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I agree - you don't literally have to be in education, but you need to have the mindset to grow kids beyond sports - teamwork, dedication, hard work, fun. We've been trending toward "me me me" mindsets in athletics and in my opinion - it is dangerous. The "educator mindset" as a coach is a desirable trait.

Was thinking the same thing!

Lions, tigers or bears, oh my!

So about Flag Football......

Cool Pool!

When is the last time/has there ever been an OL selected for Mr. Football?

Whoops! No i did not 🤣 please disregard

https://www.ldnews.com/story/news/local/2016/07/19/lebanon-school-board-approves-land-purchase/87283300/ $450,000 for ~20 acres (~$22.5k/acre) Google gives varying ranges per acre right now, from $19.5k to $38.2k

State Championship Games: 6A Westfield vs. Brownsburg 5A Warsaw vs. Decatur Central 4A East Noble vs. New Palestine 3A FW Luers vs. Heritage Hills 2A Adams Central vs. Linton 1A North Judson vs. Providence

Ok. HH 42- Batesville 0. Final.

HH 27- Batesville 0 @ half

to respond to your second observation, I love traditional colors, but given their freedom of choice, I see no problem with black and/or gray. Its not about looking "tougher" its about choice of uniforms. When I played in college we had multiple color variations and its just a fun way to mix it up before games. to each their own. ***insert Muda69 comment about tax dollars here*** 😁

Semi-State Games: 6A Crown Point @ Westfield Brownsburg @ Center Grove 5A Merrillville @ Warsaw Decatur Central @ Bloomington South 4A East Noble @ Mishawaka Martinsville @ New Palestine 3A Garrett @ FW Luers Batesville @ Heritage Hills 2A Adams Central @ Andrean Linton @ Indy Lutheran 1A South Adams @ North Judson South Putnam @ Providence

from what I heard, this isn't going through any more.

6A Carroll (FW) @ Crown Point Westfield @ Fishers Lawrence North @ Brownsburg Center Grove @ Warren Central 5A Valparaiso @ Merrillville Lafayette Jeff @ Warsaw East Central @ Decatur Central Castle @ Bloomington South 4A New Prairie @ Mishawaka New Palestine @ Indy Chatard Evansville Reitz @ Martinsville 3A Knox @ Garrett FW Luers @ Maconaquah Tri-West @ Batesville 2A Andrean @ Laf. Central Catholic Brownstown Central @ Linton 1A North Miami @ South Adams Milan @ Providence

6A FW Snider @ FW Carroll Fishers @ HSE Indy Cathedral @ Lawrence North 5A Chesterton @ Valparaiso Warsaw @ Concord Decator Central @ Plainfield Bloomington So. @ Bloomington No. 4A Hanover Central @ New Prairie East Noble @ FW Dwenger Huntington No. @ Lebanon Indy Chatard @ Indy Roncalli 3A Mishawaka Marian @ Knox Garrett @ West Noble Maconaquah @ West Lafayette Mississinewa @ FW Luers Guerin @ Tri-West Lawrenceburg @ Batesville Evansville Mem. @ Heritage Hills 2A Bremen @ Andrean Eastern (Grto) @ Tipton Lapel @ Triton Central 1A Triton @ North Miami Cloverdale @ Sheridan North Decatur @ Milan

6A Carmel @ Zionsville Fishers @ Noblesville Ben Davis @ Pike 5A Michigan City @ Chesterton Concord @ FW North McCutcheon @ Kokomo Bloomington South @ TH South 4A New Prairie @ Hobart Logansport @ Lebanon Indy Roncalli @ Brebeuf Ev. Reitz @ Jasper 3A Jimtown @ Mishawaka Marian Griffith @ Knox Cascade @ Tri-West Madison @ Scottsburg 2A Western Boone @ Laf. Central Catholic Rochester @ Eastern (Greentown) Centerville @ Lapel South Vermillion @ Linton 1A Tri-County @ Taylor South Adams @ Tri North Davies @ Perry Central

1. Columbia City @ FW Dwenger 2. Culver Academy @ Lebanon 3. Danville @ Brebeuf Jesuit 4. Woodlan @ Tippecanoe Valley 5. Heritage @ Delta 6. Rushville @ Franklin County 7. Evansville Memorial @ Evansville Mater Dei 8. Heritage Hills @ Gibson Southern 9. Western Boone @ North Putnam 10. North Montgomery @ Southmont 11. Eastbrook @ Tipton 12. Heritage Christian @ Indianapolis Lutheran 13. Lapel @ Northeastern 14. North Posey @ South Vermillion 15. Carroll (Flora) @ Frontier 16. West Washington @ South Decatur 17. Providence @ Springs Valley 18. South Spencer @ Forest Park

@MarshallCounty @Titan32 @temptation I didn't want to spend all evening inputting numbers, but would love to see this and how it would change classes. It took me too long to do the small sample, but it does provide some interesting information.

