicago Roosevelt 9-0 1958 - South Bend Central 10-0 1959 - South Bend Central 10-0 1960 - Hammond 10-0 1962 - Hammond 10-0 1963 - Elkhart 10-0 1964 - South Bend St. Joseph 9-0-1 1965 - Hammond Morton 10-0 1966 - South Bend Adams 9-0 1968 - Elkhart 10-0 1969 - South Bend Washington 10-0 1970 - Elkhart 10-0 The playoffs began in 1973 and South Bend Washington beat Cathedral 19-13 for the 3a championship. In 1977 SB Washington went 10-2 and they would not have another 10 win season until 2011. This year SB Washington went 0-10. On November 6, 1943 West Lafayette went up to South Bend to play South Bend Washington at School Field. West Lafayette had won 24 games in a row. Many thought this was the Mythical State Championship game. West Lafayette 1943 Season Results 39 Indy Washington 0 21 Hoopeston, IL 0 14 Lafayette Jeff 0 20 Peru 0 41 Frankfort 0 27 Monticello 2 14 Lafayette Jeff 0 25 Crawfordsville 7 WL beat Jeff 14-0 twice that year and that was the only 2 games Jeff lost in 1943. The SB Washington/WL game was played in a driving rain and the field was a sea of mud. 2000 fans braved the elements. WL kicked off to SB Washington and on the 2nd play SB's Ernie Zalejski ran 55 yards for a TD. South Bend Washington beat West Lafayette 27-0. This is an example of how good the teams from South Bend were in the 1940's. What happened to the teams from northern Indiana? Most of the schools in NW Indiana don't have very good football teams today.

And Brownsburg only beat Avon 21-13 in the sectional.

What was working to perfection before the success factor? Here are some more facts for you jets. 1986 - 4 of 5 public schools won state. Cathedral was the only p/p 1987 - Public school sweep 1988 - 4 of 5 public schools won state. Roncalli was the only p/p 1993 - 4of 5 public schools won state. Roncalli was the only p/p 1997 - 4of 5 public schools won state. Chatard was the only p/p 2000- 4 of 5 public schools won state. Mater Dei was the only p/p 2005 - Public school sweep From 1978-2008 only 3 times did p/p's win state in class 1A. LCC in 1999 and Ritter in 2003 and 2008. LCC won state from 2009-2012 and then they came up with the success factor.

Here are some facts! Only 2 teams north of Lafayette have won the largest class in high school football since 1978. Penn - 1983, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2000 FW Snider - 1992 Portage - 1977 Merrillville - 1976 Valparaiso - 1975 South Bend Washington - 1973 Only 10 times since the playoffs started in 1973 have teams from north of Lafayette won the largest class. Penn has won 5 of the 10. Nobody from the DAC has won it since 1977.

Until the north starts playing football, there is just one thing to do. Move all teams north of Lafayette down one class. 🙂

Public schools recruit all the time, but it never gets noticed. In the 1980's there was a really good freshman basketball player at Taylor High school. He ended up at Kokomo High school the next year. It was said they used undue influence to get him to transfer to Kokomo. Nothing ever happened. Lafayette Jeff was always trying to get LCC kids to transfer to Jeff. Nothing was ever done to stop it.

At least its not as bad as it was in the 1920's and 1930's. Cathedral wasn't allowed to be a member of the IHSAA until 1942.

I don't think any Catholic school in Indiana would turn away students for athletic purposes. From 1997-2007 enrollment in Catholic schools across the nation fell 14 percent. The Diocese of Lafayette was the only one in Indiana to show growth in enrollment during that time. In 1957 LCC was built for a capacity of 700 students. In 1957 LCC had about 300 students. The most students LCC ever had was about 600 students in 1968. In 1977 LCC had 382 students. In 1980 LCC had 345 students. In 1984 LCC had 266 students. As foxbat said, LCC almost closed its doors after the 1990 school year. In 1990 LCC's enrollment was 187 students. LCC went from about 600 students in 1970 to about 200 students in 1990. There was so much room at LCC that they moved the 7th and 8th grade students in to the high school building in 1986.

Can he play the theme song from the "Dukes of Hazzard"? 🙂 Dukes of Hazzard was so popular in the late 1970's and early 80's, and was on TV Friday night. In the southern states people were not going to high school football games because they wanted to watch the Dukes of Hazzard, so they moved the games to Saturday.

I don't have the numbers, but foxbat might know more about this than I do. There might be more p/p's with football programs today, but that does not mean they have good football programs. It seems to me that there are about 10 p/p's today with good football programs. Andrean, Brebeuf, Cathedral, Chatard, Roncalli, Mater Dei, EV Memorial, Luers, LCC, Lutheran and Providence is good this year. In the 1970's Cathedral, Chatard, Ritter, Dwenger, SB St. Joseph, Hammond Noll, and Mishawaka Marian had good football programs. LCC had a good team in 1976, but not so much in the late 70's and early 80's.

No, it hasn't been done since 2005. This could be the year. I don't think the success factor has anything to do with it. There was no success factor in 1987 and 2005. It's probably about time for it to happen again. If you don't want p/p's to win, then we should go back to having 3 classes. The p/p's didn't win state for 5 years in a row in the late 70's and early 80's

It was the public schools that wanted the p/p's to be in their own tournament after LCC won state 4 years in a row from 2009-2012. Everything was fine after the public sweep in 2005, and in 2013 there was a class 6A and a crazy success factor. Danny Anthrop had a lot to do with LCC winning state those 4 years. Please pray for the Anthrop family! Jade, Dru, Danny, and Jackson Anthrop's aunt, Mary Anthrop, passed away on November 9th. Mary Anthrop was a history teacher at LCC for 40 years.

It happened in 1974, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982 1987, and 2005

It also happened in 1982.