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23 minutes ago, tango said:

Why? The success factor is in place for a reason. Why punish a p/p school that hasn't had success?  

Punish is your word....not mine.😁

18 hours ago, WCGrad92 said:

This is what 1A would look like Last 32
and for reference, without Success Factor, Lutheran would still be in 1A at 267

Which is why a smallest 32 1A should also prohibit any P/P schols

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

The editor timed out before I finished.

A player who lines up and is neither a back nor a lineman, if he is not the QB, causes the formation to be illegal under 7-2-3. He can’t legally go downfield on a pass, he’s not an eligible receiver, he can’t legally touch a forward pass, and he can’t be in motion at the snap unless he fulfills the requirements of 7-2-7.

All of these are fouls. All routinely occur when the wingback lines up too close to the LOS. All are routinely ignored. Until now? Stay tuned.

@US31 does that answer your question?

Much appreciated!!

On 2/9/2024 at 12:00 PM, Bobref said:

There is a new Point of Emphasis on illegal formations. Depending on the guidance we get from the IHSAA on exactly what they want enforced, that could get sticky.

From a coaches perspective....I'm honestly curious about this statement, and what things you think would be "sticky".  First thing that comes to my mind would be OL not lined up on the LOS...or too many WR off the LOS.  But that may not be what you are referring to...

Would love to hear you elaborate👍

1A and 6A should be 32.  Divide 2A-4A up "evenly", handout the byes as you see fit.

My 2 cents😜

36 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

If you would say most coaches don't want to drive to 2 schools located on the south side, I would buy that.  But they already do it for FC.  With I-69 to be open late 2024, they will speed up things big time.  Can be at the HS school very quick off the 144 exit and the new access road connecting into Stones Crossing Rd.

Perhaps soon when Whiteland becomes 6A (and my guess eventually Franklin), that will lead to a new conference.  But its beyond unfortunate what CG is being forced to do in order to get a full schedule for football....and the additional impacts on the CG middle schools for football.  Funny how it doesn't seem to impact the other sports, that also play on week nights......

Perhaps if Coach West builds a top program at FC, the Flashes will find themselves looking for a new home......

I don't disagree with much anything you've said.  I'm just communicating what I hear from HCC perspective.

I also agree there will be change in conference alignment in the not so distant future, I've predicted before (and still feel this way)...I think we will see a realignment of MIC/HCC schools into a "North side" and a "South side" conference.  Particularly with the rise of schools like you have mentioned.

Only thing I would add is that the problems the MIC has went through aren't necessarily the HCC's to solve.  

My post above was specific to CG because that was the topic.  But I'll elaborate on Carmel, since I'm sure I've made these comments before elsewhere on this forum.  Caveat....I'm not a voting admin, and I'm also not saying the decision was right or wrong....but from discussions with several HCC coaches in a variety of sports....the reasons CG and Carmel were voted "no" were very differnet.  The short version....

Enough HCC schools didn't want a 5000+ school in their conference (espcially if it was already in their sectional).  You can guess for yourself which sports felt most strongly about this.

Enough HCC schools didn't want to drive almost all the way to Bargersville on week nights.  Again, it wasn't so long ago many of the HCC admin's decided Lafayette was too far and too often.

Personally I feel CG and Carmel would be great fits for the HCC in football.  But our contests are on Friday/Saturdays.  I don't feel its my place to tell coaches of the other sports with many weeknight contests, or in sports up against Carmel juggernaught teams, that they voted wrong.

Theoretically, if HCC went back to floating non-con weeks...most HCC schools that wanted to would be able to schedule one or maybe both of those teams in footbball right away.  

20 hours ago, Trojanmp52 said:

With their only being only 6 teams in the MIC, their are more open dates for them to schedule CG then the HHC with 8 teams.  In truth I was a little shocked to see Westfield, I believe they are one of the schools that voted no to let CG in the HHC.

 

I don't think football was the reason that most of these schools said "no" to CG....travel time in other sports with many weeknight events was the reason I heard more often.  Remember it wasn't too long ago that all of the big 3 Lafayette schools were in the HCC.  Travel time/cost was the reason they were given the boot.