Not easy to paste in here, but I tried to apply the factor as best I could using the 2015 data (didn't see the other data in time). I also made some assumptions in Classification after applying the FRL factor. YES THERE COULD BE ERRORS AP Poll - Class 2A Rankings thru Week 8 School Enrollment FRL (%) FRL Reduction New Enrollment New Classification* New Classification** Sectionals Regionals Semi-States States 1 Brownstown Central (8-0) 469 34.33% 120.8 348.2 A AAA 13 3 0 0 2 Lafayette Central Catholic (7-0) 302 0.00% 0.0 302.0 A AA 16 11 7 8 3 Indianapolis Lutheran (7-1) 267 0.00% 0.0 267.0 A AA 10 8 4 3 4 Adams Central (7-1) 408 19.51% 59.7 348.3 A AAA 24 16 4 1 5 Paoli (8-0) 396 56.44% 167.6 228.4 A A 4 2 0 0 6 Western Boone (7-1) 513 29.31% 112.8 400.2 AA AAA 11 7 5 4 7 South Vermillion (8-0) 468 41.79% 146.7 321.3 A AA 0 0 0 0 8 Triton Central (6-2) 468 30.87% 108.4 359.6 A AAA 9 1 0 0 9 Linton (6-2) 387 39.37% 114.3 272.7 A AA 15 11 2 1 10 Northeastern (8-0) 423 35.16% 111.5 311.5 A AA 0 0 0 0 11 North Posey (6-2) 442 23.87% 79.1 362.9 A AAA 5 5 2 0 12 Heritage Christian (6-2) 507 0.00% 0.0 507.0 AA AAA 4 2 2 1 13 Monrovia (6-2) 503 28.79% 108.6 394.4 AA AAA 6 5 2 1 14 Rochester (7-1) 473 37.83% 134.2 338.8 A AA 5 2 1 1 Average: 430 26.95% 90 340.2 A AA 9 5 2 1 Average (ex. Private): 450 34.30% 115 335.1 A AA 8 5 1 1 Bottom 10 based on Sagarin Ratings thru Week 8 Enrollment FRL (%) FRL Reduction New Enrollment New Classification* New Classification** Sectionals Regionals Semi-States States 54 Christel House 420 89.69% 282.5 137.5 A A 0 0 0 0 55 Central Noble 385 37.94% 109.6 275.4 A AA 1 0 0 0 56 Eastern (Pekin) 389 39.21% 114.4 274.6 A AA 0 0 0 0 57 Wabash 492 50.24% 185.4 306.6 A AA 0 0 0 0 58 Whitko 389 35.40% 103.3 285.7 A AA 1 1 1 1 59 Lake Station 391 79.87% 234.2 156.8 A A 2 0 0 0 60 Mitchell 430 38.52% 124.2 305.8 A AA 1 0 0 0 61 Clarksville 385 66.07% 190.8 194.2 A A 3 1 1 0 62 Crawford County 379 57.46% 163.3 215.7 A A 0 0 0 0 63 Union County 391 41.94% 123.0 268.0 A AA 0 0 0 0 Average: 405 53.63% 163 242.0 A A 1 0 0 0 *Class 2A Enrollment Range 24-25 & 25-26 (513 - 377) **Class 2A Enrollment Range after FRL Factor (344 - 253)

Thanks, that's why I would want to see it before its adopted. It could be an interesting study. I'm not aware of this being implemented in other states.

I was the one that mentioned coaches, admins and players getting kids on teams. This can help athletic teams but can also help the kids as well. For most small communities, the school drives the town. When the school is successful, the town feels it. This is why I mention having people reach out to the kids. Getting kids on teams can help kids grow as individuals, gain respect for classmates and be a net positive for them. I don't think this is a generalization or conjecture either. I think you see real value in team activities. Whether its football, band, choir, robotics, etc. I encourage any kid to get as involved as possible. As far as growing up quick, I get that. I had a school bus drop me off at a job starting in Jr. High. Its not me complaining and I didn't have an awful childhood, but I understand. To make my position clear, I'm not against this, at all. As I just mentioned in a previous post, seeing data would be great. Maybe you adopt a similar formula and adjust the values, but I am against stacking policies to level out the field. We have the success factor and the Indiana HSAA would likely have to think about how success factor is implemented if you are shifted based on FRL. @foxbat's idea of SPED numbers as that has a more direct correlation on participation.

Its possibly I'm looking deeply, but I hope whoever adopts policies does. There is never a single answer, but it could be as simple as adjusting the formula. Maybe 30% of FRL or 50% of FRL, depending on the data provided by Iowa HSAA. Would like to see some long-term data from Iowa and as we know, it only takes a few stud athletes to turn a program around for a few years regardless of classification.

This is understandable, but I have a feeling is far more nuanced in modern times. We have free and reduced lunches for these families, food stamps, and other forms of assistance. I am also looking at this from the athlete perspective (which i also understand is nuanced). Think of the success stories in high school, college and pros where athletes came from families eligible for FRL. It is on the coaches, players and administration to increase participation in athletics. Again, not saying its a poor concept, just wondering how it could be adopted. Would FRL drop in enrollment negate an increase in class due to success factor? How would Indiana HSAA adopt it?

Both straddle 1A/2A depending on sport