I think most of the HCC schools would welcome the competition (and the gate money) from a CG regular season game.

Could we find more HCC teams than MIC teams on the regular season schedule for CG in a few years?

12 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

To bring it back to the original premise, a minimum size might make sense, but I also think a maximum size should be discussed.  Does Carmel educate students better than HSE/Fishers?  Should there be two HS in Clay township? 

 

I'll say two things....

One I don't see any way there would ever be a 2nd Carmel High School....it would be very difficult for them to find room to build it at this point, and I don't see the evidence that Carmel will continue to increase in student enrollment much more.  I also have never gotten the impression there is a desire in the community to build a second high school.

Two (and this is from my personal opinion on school "quality of life" ....not from an athletics/finance perspective).   I've come to  believe the "sweet spot" for high school size is right around 2,000 kids.  Or maybe a range of a few hundred over or under that.  A large enough school you have enough resources to offer a variety of quality programs to your students and community, but not so large that it becomes impossible to still participate in some of the traditional experiences of "high school life".  We used to joke about how many trophies you could win with the last 5 kids cut from Carmel's basketball team, or the 2nd best swimmers in every event for Carmel girls swimming, etc, etc.  When a school becomes massive...a lot more kids are locked out of those opportunities.  There are only so many spots on the teams....so many characters in the play....so many seats on the student council.  My 2 cents....likely worth as much.👍

On 1/25/2024 at 10:29 PM, vicvinegar said:

Where is Warren? Lawrence Central? Jeff? Elkhart? I mean Elkhart just consolidated... One would think they should be at the top of the list!!! 

 

Not arguing with your premise.....but Elkhart is a bad example.  The discussion is about school corporations.  Elkhart was always one corporation...in the 70s they split into two highschools.  They recently combinded Memorial and Central back into Elkhart High School (which had previously existed).

It would be similar to Fishers and HSE combining back into HSE (not that it would every happen in anyone's lifetime).

1 minute ago, slice60 said:

THREE points to stay up. (IHSAA should have stuck with 2pts)

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I feel bad for the programs that get bumped up at 6 points after back-to-back runner-up seasons. In my opinion, you should stay in enrollment class if you don't have a State Champion trophy in your trophy case.

My proposal would be this:

1pt = Sectional champion

2pts = Regional champion

3pts = Semistate champion

5pts = State champion

Change the bump-up number from 6pts to 7pts-- State+Regional (or better) would still be a bump-up but Semistate+Semistate would not.

No real disagreement....I'd just prefer the "cycle" to be longer...maybe 3-4 years, along with being a "rolling cycle".  I think that is the bigger issue....a longer, "rolling" cycle is a better metric, even beyond the point requirement (tweak those however you want).  I would also require a state title in that rolling cycle to trigger a bump up.

1 hour ago, foxbat said:

It takes time to get Chatard, Roncalli, Brebeuf, and Dwenger all in the same sectional and make it look random.

It would be smarter for IHSAA to spread them all out to different sectionals.  

How many points to stay up these days?????😜

9 hours ago, PDB26 said:

I hear there are maybe a couple of good teams down Indianapolis way, too. Crown Point might even have to face one of them in a state championship game if they ever happen to advance that far in the tournament.

This is a joke….right?

11 hours ago, WCHS Tiger Fan said:

the IHSAA is going to try and stop Recruiting from town to town in Sports

I beleive the issue at Goshen is actually recruiting your own kids to come out/or to not move elsewhere.

But to answer your question, not likely.  In the Indy metro area, kids are switching schools so often you'd think there is a transfer portal in high school sports.

This is a home game for CP, correct?

I don't see this being a thing....no differnet to CP than any of the other Northern IN teams that play teams from Chicago, Michican, or NW Ohio.

Now...do I see much merit in an Indiana team traveling several hours for a non-con game?  Not under any "normal" circumstances.  

2 hours ago, Coach Lou said:

I would think with 2000 kids at Goshen high School he would have some kids to target and encourage into playing.

Hopefully they give him more time than the last coach.

I agree with this.

Further, I would argue the issues with Goshen football have not been the "quality" of the last two coaches.  The recent issues with Goshen football run way deeper than their past two HC hires.  I'm hopeful that the hiring of Coach Heck is an indicator of a change at Goshen High School.  Because the big issue is that a lot of people, for right or wrong, just don't want their kids to go to Goshen High School anymore.  Especially when more desireable options are right nearby.

Coach Wogoman & Coach Park are both good football coaches.  Coach Wogoman had success at Wawasee, and put Northridge football on the map.  Coach Park was an excellent offensive coach for a long time at Zionsville, and those were very good Zionsville teams.

3 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

but back when I played, I swear it went Frosh game Thursday night, Varsity game Friday night, JV game Saturday morning against the same team. 

That's how I remember it in the Early/Mid 90's.  In the old days in Indy, it was Varsity Friday, and JV & Frosh played on Monday's.  I hated this as a coach, and glad is has changed for the most part.

In Indy metro (especially HCC), this has become the most common...

• Friday = Varsity
• Saturday AM = JV & Frosh (JV is opposite location as Varsity, Frosh is same location as Varsity). 
  • Extra bonus if both teams have enough common sense to just have JV kids wear the same color Uni's as varsity did the night before...you don't have to do an additional uniform handout Saturday AM.

I like having the entire "week" over on Saturday, the whole program is done with that opponent and ready to move on to next week's team by about noon on Saturday.  Only minus is having the ability for your higher perfroming frosh play two quareters with Varsity.  Back in the 90's a lot of NLC schools would let a few of the "better" frosh play one or two quarters on Saturday with the JV (since the Frosh had played Thursday).

1 hour ago, 00NWP said:

NorthWood had all three levels last year.  Out of curiosity...NorthWood allowed the freshmen team to practice with the upperclassmen throughout the playoffs if they chose to and travel with the team.  Do other schools do the same?  With NW going to State, that may be a once and a life time opportunity to be on a professional field.  Also, you can tell on NorthWood who the freshmen are by the lack of decals on their helmets. 

This is very common.  And keep in mind, because of IHSAA rules, even though they stay out for practice...they may not be able to dress for the games.  If you have a deep playoff run this can give your Frosh almost an extra half season of practice.

Somewhat off topic....but how many NLC teams fielded a true Freshman team last fall?

1 hour ago, CoachGallogly said:

The purpose of the success factor was to account to a degree to the differences beyond enrollment. Since it was implemented we’ve seen a greater variety of winners at the sectional level on up. And any complaints lodged have come from both public and private school supporters so I’d say it’s accomplished its mission. 

When different p/p's still monopolize their enrollment advantages Thanksgiving weekend (particulary 1A-3A) I'd strongly disagree.  The Yo-Yo factor of different p/p's taking advantage when another is SF'd up is, at best, and unforeseen, consequence of fixing the issue with ONLY the current SF system.

Trading one school with the p/p enrollment advantage for another is not (IMHO) the same as saying "mission accomplished".

I would remove ALL p/p's from 1A at a minimum.

From the outside looking in...this is an incredible hire for Goshen.  

2 hours ago, tango said:

No question those 3 were frequent flyers at their actual 4A enrollment levels. 

My reply was just to the statement that the p/p advantages evaporate at 4A enrollement.  25 years of games, 18 times included one of those three, 3 times it was two of them.

I agree that, thus far, only IC has been able to have sustained success beyond that.

1 hour ago, scarab527 said:

Not sure how this checks out when Cathedral, Roncalli, and Dwenger are some of the most successful programs in the state at these levels. 

A quick look at John Harrell.....These three OWNED 4A as soon as IC and RC moved up from 3A in the mid 90's

2 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

Indiana should be on CST. I don’t care what time it is in Cincinnatti, Louisville, or Owensboro. 

Agreed.  There is no logical way Indiana should be on the same time as Maine.  “God’s time” would actually be Central time.

If Bill Laimbeer was running for Governor of Indiana on the sole platform of moving us to Central time…he’d have my vote.🤣